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Thursday, September 4th, 2008Devastating. And he’s right about Dick Morris.
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I am going to use the new progressive talking point.
I wonder who wrote that for Jon Stewart and put it in the teleprompter.
That would be be Jon Stewart (although I don’t think he sets up his own teleprompter).
Paul L.
Umm, talking points only work well if they are based somewhat in fact. Palin: Vast majority ofher speech written by other people. Jon Stewart: Writes a lot of the jokes and basically controls the content of the Daily Show.
It kinda also makes it different that he’s just cracking jokes inbetween the sharing of hard facts, whereas Palin was, as most politicians do, distorting everyone’s record that she mentioned.
Why is it that the Daily Show does a better job than the real media some of the time? Especially when it comes to calling people on their BS, seems like most people feel they can say anything bc no one’s ever going to call them on it. Sad.
Jon Stewart is the king.
I wish Jon Stewart would moderate a Presidential debate. They let the guy host the Oscars twice, why not one Presidential debate? I think it would be great!
Also, I’m not surprised at all to see these talking heads basically reverse their positions based on if they’re speaking of a Democrat or a Republican. Karl Rove, especially, is well known for this.
“Jon Stewart: Writes a lot of the jokes and basically controls the content of the Daily Show.”
Which is why the Daily Show went into reruns during the writer’s strike.
I am guessing that Jon did not research/find the clips of Rove/Morris/Bill O’Reilly/Mccain PR flak contradicting themselves.
However his point is valid and I wanted to mock the new progressive teleprompter talking point.
Which is why the Daily Show went into reruns during the writer’s strike.
Wow, now you’re just making shit up. The Daily Show aired new episodes during the strike, as “A Daily Show.”
BTW, O’Reilly didn’t contradict himself. He said it was a family issue in both instances. The Daily Show is brilliant, but they are Comedy, not News.
Go ahead, flame me for defending O’Reilly! I am just trying to be Fair and Balanced!!
Wow, now you’re just making shit up. The Daily Show aired new episodes during the strike, as “A Daily Show.”
Hey, what the fuck do facts have to do with anything when you want to mock the new progressive teleprompter talking point.
Let me refresh your memory David.
Not so smart after all
The canaries in TV’s creative coal mine are latenight hosts such as David Letterman and Jay Leno, whose monologues and sketches are dependent on union writers. If history is any guide, both shows will almost instantly go dark, as would “Saturday Night Live.” Comedy Central’s latenight stalwarts “The Daily Show With Jon Stewart” and “The Colbert Report” would also likely switch to repeats in the immediate aftermath of a strike.
The Daily show returned after Jay Leno crossed the picket line.
‘Daily Show’ to Resume Despite Writers Strike
Good grief, Paul L., why even bother with who writes Jon Stewart’s material? The Daily Show could be hosted by a poo-flinging chimpanzee and those clips would still be hilarious.
What is it that lawyers say? “When the law isn’t on your side, pound the facts. When the facts aren’t on your side, pound the law. When neither are on your side, pound the host of the fake news show.”
Good catch Radley.
The Daily Show - like all shows - has writers. And Stewart is one of them. But Stewart runs the show. Jokes are sometimes his - other times written by one of the writing staff. The same goes for the Colbert Report which Stewart produces.
During the writers strike the Union wouldn’t allow him to bring his writers back with the same deal that Letterman was allowed to bring his writers back. So Stewart and Colbert went it alone with no script until the strike was over. Stewart even bitched about it on air that they allowed Letterman’s writers to work but not his.
Yep, most everybody spins when its convenient.
But remember, the sexist attacks on Hillary during Democratic primaries (whether she was smart to complain about them or not) came from - not the Republicans, but from her Democratic opponents.
The sexist attacks on Palin are coming from - yes, again, the Democrats, aided by the mainstream media.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/03/two-covers-one-conclusion/
Whatever one thinks of the Republicans or the Bush administration one should recoil in horror from the way Palin is being treated.
Wow, Karl played hisself.
