Comments on: More on the Ryan Frederick Case http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:41:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Police are more dangerous to six-year-olds than mob bosses… | Hey Aaron! http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-397161 Police are more dangerous to six-year-olds than mob bosses… | Hey Aaron! Fri, 21 May 2010 02:42:09 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-397161 [...] ‘blindly’ firing through a door at unknown intruders (who turned out to be cops) got Ryan Frederick in hot water.  But apparently it’s ok when cops fire blindly into a house killing a 7 year [...] [...] ‘blindly’ firing through a door at unknown intruders (who turned out to be cops) got Ryan Frederick in hot water.  But apparently it’s ok when cops fire blindly into a house killing a 7 year [...]

]]> By: The Agitator » Blog Archive » Ryan Frederick Update http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-189852 The Agitator » Blog Archive » Ryan Frederick Update Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:03:51 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-189852 [...] few people, like commenter FreedomFan, expressed concern about this comment from Frederick’s attorney James Broccoletti about the [...] [...] few people, like commenter FreedomFan, expressed concern about this comment from Frederick’s attorney James Broccoletti about the [...]

]]> By: Keith http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-185385 Keith Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:14:46 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-185385 Three more data points become relevant here: 1) There was a raid across the street from Frederick's house a couple months previously and it really was occuppied by those dealing hard drugs...police likely thought Frederick filled the void in the neighborhood and that little verification was needed. 2) Frederick said in an earlier interview that he told the officer arresting him that "people broke into my house a few days ago." Frederick said the officer replied, "yeah, we know all about that." Frederick's account of things is bolstered by the emerging facts. 3) I thought it was odd that if the police had found all the marijuana they claimed was growing in Frederick's garage, why didn't they allow news media access to the garage the night of the arrest? This never happened and media were never escorted into the house or garage. Oddly enough, about ten days after the incident at Frederick's house, another incident made lots of headlines. A thief broke into a trailer in neighboring Portsmouth VA. The incident made the news due to its oddity. It seems the would-be admitted thief felt bad about all the massive hydroponics marijuana growing operation he had uncovered and went to the police with the information. The thief even did interviews with local TV outlets. Media were brought in to see the massive grow operation inside the house-trailer. The walls wer lined with insulation and a sprinkler system strung up along the roof. The trailer was covered wall to wall in potted marijuana plants all standing about 3-4 feet in height. There were no follow-on stories as to whether or not police pressed charges against the thief-turned-informant. Chesapeake and Portsmouth are adjacent to each other. The identity of the thief-informant in both cases is relevant for obvious reasons...could it be that after the raid at Frederick's house went so badly with such little marijuana present that the informant against Frederick had to come up with something really big really fast to save his butt? Maybe the thief-informant used similar tactics to "help" police in both raids. Three more data points become relevant here:
1) There was a raid across the street from Frederick’s house a couple months previously and it really was occuppied by those dealing hard drugs…police likely thought Frederick filled the void in the neighborhood and that little verification was needed.
2) Frederick said in an earlier interview that he told the officer arresting him that “people broke into my house a few days ago.” Frederick said the officer replied, “yeah, we know all about that.” Frederick’s account of things is bolstered by the emerging facts.
3) I thought it was odd that if the police had found all the marijuana they claimed was growing in Frederick’s garage, why didn’t they allow news media access to the garage the night of the arrest? This never happened and media were never escorted into the house or garage. Oddly enough, about ten days after the incident at Frederick’s house, another incident made lots of headlines. A thief broke into a trailer in neighboring Portsmouth VA. The incident made the news due to its oddity. It seems the would-be admitted thief felt bad about all the massive hydroponics marijuana growing operation he had uncovered and went to the police with the information. The thief even did interviews with local TV outlets. Media were brought in to see the massive grow operation inside the house-trailer. The walls wer lined with insulation and a sprinkler system strung up along the roof. The trailer was covered wall to wall in potted marijuana plants all standing about 3-4 feet in height. There were no follow-on stories as to whether or not police pressed charges against the thief-turned-informant. Chesapeake and Portsmouth are adjacent to each other. The identity of the thief-informant in both cases is relevant for obvious reasons…could it be that after the raid at Frederick’s house went so badly with such little marijuana present that the informant against Frederick had to come up with something really big really fast to save his butt? Maybe the thief-informant used similar tactics to “help” police in both raids.

