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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Honeyko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184899</link>
		<dc:creator>Honeyko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Congress goes over the recent years, you can see who the good guys and the bads guys were &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=9376&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;right here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Congress goes over the recent years, you can see who the good guys and the bads guys were <b><a href="http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=9376" rel="nofollow">right here</a></b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184837</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Honeyko.

And re-read Denninger.  According to the text of the bill, $700bn is just a limit on how much bad debt can be purchased by the Treasury at any one time.  After clearing the books of the initial $700bn, the Treasurer can continue the scam until all $5tn plus is cleared.

The $700 billion figure is meaningless, a smokescreen, a magician&#039;s trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Honeyko.</p>
<p>And re-read Denninger.  According to the text of the bill, $700bn is just a limit on how much bad debt can be purchased by the Treasury at any one time.  After clearing the books of the initial $700bn, the Treasurer can continue the scam until all $5tn plus is cleared.</p>
<p>The $700 billion figure is meaningless, a smokescreen, a magician&#8217;s trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Honeyko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184638</link>
		<dc:creator>Honeyko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is that
&gt; Republicans seem to think bigger.

I sincerely doubt that a guy like Paulson has a partisan bone in his body.

&gt; Is it a given that Paulson himself or some equivalent won’t be
&gt; Treasury Fuhrer in January, especially if McCain is enthroned?

Paulson is not stupid; he *has* to know that his bill will wreck the credit rating of the country, cause foreign bond holders to stampede for the exits, hyperinflate the currency, and turn a moderate recession into a for-real capital-&quot;D&quot;epression lasting for years. If him and his Goldman cronies get their $700 billion, I can&#039;t imagine him even living here come Easter. No; he&#039;ll be retired to tropical paradises far, far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is that<br />
&gt; Republicans seem to think bigger.</p>
<p>I sincerely doubt that a guy like Paulson has a partisan bone in his body.</p>
<p>&gt; Is it a given that Paulson himself or some equivalent won’t be<br />
&gt; Treasury Fuhrer in January, especially if McCain is enthroned?</p>
<p>Paulson is not stupid; he *has* to know that his bill will wreck the credit rating of the country, cause foreign bond holders to stampede for the exits, hyperinflate the currency, and turn a moderate recession into a for-real capital-&#8221;D&#8221;epression lasting for years. If him and his Goldman cronies get their $700 billion, I can&#8217;t imagine him even living here come Easter. No; he&#8217;ll be retired to tropical paradises far, far away.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184606</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Paulson and his cronies intend to loot the ever-livin’ bejeezus out of as much swag as they can, then skip town.&quot;

Reminds me of when the Clinton Administration left office and took all the furniture and silverware with them.  Oh, and I&#039;m sure they pocketed a pretty penny in the Marc Rich pardon among others.

The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Republicans seem to think bigger.

Is it a given that Paulson himself or some equivalent won&#039;t be Treasury Fuhrer in January, especially if McCain is enthroned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Paulson and his cronies intend to loot the ever-livin’ bejeezus out of as much swag as they can, then skip town.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reminds me of when the Clinton Administration left office and took all the furniture and silverware with them.  Oh, and I&#8217;m sure they pocketed a pretty penny in the Marc Rich pardon among others.</p>
<p>The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Republicans seem to think bigger.</p>
<p>Is it a given that Paulson himself or some equivalent won&#8217;t be Treasury Fuhrer in January, especially if McCain is enthroned?</p>
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		<title>By: Honeyko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184598</link>
		<dc:creator>Honeyko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum: Paulson &amp; Bush will all be out of power in four months.

This is not about &quot;power&quot;; it&#039;s about highway-robbery -- Paulson and his cronies intend to loot the ever-livin&#039; bejeezus out of as much swag as they can, then skip town. I&#039;m sure that, as far as they&#039;re concerned, leaving Bush to take all the heat is fine with them. After all, if the *Democrats* in the Congressional committees approve it, they&#039;re not going to turn around and spank themselves over it later. No, it&#039;ll just be all Bush&#039;s fault, and STFU and pay your higher taxes we just passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum: Paulson &amp; Bush will all be out of power in four months.</p>
<p>This is not about &#8220;power&#8221;; it&#8217;s about highway-robbery &#8212; Paulson and his cronies intend to loot the ever-livin&#8217; bejeezus out of as much swag as they can, then skip town. I&#8217;m sure that, as far as they&#8217;re concerned, leaving Bush to take all the heat is fine with them. After all, if the *Democrats* in the Congressional committees approve it, they&#8217;re not going to turn around and spank themselves over it later. No, it&#8217;ll just be all Bush&#8217;s fault, and STFU and pay your higher taxes we just passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Honeyko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184597</link>
		<dc:creator>Honeyko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...Finally, we learned today that The White House was planning this little piece of financial dictatorship for quite some time...&quot;

1) It&#039;s disappointing that the about the only way to get the left to pay attention to the financial swindle of the century is to appeal to their Bush Derangement Syndrome.