TIM: It wasn’t the Writers Guild that wouldn’t let Jon Stewart have writers, it was MTV Networks.
Letterman owns and produces his own show. When he struck a deal with the writers, it was on behalf of his own production company, which is not a subsidiary of any larger production company.
The Daily Show, on the other hand, is produced by Comedy Central, owned by MTV Networks, a division of Viacom. Jon Stewart couldn’t do his own deal with the writers, because he doesn’t own the show. Viacom would’ve had to settle with the guild for ALL of their productions.
[...] all played yourselves. (Hat tip to Radley) Filed under: Conservatism, Current Events, LL.org, News Media, Politics, Video [...]
Radley-
Maybe I missed your endorsement, but while it’s a funny video, its not really new to point out that (gasp) party insiders and representatives will spin to the point of self-contradiction. The only person who doesn’t self contradict in the segment is Palin, who as far as I know, has not claimed the attacks are unfair on grounds of sexism.
Devastating? If a self contradiction like “We need to stand up to the special interests, bring Republicans and Democrats together, and pass the farm bill immediately,” isn’t devastating I’m not sure how this is; unless it is merely devastating because the Daily Show didn’t make fun of that one.
@10: Your first source was a blog post from October 31, ‘07. I’m pretty sure the WGA strike didn’t begin until early November. That source is therefore not fact; it is speculation (the speculation of Vox Day, no less). Your second source is fact, but contradicts your original assertion that the Daily Show aired reruns during the strike. You’re basically arguing against yourself, and winning. Regardless of whether the show aired reruns or new material, as a member of the WGA, Jon Stewart the writer was on strike, so Jon Stewart the host couldn’t use his material anyway. Basically, one could not have judged his contributions to The Daily Show as a writer based on the strike either way.
@14: Could that possibly be due to the fact that, during the primaries, candidates compete against members of their own party? Are you suggesting that had Hillary been the Democratic nominee, the McCain campaign would refrain from mentioning her gender at all? Did you actually watch the posted video?
“The only person who doesn’t self contradict in the segment is Palin, who as far as I know, has not claimed the attacks are unfair on grounds of sexism.”
She’s part of a campaign now though, and one that has made playing UP sexism it’s central message recently. Of course, they can’t seem to stay on message, whereas half the campaign is claiming that the media is out to get her, and even leaking supposedly off the record insults about her to play up the idea… while the other half has been saying that the criticism of her has been fair and balanced.
Republicans (and dems for that matter, but this is about Republicans) do have some wrong headed opinions about certain things… and this is one of them.
Let’s hope this is a chance for them to rethink their posistions and learn that even good kids from good families made mistakes and realize that chastizing them is counter productive.
Who cares who finds it or writes it or directs it or whatever? The salient point in the clips still holds true. To Bill O’Reilly, when Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant, it’s the fault of her pinhead parents but when the Vice President’s 17 year-old daughter is pregnant it’s a family issue that oughtn’t be judged or discussed. To Karl Rove, being the governor of a state for 3 years and the mayor of a town of 120,000 makes you unqualified when it’s Tim Kaine, but having a lesser resume is a-ok when it’s Sarah Palin. To Dick Morris, it’s whining about being picked on by the boys when it’s Hillary Clinton, but it’s the boys picking on Sarah Palin. And on and on.
I’m far from a Democrat (most of Radley’s readership is, I bet), but it’s exasperating to read and watch this crap. These pundits are full of shit and will make whatever argument is immediately and politically expedient. Their audience, desperate to be on the right side, internalizes and adopts it as truth, even though they were spouting the opposite 3 months ago.
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BTW, O’Reilly didn’t contradict himself. He said it was a family issue in both instances.
He’s saying it’s a family issue while broadcasting it on national TV and criticizing the parents. Not exactly compatible actions.
Yes, without writers. Jon Stewart proved himself capable of writing his own material.
“BTW, O’Reilly didn’t contradict himself. He said it was a family issue in both instances.
He’s saying it’s a family issue while broadcasting it on national TV and criticizing the parents. Not exactly compatible actions.”
