Comments on: 15 Y.O. Girl Arrested, Jailed for Nude Cell Phone Photos of Herself http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:12:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: John Jenkins http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-190800 John Jenkins Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:19:05 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-190800 Right Jim, but the justification for the exemption to the First Amendment for child porn is the harm to the child (the victim), See, e.g., the "virtual child porn" case from a few years ago (yes, I am too lazy to look it up). Applying the Supreme Court's logic to these facts, she would seem to be within the protected class and therefore not subject to punishment. Right Jim, but the justification for the exemption to the First Amendment for child porn is the harm to the child (the victim), See, e.g., the “virtual child porn” case from a few years ago (yes, I am too lazy to look it up).

Applying the Supreme Court’s logic to these facts, she would seem to be within the protected class and therefore not subject to punishment.

]]> By: Jim Collins http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189940 Jim Collins Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:57:22 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189940 John, The problem that she has is that she distributed the pictures. If she had just kept them to herself she would have been protected under the doctrine that you refer to. Once she distributed the pictures she took herself out of the protected class. They can't charge her for taking the pictures, but they can charge her for distributing them. John,
The problem that she has is that she distributed the pictures. If she had just kept them to herself she would have been protected under the doctrine that you refer to. Once she distributed the pictures she took herself out of the protected class. They can’t charge her for taking the pictures, but they can charge her for distributing them.

]]> By: John Jenkins http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189728 John Jenkins Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:48:53 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189728 I may have forgotten all of the common law crimes, but I DO remember a doctrine that said the person who was being charged with a crime could not be in the class of person the crime was intended to protect (that is, the victim). Since the defendant here is also the victim, I wonder whether the plea and conviction are even legal. Does anyone know whether Ohio has abolished all common law defenses? I may have forgotten all of the common law crimes, but I DO remember a doctrine that said the person who was being charged with a crime could not be in the class of person the crime was intended to protect (that is, the victim). Since the defendant here is also the victim, I wonder whether the plea and conviction are even legal. Does anyone know whether Ohio has abolished all common law defenses?

]]> By: D. Mason http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189629 D. Mason Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:55:41 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189629 I think if i were the girls guardians I would pull everything out of my retirement fund(whatever is left after the past 2 weeks) and use it to file suit against every officer of the state that was involved with this case. Sue them individually for the biggest numbers they can imagine. Write zeros until their hands hurt so that the numbers are so obscenely large that the press will play the story nationally just because of the sensational nature of the suits. Force it onto the national scene to expose these fucks for the fascists they are and sex-offender registries as the farce they always have been. I think if i were the girls guardians I would pull everything out of my retirement fund(whatever is left after the past 2 weeks) and use it to file suit against every officer of the state that was involved with this case. Sue them individually for the biggest numbers they can imagine. Write zeros until their hands hurt so that the numbers are so obscenely large that the press will play the story nationally just because of the sensational nature of the suits. Force it onto the national scene to expose these fucks for the fascists they are and sex-offender registries as the farce they always have been.

]]> By: Billy Beck http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189626 Billy Beck Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:51:58 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189626 <i>"What’s next, are we going to charge a suicide victim with murder 1 post-mortem?"</i> Well, they didn't <i>charge</i> Vince Foster, but they did <i>convict</i> him. “What’s next, are we going to charge a suicide victim with murder 1 post-mortem?”

Well, they didn’t charge Vince Foster, but they did convict him.

]]> By: Danny http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189622 Danny Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:48:28 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189622 Who else think it's time to start inciting violence at such situations? Teach them that they can't do this. Of course, you'd instantly be labeled a terrorist against the US and have all branches of military breathing down your neck, but wouldn't that almost be a point of pride at this point? Who else think it’s time to start inciting violence at such situations? Teach them that they can’t do this.

Of course, you’d instantly be labeled a terrorist against the US and have all branches of military breathing down your neck, but wouldn’t that almost be a point of pride at this point?

]]> By: Danny http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189619 Danny Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:46:35 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189619 <blockquote>#14 | adam s | October 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am she swears she was 18!!!1!!!</blockquote> LOL!

#14 | adam s | October 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am

she swears she was 18!!!1!!!

LOL!