]]> By: mikef http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-185066 mikef Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:13:14 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-185066 Something is seriously out of whack here. These people seem to have totally forgotten that WE have hired them to protect us, not to threaten and abuse us. Maybe it's time we made other arrangements. Something is seriously out of whack here. These people seem to have totally forgotten that WE have hired them to protect us, not to threaten and abuse us. Maybe it’s time we made other arrangements.

]]> By: The Johnny Appleseed Of Crack http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-184655 The Johnny Appleseed Of Crack Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:43:36 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-184655 freedomfan, That is a good point. However, since the defense has not made any admissions about growing marijuana up to this point, and even the prosecution has not claimed that they have any hard evidence of marijuana plants, I'm guessing that it is a misquote in the article. freedomfan,
That is a good point. However, since the defense has not made any admissions about growing marijuana up to this point, and even the prosecution has not claimed that they have any hard evidence of marijuana plants, I’m guessing that it is a misquote in the article.

]]> By: Lee http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-184647 Lee Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:04:34 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-184647 Silence is consent. You don't say silent on abuses just to get your 30 pieces of silver. Abuses are also done by prosecutors and judges, and cops have first hand knowledge of these things because they deal with "the system". Silence is consent. You don’t say silent on abuses just to get your 30 pieces of silver. Abuses are also done by prosecutors and judges, and cops have first hand knowledge of these things because they deal with “the system”.

]]> By: freedomfan http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-184636 freedomfan Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:37:39 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-184636 I am very glad that the prosecutor screwed this up so badly. If that evidence is excluded, Frederick stands a far lower chance of a wrongful conviction. I am nervous though about <a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2008/09/fredericks-lawyer-wants-evidence-found-search-thrown-out" rel="nofollow">Frederick's attorney saying<a><blockquote>In reality, the informer did not 'observe’ marijuana plants, he stole them.</blockquote>That could turn this case in many people's heads. If they take that as an admission that Frederick had a sizable growing operation, then they may well conclude that he was more than a casual user with a joint in his house. The prosecution (probably with media help) would spin this as "This drug-dealing cop killer got off on a technicality!" Even as a lie, it undercuts the public value of a case like this. Though it makes no difference to me, a lot of people would buy it because there is a different attitude about people who smoke and people who sell. Many are willing to look the other way if they think the victim of police misbehavior is himself a bad guy. ... BTW, my instinct is to distrust people in authority and I am furious at the police (and prosecutor) in this case and in most of the cases we see at this site. But, I don't think that all cops are bad guys or that they all approve of tactics used in drug raids. Not speaking out against wrongdoing is a failure of courage (and criminal, when one hides specific knowledge of abuse), but that doesn't mean there is no such thing as silent <em>dis</em>approval, either. I think police are right up there with politicians as the most privileged people in society; they are able to bend the rules, get access, demand favors, etc. They should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest. And I wish every one of them would scream and shout about cases like this. But I don't think that they are <em>all</em> evil because they don't. I am very glad that the prosecutor screwed this up so badly. If that evidence is excluded, Frederick stands a far lower chance of a wrongful conviction.

I am nervous though about Frederick’s attorney saying

In reality, the informer did not ‘observe’ marijuana plants, he stole them.

That could turn this case in many people’s heads. If they take that as an admission that Frederick had a sizable growing operation, then they may well conclude that he was more than a casual user with a joint in his house. The prosecution (probably with media help) would spin this as “This drug-dealing cop killer got off on a technicality!” Even as a lie, it undercuts the public value of a case like this. Though it makes no difference to me, a lot of people would buy it because there is a different attitude about people who smoke and people who sell. Many are willing to look the other way if they think the victim of police misbehavior is himself a bad guy.