In both instances it was also a commentary on how it has been covered in other media. I have seen the full clip of each. My comment had a lot to do with the fact that a comedy show can make anyone look like an ass. I’m sure many here hate O’Reilly, so all the better.
In both instances it was also a commentary on how it has been covered in other media. I have seen the full clip of each.
Well, he said that “It’s true that some Americans will judge Governor Palin and her family,” and he was saying that they shouldn’t because it’s a personal matter and nobody’s being asked to foot the bill.
Then he said that the “blame” for Jamie Lynn Spears’ pregnancy “falls primarily on the parents,” who then referred to as “pinheads.”
I’m not sure how that’s not contradicting himself.
I’m sure many here hate O’Reilly, so all the better.
Hypocrite, bigot, ignoramus, liar. What’s not to hate?
Les, go to foxnews.com and watch the whole clip… your argument just supports my comment that he (O’Reilly) was taken out of context in the Stewart clip. He did NOT give Palin a pass on the issue and said that her family situation is an issue (I’m paraphrasing, of course). His point of the commentary was to say the media shouldn’t make it a race issue or question whether Palin should be in such a high profile position exposing her daughter. He was saying how those things were unfair.
The libertarians here should support both points, though, that it is a parental problem as well as a family issue. That is NOT contradictory.
I am glad to see my posts are rated (albeit low) and are getting attention. I am no troll, nor am I sticking up for O’Reilly. I like to see broad issues and try to see the truth behind them. That does mean watching O’Reilly clips sometimes. I read conservative and liberal stuff. If you live in the middle, like most of us do, you have to. If you just toe the party line, you will never see the whole truth.
Oh yeah, and don’t form your opinions on The Daily Show… its a comedy show which was my argument from the very beginning.
Dave, have you considered writing for the Daily Show?
#28
The disparity in treatment should be obvious. Even though the Spears’ have more than enough money to make sure the taxpayers don’t have to support Jamie Lynn’s baby (thus making it, in O’Reilly’s eyes, a “personal” and not “policy” issue), her parents are pinheads who get the blame for their failure to control their daughter. Yet the fact that Palin’s daughter got pregnant doesn’t make Palin a pinhead, nor does O’Reilly suggest that her inability to control her own daughter casts doubt on her ability to say, be the VP of an entire country. Rather, when he acknowledges that people are going to judge Palin for her daughter’s pregnancy anyway, he is quick to comment that there’s “nothing that anyone can do about it” — which certainly suggests he thinks the criticism is unfair.
I don’t think anything significant is excised from the full clip to make O’Reilly’s comments out of context. But the full clip is worth watching for his hand-waiving dismissal Mary Mitchell’s article.
Oh, and I don’t see any particular reason to dismiss information gleaned from a “comedy show” as the basis for forming an opinion. Just because something is funny doesn’t mean it’s not true. Watching Karl Rove shamelessly contradict himself for purposes of political hackery is funny because of the light it sheds on his true character (as a shameless political hack). Now if the clips are inaccurate, that’s a fair criticism. But just because it’s funny doesn’t mean it’s inaccurate.
And for the record, John Stewart deserves a lot of blame for the “don’t take us seriously, we’re just a comedy show!” cop-out, which he used on his (painful) Crossfire appearance. That was a bad faith dodge.
What are you people talking about? We’ve ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia!
JJH2-
I just love how comments on the internet get horribly mis-quoted. I never once used the word “dismiss”, nor did I even make that implication. What you should get from my post was that you have to look at a lot of different sources to get the whole story.
Also, as far as the Spears thing, he was talking about the whole family situation… including Britney. Again, you have to take the whole comment into consideration. Also, you have to admit that Britney is pretty messed up. Adding to that the other daughter is pregnant at 16. I consider it a parenting problem… or at least part of the problem.
