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	<title>Comments on: Morning Links</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: freedomfan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/08/morning-links-92/comment-page-1/#comment-189062</link>
		<dc:creator>freedomfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this sort of bad &quot;logic&quot; annoys me, a quick comment on &lt;a href=&quot;http://culture11.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2008/10/06/all-politics-is-tribal/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the piece on tribal politics&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;A man cannot be loyal to an idea. Loyalty is for people and institutions.  Consider the difference between being loyal to Abraham Lincoln and being loyal to &quot;the things for which [he] stood.&quot; One means you’re on his team, the other means you’re on his team only as long as you agree with him, in which case it isn’t loyalty at all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That is just nonsense. He is claiming to consider the difference between loyalty to a person and loyalty to an ideal, but then evaluates the loyalty to the ideal as if it were loyalty to the person associated with the ideal and concludes it&#039;s no good. That sort of fallacious logic makes me want to send the author &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Against-Logic-Politicians-Journalists/dp/0071446435/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a book&lt;/a&gt;.

There is really too much other questionable reasoning in that article to step through, but I want to touch on one other point it mentions. The author agrees with a quote from his friend that &quot;To me, the movement matters. Are you in or are you out?&quot; I won&#039;t pretend that the statement is 100% clear to me, but we often hear complaints whose underlying sentiment is that people aren&#039;t going far enough in sacrificing themselves or their ideals to advance this or that movement. I just want to say that &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;movements&lt;/em&gt; exist to help &lt;em&gt;people&lt;/em&gt;, not the other way around&lt;/strong&gt;. If a given &quot;movement&quot; isn&#039;t advancing the ideal you support, then to hell with that movement. And (with reference to political tribal loyalty), by &quot;movement&quot; I mean &quot;party&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this sort of bad &#8220;logic&#8221; annoys me, a quick comment on <a href="http://culture11.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2008/10/06/all-politics-is-tribal/" rel="nofollow">the piece on tribal politics</a>:<br />
<blockquote>A man cannot be loyal to an idea. Loyalty is for people and institutions.  Consider the difference between being loyal to Abraham Lincoln and being loyal to &#8220;the things for which [he] stood.&#8221; One means you’re on his team, the other means you’re on his team only as long as you agree with him, in which case it isn’t loyalty at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is just nonsense. He is claiming to consider the difference between loyalty to a person and loyalty to an ideal, but then evaluates the loyalty to the ideal as if it were loyalty to the person associated with the ideal and concludes it&#8217;s no good. That sort of fallacious logic makes me want to send the author <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0071446435/associatizer-99/" rel="nofollow">a book</a>.</p>
<p>There is really too much other questionable reasoning in that article to step through, but I want to touch on one other point it mentions. The author agrees with a quote from his friend that &#8220;To me, the movement matters. Are you in or are you out?&#8221; I won&#8217;t pretend that the statement is 100% clear to me, but we often hear complaints whose underlying sentiment is that people aren&#8217;t going far enough in sacrificing themselves or their ideals to advance this or that movement. I just want to say that <strong><em>movements</em> exist to help <em>people</em>, not the other way around</strong>. If a given &#8220;movement&#8221; isn&#8217;t advancing the ideal you support, then to hell with that movement. And (with reference to political tribal loyalty), by &#8220;movement&#8221; I mean &#8220;party&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kwix</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/08/morning-links-92/comment-page-1/#comment-188908</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dubai planning another behemoth, world’s-tallest skyscraper.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Coincidentally, they are already building (and have almost finished) the world&#039;s-tallest skyscraper.

I present the Burj Dubai:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Dubai</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dubai planning another behemoth, world’s-tallest skyscraper.</p></blockquote>
<p>Coincidentally, they are already building (and have almost finished) the world&#8217;s-tallest skyscraper.</p>
<p>I present the Burj Dubai:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Dubai" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Dubai</a></p>
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		<title>By: Danno49</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/08/morning-links-92/comment-page-1/#comment-188788</link>
		<dc:creator>Danno49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what if you drink heavily during the day like Honeyko?

I keed, I keed.

:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what if you drink heavily during the day like Honeyko?</p>
<p>I keed, I keed.</p>
<p>:D</p>
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		<title>By: The Confabulum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Death to Polyamory!</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/08/morning-links-92/comment-page-1/#comment-188783</link>
		<dc:creator>The Confabulum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Death to Polyamory!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thru Radley Balko. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thru Radley Balko. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/08/morning-links-92/comment-page-1/#comment-188782</link>
		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need &quot;Forums Goggles.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need &#8220;Forums Goggles.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Episiarch</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/08/morning-links-92/comment-page-1/#comment-188771</link>
		<dc:creator>Episiarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mail Goggles is fucking brilliant.  I could have used that a few times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mail Goggles is fucking brilliant.  I could have used that a few times.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Paine's Goiter</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/08/morning-links-92/comment-page-1/#comment-188762</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Paine's Goiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just politics that is tribal - all aspects of life for the average person are tribal.  It&#039;s part of human life - a part of human life that may have been necessary when survival of the tribe meant survival of you and your progeny.  However, in the civilized world tribalism is just a way for the average person to feel important and it&#039;s sickening.

I started bitching about tribal politics during the Bore/Douche elections and the more I looked around, the more I realized that the average dolt has nothing else but feeling that his team or his town or his party or his whatever is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just politics that is tribal &#8211; all aspects of life for the average person are tribal.  It&#8217;s part of human life &#8211; a part of human life that may have been necessary when survival of the tribe meant survival of you and your progeny.  However, in the civilized world tribalism is just a way for the average person to feel important and it&#8217;s sickening.</p>
<p>I started bitching about tribal politics during the Bore/Douche elections and the more I looked around, the more I realized that the average dolt has nothing else but feeling that his team or his town or his party or his whatever is better.</p>
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