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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-173037</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

If you believe that markets will fix everything, a claim you have made repeatedly, then you&#039;re putting your faith in something just as magical as the notion of God. It&#039;s one of the more confusing things about hardcore free-marketeers - many are aghast at religion, and then put all of their faith into the marketplace fixing all things. It doesn&#039;t make any sense, unless you subscribe to the &quot;our God is better than your God&quot; sort of argument, which I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>If you believe that markets will fix everything, a claim you have made repeatedly, then you&#8217;re putting your faith in something just as magical as the notion of God. It&#8217;s one of the more confusing things about hardcore free-marketeers &#8211; many are aghast at religion, and then put all of their faith into the marketplace fixing all things. It doesn&#8217;t make any sense, unless you subscribe to the &#8220;our God is better than your God&#8221; sort of argument, which I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172692</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam - You insist that markets thrive on information. Yet you endorse a legal mandate (calorie counts on menus) that does not increase the amount of information in the marketplace. That bit of poor reasoning drives me a bit crazy.

I have no religious obsession for anything. Not even religion. Why the constant refrain about those that disagree with you basing their arguments in faith? You might think that dismissing as mystical everything you can&#039;t actually come with an argument against is clever... it&#039;s not.

Also: Spitting?

Nick - That&#039;s a good point, re: libertopia and legal disclaimers. And you&#039;re right, asking what&#039;s in the food doesn&#039;t help if others foods have been contaminated by the nuts... I wasn&#039;t responding directly to the article, but instead to Sam&#039;s comment:&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, warning people with deadly allergies that their triggers are in the food they’re about to consume?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Note he didn&#039;t say &quot;triggers &lt;i&gt;might be&lt;/i&gt; in the food.&quot;

The restaurant already had a warning on the menu that nuts were used in the kitchen, and therefore might be in any food. They were covered there. 

If you&#039;re worried that your dish might definitely contains nuts: ask. If you know you have an allergy, read the menu that states this food might be poisonous to you, and still eat it? Tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam &#8211; You insist that markets thrive on information. Yet you endorse a legal mandate (calorie counts on menus) that does not increase the amount of information in the marketplace. That bit of poor reasoning drives me a bit crazy.</p>
<p>I have no religious obsession for anything. Not even religion. Why the constant refrain about those that disagree with you basing their arguments in faith? You might think that dismissing as mystical everything you can&#8217;t actually come with an argument against is clever&#8230; it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>Also: Spitting?</p>
<p>Nick &#8211; That&#8217;s a good point, re: libertopia and legal disclaimers. And you&#8217;re right, asking what&#8217;s in the food doesn&#8217;t help if others foods have been contaminated by the nuts&#8230; I wasn&#8217;t responding directly to the article, but instead to Sam&#8217;s comment:<br />
<blockquote>Also, warning people with deadly allergies that their triggers are in the food they’re about to consume?</p></blockquote>
<p>Note he didn&#8217;t say &#8220;triggers <i>might be</i> in the food.&#8221;</p>
<p>The restaurant already had a warning on the menu that nuts were used in the kitchen, and therefore might be in any food. They were covered there. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re worried that your dish might definitely contains nuts: ask. If you know you have an allergy, read the menu that states this food might be poisonous to you, and still eat it? Tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172566</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

Love the website, even though I frequently disagree. You, though, are just spitting at anybody who dares to cross your religious obsession with the stupidity of people and the perfection of marketplaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Love the website, even though I frequently disagree. You, though, are just spitting at anybody who dares to cross your religious obsession with the stupidity of people and the perfection of marketplaces.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172564</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23:  The threatened (not actual) lawsuit didn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;force&lt;/i&gt; them to do that, at least not in the sense that government regulations do.  They decided that handing out the card was the best way to prevent diners puffing up and collapsing in the aloo ghobi, but that particular solution wasn&#039;t forced on them by some outside power.

Isn&#039;t that how libertarianism works?  Customer who thinks he was harmed by a product files civil lawsuit against the company rather than resorting to government legislation.  Company responds to lawsuit by changing its practices, or not, depending on whether it thinks the disgruntled customer will harm the bottom line. 

If I&#039;m ever transported to an alternate earth in the multiverse, my first clue that I have landed in libertopia will probably be the plethora of legal disclaimers accompanying every transaction.