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BTW, my instinct is to distrust people in authority and I am furious at the police (and prosecutor) in this case and in most of the cases we see at this site. But, I don’t think that all cops are bad guys or that they all approve of tactics used in drug raids. Not speaking out against wrongdoing is a failure of courage (and criminal, when one hides specific knowledge of abuse), but that doesn’t mean there is no such thing as silent disapproval, either. I think police are right up there with politicians as the most privileged people in society; they are able to bend the rules, get access, demand favors, etc. They should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest. And I wish every one of them would scream and shout about cases like this. But I don’t think that they are all evil because they don’t.

]]> By: Danimal http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-184634 Danimal Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:16:32 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-184634 "Today, Ryan Frederick’s lawyers filed a brief asking the judge to quash all evidence" Why would the judge quash the evidence? I thought that Scalia's "New Professionalism" made the 4th Amendment moot? And would "all evidence" remove any evidence of the killing of the cop, or only the few joints that were found? “Today, Ryan Frederick’s lawyers filed a brief asking the judge to quash all evidence”

Why would the judge quash the evidence? I thought that Scalia’s “New Professionalism” made the 4th Amendment moot?

And would “all evidence” remove any evidence of the killing of the cop, or only the few joints that were found?

]]> By: Lee http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-184564 Lee Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:52:24 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-184564 All cops are criminals by nature of their employment and perceived power, and their lack of screaming at the top of their lungs to EVERYONE about the ruination of people's lives done by their colleagues. Anything less than this is, at the least, silent approval. There isn't a single cop that has NEVER violated someone's rights, NEVER used unjust force, NEVER "popped a woody" over the things they can or could do to "destroy someone". All cops are criminals by nature of their employment and perceived power, and their lack of screaming at the top of their lungs to EVERYONE about the ruination of people’s lives done by their colleagues. Anything less than this is, at the least, silent approval. There isn’t a single cop that has NEVER violated someone’s rights, NEVER used unjust force, NEVER “popped a woody” over the things they can or could do to “destroy someone”.

]]> By: Edwin Sheldon http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-184562 Edwin Sheldon Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:36:59 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-184562 Tokin42: In this case, they are likely dumb AND criminal. Tokin42: In this case, they are likely dumb AND criminal.

]]> By: Tokin42 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-184560 Tokin42 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:29:23 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-184560 Nice job staying on top of this. If the allegations put out by the informant are true, this is an outrageous scandal that might tip the scales on the drug war a bit towards the "sane" side. While I'm hoping Ryan gets out of this, I'm also hoping the informant is a liar. I'd rather the officers be dumb than criminal. Nice job staying on top of this. If the allegations put out by the informant are true, this is an outrageous scandal that might tip the scales on the drug war a bit towards the “sane” side. While I’m hoping Ryan gets out of this, I’m also hoping the informant is a liar. I’d rather the officers be dumb than criminal.

]]> By: Cynical In CA http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-184559 Cynical In CA Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:17:16 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-184559 Prediction: if Virginia is anything like Georgia, Frederick can hope for an 11th hour reprieve from the U.S.S.C. someday. The ruling class will never let a copkiller walk, the facts be damned. Prediction: if Virginia is anything like Georgia, Frederick can hope for an 11th hour reprieve from the U.S.S.C. someday.

The ruling class will never let a copkiller walk, the facts be damned.

]]> By: Steve Verdon http://www.theagitator.com/2008/09/24/more-on-the-ryan-frederick-case/comment-page-1/#comment-184556 Steve Verdon Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:11:29 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10699#comment-184556 God I hope that works. Then get Fredericks out of town since the cops will likely want to arrange for something special for him. God I hope that works. Then get Fredericks out of town since the cops will likely want to arrange for something special for him.

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