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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: T-Bone</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/21/another-isolated-incident-24/comment-page-1/#comment-194305</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they at least remember to get a warrant? Love the use of the word &quot;isolated&quot;  Yahoo or Google search  &quot;Tony Creed task force raid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they at least remember to get a warrant? Love the use of the word &#8220;isolated&#8221;  Yahoo or Google search  &#8220;Tony Creed task force raid</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/21/another-isolated-incident-24/comment-page-1/#comment-193978</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry Gilliam saw this coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry Gilliam saw this coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/21/another-isolated-incident-24/comment-page-1/#comment-193941</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;#2 Then we need to start making it not fun. Treating them like the Gestapo/SS/Army of Occupation they are, for example. 50% casualties, 25% fatalities on any SWAT team who pulls this crap will turn the tide right quick.&quot;

That&#039;s an interesting idea, but are you willing to take 100% fatalities on your end in the bargain?  That would be non-negotiable -- see Waco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;#2 Then we need to start making it not fun. Treating them like the Gestapo/SS/Army of Occupation they are, for example. 50% casualties, 25% fatalities on any SWAT team who pulls this crap will turn the tide right quick.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting idea, but are you willing to take 100% fatalities on your end in the bargain?  That would be non-negotiable &#8212; see Waco.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister DNA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/21/another-isolated-incident-24/comment-page-1/#comment-193939</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister DNA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way, a question for Radley:

(I meant to ask this the other day in the open thread, but my internet connection was SNAFU)...

Radley,

Are you aware of any situations where local fire departments have busted down doors and hosed down the wrong house in one of those &quot;isolated incidents&quot; ?

It would be interesting to compare and contrast the reactions of a Fire Dep&#039;t that committed such an error. Would a review board buy &quot;Hey, just because we didn&#039;t see any smoke or fire doesn&#039;t mean that our firefighter&#039;s safety wasn&#039;t threatened. In these situations, it&#039;s our policy to ensure that the potential for a fire is eliminated before investigating the scene for an actual fire.&quot; as an excuse?

There are times when I almost wish a fire department would do this, so that it might illustrate how ridiculous these police raids are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, a question for Radley:</p>
<p>(I meant to ask this the other day in the open thread, but my internet connection was SNAFU)&#8230;</p>
<p>Radley,</p>
<p>Are you aware of any situations where local fire departments have busted down doors and hosed down the wrong house in one of those &#8220;isolated incidents&#8221; ?</p>
<p>It would be interesting to compare and contrast the reactions of a Fire Dep&#8217;t that committed such an error. Would a review board buy &#8220;Hey, just because we didn&#8217;t see any smoke or fire doesn&#8217;t mean that our firefighter&#8217;s safety wasn&#8217;t threatened. In these situations, it&#8217;s our policy to ensure that the potential for a fire is eliminated before investigating the scene for an actual fire.&#8221; as an excuse?</p>
<p>There are times when I almost wish a fire department would do this, so that it might illustrate how ridiculous these police raids are.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister DNA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/21/another-isolated-incident-24/comment-page-1/#comment-193936</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister DNA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, the solution is simple.

If you don&#039;t want a SWAT team destroying your home, don&#039;t have grandchildren who purchase stolen goods.

To be on the safe side, you should also have sense enough not to live next door to someone whose grandson might one day purchase a stolen cell phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, the solution is simple.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want a SWAT team destroying your home, don&#8217;t have grandchildren who purchase stolen goods.</p>
<p>To be on the safe side, you should also have sense enough not to live next door to someone whose grandson might one day purchase a stolen cell phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2  Then we need to start making it not fun.  Treating them like the Gestapo/SS/Army of Occupation they are, for example.  50% casualties, 25% fatalities on any SWAT team who pulls this crap will turn the tide right quick.

#3 Like that will do anything but add to the lies the cops already tell the judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2  Then we need to start making it not fun.  Treating them like the Gestapo/SS/Army of Occupation they are, for example.  50% casualties, 25% fatalities on any SWAT team who pulls this crap will turn the tide right quick.</p>
<p>#3 Like that will do anything but add to the lies the cops already tell the judge.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next on FOX: Good Hitting Police! 
Followed at 9 by Little Hitler!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next on FOX: Good Hitting Police!<br />
Followed at 9 by Little Hitler!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike T</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/21/another-isolated-incident-24/comment-page-1/#comment-193731</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
It’s not that SWAT tactics are always wrong. It’s that they’re frighteningly too often the first resort with the police departments that have them.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Any situation that requires a full-scale military assault should have actual soldiers leading the way. However, practically speaking, the incidents that actually call for militarized tactics and armaments are so rare that most jurisdictions would never need anything beyond help from the National Guard.</description>
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It’s not that SWAT tactics are always wrong. It’s that they’re frighteningly too often the first resort with the police departments that have them.
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<p>Any situation that requires a full-scale military assault should have actual soldiers leading the way. However, practically speaking, the incidents that actually call for militarized tactics and armaments are so rare that most jurisdictions would never need anything beyond help from the National Guard.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morally, SWAT tactics are always wrong.

Immorality reigns supreme in the United State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morally, SWAT tactics are always wrong.</p>
<p>Immorality reigns supreme in the United State.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahcuah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahcuah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so how do we go about getting state laws changed so that they require that the affidavits for the dynamic entry warrants specifically detail why they cannot just arrest the suspect on the street?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so how do we go about getting state laws changed so that they require that the affidavits for the dynamic entry warrants specifically detail why they cannot just arrest the suspect on the street?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, for the officers, it&#039;s soooooooo much Fuuuuuuuun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, for the officers, it&#8217;s soooooooo much Fuuuuuuuun.</p>
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		<title>By: Skip Oliva</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/21/another-isolated-incident-24/comment-page-1/#comment-193694</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip Oliva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s not that SWAT tactics are always wrong.&quot;

So when are they *right*?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s not that SWAT tactics are always wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>So when are they *right*?</p>
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