Note :  the dish that made the customer sick &lt;i&gt;did not&lt;/i&gt; contain nuts as an ingredient, so your initial suggestion to ask the staff what&#039;s in the tandoori was not terribly useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23:  The threatened (not actual) lawsuit didn&#8217;t <i>force</i> them to do that, at least not in the sense that government regulations do.  They decided that handing out the card was the best way to prevent diners puffing up and collapsing in the aloo ghobi, but that particular solution wasn&#8217;t forced on them by some outside power.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that how libertarianism works?  Customer who thinks he was harmed by a product files civil lawsuit against the company rather than resorting to government legislation.  Company responds to lawsuit by changing its practices, or not, depending on whether it thinks the disgruntled customer will harm the bottom line. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m ever transported to an alternate earth in the multiverse, my first clue that I have landed in libertopia will probably be the plethora of legal disclaimers accompanying every transaction.</p>
<p>Note :  the dish that made the customer sick <i>did not</i> contain nuts as an ingredient, so your initial suggestion to ask the staff what&#8217;s in the tandoori was not terribly useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A restaurant that actually prints the warning, even in excessive detail, would be helpful, I think.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The restaurant in question did print a warning:&lt;blockquote&gt;Menus have also stated that all dishes may contain traces of nuts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The lawsuit basically forced them to ask all customers if they have a nut allergy, and then personally hand them a card with a legal warning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A restaurant that actually prints the warning, even in excessive detail, would be helpful, I think.</p></blockquote>
<p>The restaurant in question did print a warning:<br />
<blockquote>Menus have also stated that all dishes may contain traces of nuts.</p></blockquote>
<p>The lawsuit basically forced them to ask all customers if they have a nut allergy, and then personally hand them a card with a legal warning.</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172557</link>
		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick:

Yep.  It&#039;s much nicer to get a &quot;Don&#039;t try to eat here, God knows if we&#039;ve gotten peanuts in your food&quot; up front than a room-temperature-IQ drone telling me &quot;No, I don&#039;t think the peanut butter cookies would have any peanuts in them.&quot;    Some restaurants helpfully put up a sign to this effect, and that&#039;s a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick:</p>
<p>Yep.  It&#8217;s much nicer to get a &#8220;Don&#8217;t try to eat here, God knows if we&#8217;ve gotten peanuts in your food&#8221; up front than a room-temperature-IQ drone telling me &#8220;No, I don&#8217;t think the peanut butter cookies would have any peanuts in them.&#8221;    Some restaurants helpfully put up a sign to this effect, and that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;People with deadly allergies not bothering to bone up on the ingredients in food before consuming it? When will the stupidity end?&lt;/i&gt;

More like people with deadly allergies not bothering to bone up on the ingredients that they &lt;i&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; about to consume but which might be prepared in the same kitchen, perhaps using some of the same utensils.  

I have friends with nut allergies, and playing 20 questions with clueless waiters can get pretty tiresome, not to mention the risk that the waiter&#039;s knowledge may not be comprehensive.   A restaurant that actually prints the warning, even in excessive detail, would be helpful, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>People with deadly allergies not bothering to bone up on the ingredients in food before consuming it? When will the stupidity end?</i></p>
<p>More like people with deadly allergies not bothering to bone up on the ingredients that they <i>aren&#8217;t</i> about to consume but which might be prepared in the same kitchen, perhaps using some of the same utensils.  </p>
<p>I have friends with nut allergies, and playing 20 questions with clueless waiters can get pretty tiresome, not to mention the risk that the waiter&#8217;s knowledge may not be comprehensive.   A restaurant that actually prints the warning, even in excessive detail, would be helpful, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172504</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, Sam. Do you actually like this website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Sam. Do you actually like this website?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172392</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

How can you possibly be a troll on a website you like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>How can you possibly be a troll on a website you like?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172388</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I have plenty of respect for consumers. I respect their ability to figure shit out without being constantly harangued by petty government bureaucrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I have plenty of respect for consumers. I respect their ability to figure shit out without being constantly harangued by petty government bureaucrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172387</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask! They&#039;ll fucking tell you what&#039;s in the tandoori, I promise!</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172385</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

How is somebody supposed to know what specific ingredients a restaurant is going to put in its food? Contrary to what you apparently believe, finding a recipe in a cookbook doesn&#039;t guarantee that the restaurant visited uses the same recipe. 