]]> By: D. Mason http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189613 D. Mason Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:41:10 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189613 What the fuck is going on in this world. The most severe punishment that is merited here is that she lose her cell phone privileges for the rest of the school year. Obviously that should be handed out by her parents and not the brownshirts. No doubt she had a public defender. The cops who arrested her should be fired as well as the prosecutor and D.A, both of which should lose their licenses and the judge should be removed from the bench for even accepting the plea. What. The. Fuck. What the fuck is going on in this world. The most severe punishment that is merited here is that she lose her cell phone privileges for the rest of the school year. Obviously that should be handed out by her parents and not the brownshirts. No doubt she had a public defender.

The cops who arrested her should be fired as well as the prosecutor and D.A, both of which should lose their licenses and the judge should be removed from the bench for even accepting the plea. What. The. Fuck.

]]> By: freedomfan http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189604 freedomfan Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:52:14 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189604 This is another example of the madness of consensual crimes. If the alleged "victim" of an act agreed to the act, then it shouldn't be a crime. I understand nuances involved in consent from minors, but since she did this herself, it's hard to maintain she wasn't consenting. I might agree that a 15 year old who sends naughty pictures of herself around might have other issues to deal with, but it absolutely should not be illegal. Furthermore, it sounds like even just <em>having</em> the pictures, even if she didn't send them to anyone, is also a felony. I really don't really even care how explicit the pictures were; taking a picture of yourself is something the state should have absolutely zero power to regulate. And, I agree that her attorney wasn't doing her any favors by pleading this case. He should have had her up on the stand in a "JURY NULLIFICATION" T-shirt, reading the quotes from the assemblyman who wrote the law saying this was not what the law was intended to punish. If the prosecution objects, the defense should claim it's relevant to establish that the defendant had no criminal intent or knowledge that her act was even criminal, since the people who wrote the law didn't think it was, either. This whole thing sickens me and the fact that the prosecutor who went out of his way to ruin a young girl's life still walks around a free man is part of the nausea. He should be spit upon wherever he goes. This is another example of the madness of consensual crimes. If the alleged “victim” of an act agreed to the act, then it shouldn’t be a crime. I understand nuances involved in consent from minors, but since she did this herself, it’s hard to maintain she wasn’t consenting.

I might agree that a 15 year old who sends naughty pictures of herself around might have other issues to deal with, but it absolutely should not be illegal. Furthermore, it sounds like even just having the pictures, even if she didn’t send them to anyone, is also a felony. I really don’t really even care how explicit the pictures were; taking a picture of yourself is something the state should have absolutely zero power to regulate.

And, I agree that her attorney wasn’t doing her any favors by pleading this case. He should have had her up on the stand in a “JURY NULLIFICATION” T-shirt, reading the quotes from the assemblyman who wrote the law saying this was not what the law was intended to punish. If the prosecution objects, the defense should claim it’s relevant to establish that the defendant had no criminal intent or knowledge that her act was even criminal, since the people who wrote the law didn’t think it was, either.

This whole thing sickens me and the fact that the prosecutor who went out of his way to ruin a young girl’s life still walks around a free man is part of the nausea. He should be spit upon wherever he goes.

]]> By: Jim Collins http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189602 Jim Collins Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:46:26 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189602 "I wonder how many lawmakers today may have done this same thing back in the 60’s?" In the 60's? Hell, I know one Mayor who did it in the 80's. I know because I was doing the same thing in one of the other windows of the Basketball Coach's station wagon. "Pilot to bombadier. Target sighted. Do you want to press or hang?". Bombadier to Pilot. Hang!". Then the backwindow of the station wagon slid slowly down.................. “I wonder how many lawmakers today may have done this same thing back in the 60’s?”

In the 60′s? Hell, I know one Mayor who did it in the 80′s. I know because I was doing the same thing in one of the other windows of the Basketball Coach’s station wagon.

“Pilot to bombadier. Target sighted. Do you want to press or hang?”. Bombadier to Pilot. Hang!”. Then the backwindow of the station wagon slid slowly down………………

]]> By: Chris http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189586 Chris Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:57:18 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189586 In my hometown, a young student was caught "streaking" after he wasn't able to make his getaway. (He did it during a football game, which in my opinion was quite funny.) They are talking possible sex offender registration. http://www.fergusfallsjournal.com/news/2008/oct/06/streak-all-talk-otters-go-6-0/ I wonder how many lawmakers today may have done this same thing back in the 60's? In my hometown, a young student was caught “streaking” after he wasn’t able to make his getaway. (He did it during a football game, which in my opinion was quite funny.)

They are talking possible sex offender registration.

http://www.fergusfallsjournal.com/news/2008/oct/06/streak-all-talk-otters-go-6-0/

I wonder how many lawmakers today may have done this same thing back in the 60′s?