That’s not a mis-quote. There were no quotes around the word “dismiss.” It was a paraphrase. I’m not sure where the meaningful distinction between:
“don’t form your opinions on The Daily Show… its a comedy show”
and
“I don’t see any particular reason to dismiss information gleaned from a “comedy show” as the basis for forming an opinion. ”
is
Jesse,
Until O’Reilly calls Palin and her husband “pinheads,” he’s not being consistent.
I agree with you that it is a parental and private issue, and that one should always avoid toeing the party line, but O’Reilly has a long history of hypocrisy and this strikes me as just another example of it.
“Jesse,
Until O’Reilly calls Palin and her husband “pinheads,” he’s not being consistent.
I agree with you that it is a parental and private issue, and that one should always avoid toeing the party line, but O’Reilly has a long history of hypocrisy and this strikes me as just another example of it.”
So Palin’s situation and and the Spear’s situation is identical and deserves an identical response? Well it is not and it doesn’t.
#36
Well you’re right that the two situations don’t deserve an equal response. Palin is a public political figure who supports policies that make teenage pregnancy more likely (”abstinence only” sex education vs. comprehensive sex education), and a person for whom one’s ability to keep people in line is suggestive of their ability to govern a whole country if necessary. Whereas the Spears’ family is… not. Despite O’Reilly’s statement at the end of the full clip that he hopes that the media buzz about Palin’s daughter would die down soon because America “doesn’t need a soap opera,” he’s perfectly happy to beat up on politically irrelevant targets to pander to his shame-mongering viewer base.
#36… good comment.
Guys, I think by now you might realize that I am playing devil’s advocate here, at least a little bit. The reason I got started on this was when I watched the Stewart clip, I had just watched the full O’Reilly clip and I thought to myself, “That’s not what he was saying, though.” O’Reilly is divisive and an easy target. That is part of why I watch those clips sometimes though. It gets me fired up and thinking. I knew coming out on his side would spark discussion.
JJH2, I will concede that you did not quote me, but using the word “dismiss” when I did not, and then quoting me out of context is doing EXACTLY what Stewart does for a laugh, and politicians do so often. Example:
You used the word “dismiss” in regards to Stewart when I did not and then quoted me as saying “don’t form your opinions on The Daily Show… its a comedy show”. Taken out of context, it makes it look like I said to disregard The Daily Show. Please re-read post #28. That quote that you attributed to me came RIGHT AFTER I talked about getting your news from various sources. Now, I could have been clearer in that one sentence and said “don’t form your opinions SOLELY on The Daily Show”. I did not, but that comment was to be taken in context of what I just said.
So, that is how things get “spun”. You very easily attibuted dismissal to me, when I did no such thing. I am not attacking you in any way, just using that as an example to support my argument that you must see things in context and you must form your opinions based on various sources.
So anyway, I have done the one thing that I avoid like the plague… arguing on the internet. So I’ll just end by saying that, sure, O’Reilly sets himself up for this kind of scrutiny by being so divisive. But I don’t hate him or dismiss his words just because I don’t always agree with him. One thing I’ve learned is, you and I don’t have to agree to get along. You can learn from people that are wrong, or hold a different opinion. I do try to get the whole story though. Jon Stewart is very good at making these quotes funny. However, looking at the big picture, I have no problem calling the Spears’ parents pinheads because that whole situation is digusting when you include the Britney scenario and over-covered in the media (admittedly, not the parents fault for media coverage). However, I truely do NOT think Palin deserves the pinhead label… at least not yet! Palin should spark policy discussion (#36), while Spears is an out of control pop star with a pregnant little sister… vastly different and deserves different coverage. Therefore, even though he sounds like an idiot, I have no problem with O’Reilly treating it different.
OK, I said I was going to leave it at that, but I just can’t resist…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,417282,00.html
Yes, Lynne Spears is a pinhead! I stand by it.
When I referred to #36 in the above post, I meant #37. I was trying to give props to JJH2 and it looks like I was referring to myself. Oops.
hey geniuses!
it really dosent matter whether or not jon stewart writes his own material.
the video clips speak for themselves
jon stewart simply playd back what they said.
get a fucking clue guys!