The list is getting long, but if anyone can add to it, please do.

Thanks Gen, that helps clarify what otherwise seemed like some unusual details.

According to Turnbull, Frederick suspected that the informant Steven was behind the burglary. After the break-in, an angry Frederick had repeatedly called Turnbull’s cell phone and had threatened Steven’s parents in Great Bridge.

Turnbull speculates that Frederick obtained his cell number from caller ID after he and Steven called to see whether Frederick was home before the burglary.

Frederick “kept calling,” Turnbull said.

He tried to assure Frederick that he was not involved in the break-in, but Frederick seemed to know that the burglars were Steven and a dark -skinned black male, possibly from a security camera, said Turnbull, who is black.

One point in the article that I wasn’t sure what to make of was that Frederick knew who “Steven” was and called Steven’s parent’s house. If that’s true (and it would be a dumb lie to tell, since that should be verifiable), presumably, Frederick didn’t get the parents’ number from caller ID. In fact, reading that section of the article, I get the idea that Frederick knew Steven’s was involved in the robbery (no way to know that from the caller ID of a missed call from Turnbull’s cell phone), knew Steven’s name, knew how to get in touch with his parents, knew he was in jail, and so on. None of those details seem like things Turnbull would have told him. One has to wonder if Frederick didn’t have some prior contact with Steven or if there was more interaction with him after the burglary that Turnbull hasn’t mentioned or doesn’t know about. Or, it can be shown that Frederick didn’t know Steven, didn’t call his parents’, etc. and that would put the lie to Turnbull’s account.

BTW, there might have been a security camera? Either that is true and it adds a whole other dimension to the evidence that will come up or it’s false and it also tends to undermine Turnbull’s account. Turnbull is correct at least in that there must be some reason that Frederick was able to match his description from the night of the burglary, assuming that’s something Frederick said to the police after his arrest and not just another (possibly fabricated) part of Turnbull’s story.

Won’t happen. A cop died (and I agree with those who believe he had it coming) so there will be no stone left unturned in the effort to exact revenge. Even if Ryan is found not guilty, there will be a cop waiting for him at the door of the courthouse willing to take one for the team. Maybe even one with a terminal illness so the judge can get away with home detention instead of hard time.

That cop’s family will be well taken care of. Ryan’s family won’t get squat.

So I was not saying that he should have questioned his participation on the raid–though he certainly should have. I’m saying that he should have had some serious moral qualms about authorizing criminals to commit burglaries in order to allow him to make an end run around the Fourth Amendment….in order to then go on raids like this one. That doesn’t come close to “just doing his job”. That’s more like “burning down the village to save it”.

Oh, I can believe that. Really! I call up people who burgle my home and tell them that I’m going to shoot police officers quite often.

Hell, be honest, you pious bastards, so sanctimonious pricks here at The Agitator. What one of us hasn’t>/i> called up a criminal that we don’t know and threatened to ambush police officers? Happens All. The. Time. As a matter of fact, I’m a-bettin’ that some of you are doing it right now.

While cries of “scumbag” etc are red meat to the base, it has the opposite effect on everyone else: it merely energizes the opposition, and tends to turn the undecideds against you. Radley’s work is great, but part of its greatness is that it challenges a lot of long held assumptions about law enforcement. There are a lot of people who are willing to assume that Ryan Frederick is scum, and that those who defend him hate all cops and are scum too. I’d like to convince them otherwise.