]]> By: Cynical In CA http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189578 Cynical In CA Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:20:56 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189578 "she could have walked topless down a public street" +1 for women walking down streets topless. “she could have walked topless down a public street”

+1 for women walking down streets topless.

]]> By: Brandon Bowers http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189567 Brandon Bowers Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:53:38 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189567 Ah, the inevitable results of being ruled by hysteria and sensationalism. The article pretty much glosses over the fact that by making this girl register as a sex offender, they are basically ruining the girl's life on a technicality. Ah, the inevitable results of being ruled by hysteria and sensationalism. The article pretty much glosses over the fact that by making this girl register as a sex offender, they are basically ruining the girl’s life on a technicality.

]]> By: ktc2 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189560 ktc2 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:49:24 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189560 These persecutions have been happening a lot lately. It really is a fucked up situation. It is necessary to the system though to preserve the myth that anyone under 18 who does anything sexual or even non sexual (if somebody else might think it's sexual) is being exploited against their will. Teenagers are not children. Get over it. These persecutions have been happening a lot lately. It really is a fucked up situation.

It is necessary to the system though to preserve the myth that anyone under 18 who does anything sexual or even non sexual (if somebody else might think it’s sexual) is being exploited against their will.

Teenagers are not children. Get over it.

]]> By: Ahcuah http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189507 Ahcuah Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:39:25 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189507 Oops, I need to correct a typo: In Ohio, topless for women is <b><i>legal</i></b>, so she could have walked topless down a public street, but anybody taking a picture of her would (without the limiting construction) be a sex criminal. Oops, I need to correct a typo:

In Ohio, topless for women is legal, so she could have walked topless down a public street, but anybody taking a picture of her would (without the limiting construction) be a sex criminal.

]]> By: Jim Collins http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189502 Jim Collins Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:19:41 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189502 What if I told the girl that I'd buy the pictures that she took of herself? What we have here is one of the great "Catch-22s" of our legal system. The law considers a person under the age of 18 incapable of making descisions concerning their own well being. This is why we USED to have a juvinile justice system. Now a person under the age of 18 is still incapable of making these types of descisions, but can be held LEGALLY responsible for those descisions. This is the same BS that brings you the 21 drinking age, but allows 16 year olds to be charged with DUI. What if I told the girl that I’d buy the pictures that she took of herself?

What we have here is one of the great “Catch-22s” of our legal system.
The law considers a person under the age of 18 incapable of making descisions concerning their own well being. This is why we USED to have a juvinile justice system. Now a person under the age of 18 is still incapable of making these types of descisions, but can be held LEGALLY responsible for those descisions.

This is the same BS that brings you the 21 drinking age, but allows 16 year olds to be charged with DUI.

]]> By: adam s http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189501 adam s Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:18:17 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189501 she swears she was 18!!!1!!! she swears she was 18!!!1!!!

]]> By: Cynical In CA http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189500 Cynical In CA Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:13:56 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189500 My fellow slaves, the State owns you. " ... Any use, rebroadcast or retransmission of the pictures, descriptions, or accounts of your person without the express written permission of the State is strictly prohibited." Poor girl. Some people can go a lifetime without having their myth of self-ownership blasted to pieces. My fellow slaves, the State owns you.

” … Any use, rebroadcast or retransmission of the pictures, descriptions, or accounts of your person without the express written permission of the State is strictly prohibited.”

Poor girl. Some people can go a lifetime without having their myth of self-ownership blasted to pieces.

]]> By: Chris in AL http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189499 Chris in AL Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:12:44 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189499 LOL, should have proof read that first sentence. No more morning benders for me, lol. Ahcuah That is an interesting point about Ohio. The idea that a you can have a legal activity, but a photo of that legal activity is somehow illegal is moronic on a huge scale. Similar to the prostitution laws. The idea that it is illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away for free is also idiotic. LOL, should have proof read that first sentence. No more morning benders for me, lol.

Ahcuah

That is an interesting point about Ohio. The idea that a you can have a legal activity, but a photo of that legal activity is somehow illegal is moronic on a huge scale.

Similar to the prostitution laws. The idea that it is illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away for free is also idiotic.

]]> By: Ben http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/10/15-yo-girl-arrested-jailed-for-nude-cell-phone-photos-of-herself/comment-page-1/#comment-189497 Ben Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:10:38 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10784#comment-189497 Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a shit about the rules? THINK OF THE CHILDREN! Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a shit about the rules? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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