2) &quot;The White House&quot; in misnomer: i.e., Bush probably knew very little about this, and if he did, wouldn&#039;t have understood any of the arcane gobbledegook anyway. Not many people on all of Capitol Hill do, and it&#039;s being done right in their face, with their approval being desired to have it enacted!

-- This is all a Paulson/Treasury/Fed/Goldman-Sachs plunder-run. That Paulson&#039;s Treasury under Bush instead of Clinton or Obama or McCain is happenstance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Finally, we learned today that The White House was planning this little piece of financial dictatorship for quite some time&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>1) It&#8217;s disappointing that the about the only way to get the left to pay attention to the financial swindle of the century is to appeal to their Bush Derangement Syndrome.</p>
<p>2) &#8220;The White House&#8221; in misnomer: i.e., Bush probably knew very little about this, and if he did, wouldn&#8217;t have understood any of the arcane gobbledegook anyway. Not many people on all of Capitol Hill do, and it&#8217;s being done right in their face, with their approval being desired to have it enacted!</p>
<p>&#8211; This is all a Paulson/Treasury/Fed/Goldman-Sachs plunder-run. That Paulson&#8217;s Treasury under Bush instead of Clinton or Obama or McCain is happenstance.</p>
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		<title>By: wunder</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184587</link>
		<dc:creator>wunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me preface this by saying that I am NOT defending the administration if in fact, they&#039;ve had this prepared for weeks/months.  The fear tactics, as usual, are a dispicable way to get things done and seem to be their favorite way to make things happen.  
However, pretending that Congress would have done a damn thing about this before it hit crisis level is making a huge assumption.  This collapse has not been a surprise to anyone who&#039;s been paying attention for the last five+ years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me preface this by saying that I am NOT defending the administration if in fact, they&#8217;ve had this prepared for weeks/months.  The fear tactics, as usual, are a dispicable way to get things done and seem to be their favorite way to make things happen.<br />
However, pretending that Congress would have done a damn thing about this before it hit crisis level is making a huge assumption.  This collapse has not been a surprise to anyone who&#8217;s been paying attention for the last five+ years.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184565</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last link from Honeyko makes the most interesting point I&#039;ve seen so far in the final few paragrahs:

~~

Finally, we learned today that The White House was planning this little piece of financial dictatorship for quite some time:

&quot;Fratto insisted that the plan was not slapped together and had been drawn up as a contingency over previous months and weeks by administration officials. He acknowledged lawmakers were getting only days to peruse it, but he said this should be enough.&quot;

What a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.

If this was being prepared for &quot;some time&quot; then the &quot;emergency&quot; status was manufactured.  Instead of bringing this before Congress &quot;months and weeks&quot; ago for consideration where it could be debated and passed, ready if necessary, The White House and Treasury instead back-pocketed their plan and then sprung it on Congress with an outrageous and ill-advised &quot;bump in the night, Freddy Kreuger style&quot; scare campaign at the last possible minute in an attempt to give Treasury dictatorial power over our entire financial system.

~~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last link from Honeyko makes the most interesting point I&#8217;ve seen so far in the final few paragrahs:</p>
<p>~~</p>
<p>Finally, we learned today that The White House was planning this little piece of financial dictatorship for quite some time:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fratto insisted that the plan was not slapped together and had been drawn up as a contingency over previous months and weeks by administration officials. He acknowledged lawmakers were getting only days to peruse it, but he said this should be enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.</p>
<p>If this was being prepared for &#8220;some time&#8221; then the &#8220;emergency&#8221; status was manufactured.  Instead of bringing this before Congress &#8220;months and weeks&#8221; ago for consideration where it could be debated and passed, ready if necessary, The White House and Treasury instead back-pocketed their plan and then sprung it on Congress with an outrageous and ill-advised &#8220;bump in the night, Freddy Kreuger style&#8221; scare campaign at the last possible minute in an attempt to give Treasury dictatorial power over our entire financial system.</p>
<p>~~</p>
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		<title>By: Honeyko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184558</link>
		<dc:creator>Honeyko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Biden makes Quayle look like Einstein.

2. The stick-figure ends before the housing-collapse and stock-market crash. To pick up where it left off, &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://market-ticker.denninger.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;go here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, click Sept.14 on the calender, and read from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Biden makes Quayle look like Einstein.</p>
<p>2. The stick-figure ends before the housing-collapse and stock-market crash. To pick up where it left off, <b><a href="http://market-ticker.denninger.net/" rel="nofollow">go here</a></b>, click Sept.14 on the calender, and read from there.</p>
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		<title>By: xyz123</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184547</link>
		<dc:creator>xyz123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how &#039;bout now? can we point out that biden is profoundly, droolingly, quayle-ish stupid *now*?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how &#8217;bout now? can we point out that biden is profoundly, droolingly, quayle-ish stupid *now*?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184546</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;How to turn a few pit-stained frat party t-shirts...&quot; link has some definitely NOT safe for work sidebar stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;How to turn a few pit-stained frat party t-shirts&#8230;&#8221; link has some definitely NOT safe for work sidebar stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184534</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weird part about that is that Comcast doesn&#039;t really extend people credit.  Don&#039;t pay your bill, they shut off your service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weird part about that is that Comcast doesn&#8217;t really extend people credit.  Don&#8217;t pay your bill, they shut off your service.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Comcast wants your SSN for is to make it easier for them to do a credit check on you.  Their Customer Service people are told to use the Patriot Act bit to make you comply.  I&#039;m really surprised that no one has thought to sue these companies over their requesting SSNs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Comcast wants your SSN for is to make it easier for them to do a credit check on you.  Their Customer Service people are told to use the Patriot Act bit to make you comply.  I&#8217;m really surprised that no one has thought to sue these companies over their requesting SSNs.</p>
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		<title>By: old</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184517</link>
		<dc:creator>old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I read on the &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;internet&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; last night that perhaps this $700 billion revolving line of credit is just a cash grab by the, for lack of a better word, oligarchs.  Bush will be leaving office soon, and those fellows know that the shit storm they sowed they shall reap, so why not cash in now with at least $700 billion dollars administered by your old pal Paulson.

Hell, I am a pragmatist and I hate that I might have to invest in some tin foil hats.  I am a pragmatist, I keep telling myself.  In the turtle and hare fable, I identify with the turtle, in the ant and grasshopper fable I identify with the ant.  I am not alone.

As the ancient Chinese philosopher said; &#039;May you live in interesting times.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I read on the <i><b>internet</b></i> last night that perhaps this $700 billion revolving line of credit is just a cash grab by the, for lack of a better word, oligarchs.  Bush will be leaving office soon, and those fellows know that the shit storm they sowed they shall reap, so why not cash in now with at least $700 billion dollars administered by your old pal Paulson.</p>
<p>Hell, I am a pragmatist and I hate that I might have to invest in some tin foil hats.  I am a pragmatist, I keep telling myself.  In the turtle and hare fable, I identify with the turtle, in the ant and grasshopper fable I identify with the ant.  I am not alone.</p>
<p>As the ancient Chinese philosopher said; &#8216;May you live in interesting times.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the stick figure accountants:

&quot;Blow Me&quot;

Priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the stick figure accountants:</p>
<p>&#8220;Blow Me&#8221;</p>
<p>Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Franco</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184504</link>
		<dc:creator>Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Z, keep making that point - THE FED IS GOING TO OVERPAY FOR THE ASSETS.  Bernanke said so in his testimony before the Senate Finance Committee yesterday.  Be sure to tell everyone you know that the Fed is willing to pay par value for the assets, not what the assets were written down to.  The banks are going to post huge gains if they sell these securities to the government at these prices.  The tax payers are going to be left holding the bag.  This is not like the AIG loan.  AIG is a solid company and has real value.  The taxpayers will probably make out like bandits on the AIG loan.  This mortgage security bailout is an abomination and the taxpayers will be left holding the bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Z, keep making that point &#8211; THE FED IS GOING TO OVERPAY FOR THE ASSETS.  Bernanke said so in his testimony before the Senate Finance Committee yesterday.  Be sure to tell everyone you know that the Fed is willing to pay par value for the assets, not what the assets were written down to.  The banks are going to post huge gains if they sell these securities to the government at these prices.  The tax payers are going to be left holding the bag.  This is not like the AIG loan.  AIG is a solid company and has real value.  The taxpayers will probably make out like bandits on the AIG loan.  This mortgage security bailout is an abomination and the taxpayers will be left holding the bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical In CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184501</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical In CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Biden.  Dumb as a brick.  Breathtaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Biden.  Dumb as a brick.  Breathtaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184498</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Financial Blog I found.

Found it wading thru the comments at Balloon Juice (and it&#039;s name has a nice ring to it).

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Financial Blog I found.</p>
<p>Found it wading thru the comments at Balloon Juice (and it&#8217;s name has a nice ring to it).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wunder</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184495</link>
		<dc:creator>wunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny, that stick figure deck has been going around for at least a year now.  i actually just sent it to my company&#039;s CFO on Monday because I thought he&#039;d get a kick out of it.  yep, i&#039;ve saved it for more than a year because it&#039;s relevance has only grown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny, that stick figure deck has been going around for at least a year now.  i actually just sent it to my company&#8217;s CFO on Monday because I thought he&#8217;d get a kick out of it.  yep, i&#8217;ve saved it for more than a year because it&#8217;s relevance has only grown.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/morning-links-86/comment-page-1/#comment-184492</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link to the stick figure mortgage crisis explanation.  Up until I read through that, I didn&#039;t have a clue about the mechanics of this whole mess.  The mainstream media should actually publish something like that, because (I could be wrong on this) there might be others out there besides me who don&#039;t understand this financial crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to the stick figure mortgage crisis explanation.  Up until I read through that, I didn&#8217;t have a clue about the mechanics of this whole mess.  The mainstream media should actually publish something like that, because (I could be wrong on this) there might be others out there besides me who don&#8217;t understand this financial crisis.</p>
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