Meanwhile, markets do run on information. That you don&#039;t believe in consumers having information makes me wonder how committed you are to markets. You&#039;re definitely committed to sellers, but you don&#039;t have nearly the same level of respect for consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>How is somebody supposed to know what specific ingredients a restaurant is going to put in its food? Contrary to what you apparently believe, finding a recipe in a cookbook doesn&#8217;t guarantee that the restaurant visited uses the same recipe. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, markets do run on information. That you don&#8217;t believe in consumers having information makes me wonder how committed you are to markets. You&#8217;re definitely committed to sellers, but you don&#8217;t have nearly the same level of respect for consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172383</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, it’s definitely a waste to sell something that consumers in the marketplace want to purchase…&lt;/blockquote&gt;I won&#039;t rest until there&#039;s a government mandated warning about the hops shortage on every package of Tom&#039;s of Maine deodorant. After all, markets run on information, so let&#039;s print every random fact we can think of on every box we sell crap in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, it’s definitely a waste to sell something that consumers in the marketplace want to purchase…</p></blockquote>
<p>I won&#8217;t rest until there&#8217;s a government mandated warning about the hops shortage on every package of Tom&#8217;s of Maine deodorant. After all, markets run on information, so let&#8217;s print every random fact we can think of on every box we sell crap in.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172382</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, warning people with deadly allergies that their triggers are in the food they’re about to consume? When will the government madness end?&lt;/blockquote&gt;People with deadly allergies not bothering to bone up on the ingredients in food before consuming it? When will the stupidity end?

Asking the staff what&#039;s in the food before eating it. You could probably ask them how many calories it has, too. Christ, people are dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, warning people with deadly allergies that their triggers are in the food they’re about to consume? When will the government madness end?</p></blockquote>
<p>People with deadly allergies not bothering to bone up on the ingredients in food before consuming it? When will the stupidity end?</p>
<p>Asking the staff what&#8217;s in the food before eating it. You could probably ask them how many calories it has, too. Christ, people are dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172375</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, warning people with deadly allergies that their triggers are in the food they&#039;re about to consume? When will the government madness end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, warning people with deadly allergies that their triggers are in the food they&#8217;re about to consume? When will the government madness end?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172303</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s definitely a waste to sell something that consumers in the marketplace want to purchase...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s definitely a waste to sell something that consumers in the marketplace want to purchase&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chsw</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172286</link>
		<dc:creator>chsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Tom&#039;s of Maine make you smell like a lager or an ale?  A British bitter or a German weizenbrau?

What a waste.

chsw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Tom&#8217;s of Maine make you smell like a lager or an ale?  A British bitter or a German weizenbrau?</p>
<p>What a waste.</p>
<p>chsw</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172270</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What were they thinking by not using Barack&#039;s voice? Didn&#039;t they realize that I&#039;m used to getting very real, personal text messages from my friends? Didn&#039;t they know that even I thought that Barack really &quot;got&quot; this modern medium?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Dude, who doesn&#039;t get the medium? This &lt;i&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; a text message from a friend. This was a broadcast message to thousands of interested people, and why would hiding things behind 1st person pronouns make it more authentic? Would he really then have believed that Obama himself sat and typed the thing out with his thumbs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What were they thinking by not using Barack&#8217;s voice? Didn&#8217;t they realize that I&#8217;m used to getting very real, personal text messages from my friends? Didn&#8217;t they know that even I thought that Barack really &#8220;got&#8221; this modern medium?</p></blockquote>
<p>Dude, who doesn&#8217;t get the medium? This <i>isn&#8217;t</i> a text message from a friend. This was a broadcast message to thousands of interested people, and why would hiding things behind 1st person pronouns make it more authentic? Would he really then have believed that Obama himself sat and typed the thing out with his thumbs?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else think that the Superman reboot blows? I liked the last reboot (which ignored Superman 3 and 4, which was fine with me) and was looking forward to seeing the Son of Superman storyline.

Also, didn&#039;t they notice that the Hulk reboot wasn&#039;t a huge blockbuster, at least not of Iron Man/Dark Knight proportions? Perhaps they should stick to telling new stories about existing characters, or new stories about new characters, rather than repeatedly starting over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else think that the Superman reboot blows? I liked the last reboot (which ignored Superman 3 and 4, which was fine with me) and was looking forward to seeing the Son of Superman storyline.</p>
<p>Also, didn&#8217;t they notice that the Hulk reboot wasn&#8217;t a huge blockbuster, at least not of Iron Man/Dark Knight proportions? Perhaps they should stick to telling new stories about existing characters, or new stories about new characters, rather than repeatedly starting over.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/08/25/links-for-82508/comment-page-1/#comment-172267</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Tom&#039;s of Maine &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tomsofmaine.com/toms/product.asp?dept_id=500&amp;pf_id=BW-LLDR&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;roll-on&lt;/a&gt; because I&#039;ve found it works much better than their solids. It also doesn&#039;t contain hops, which I&#039;d prefer to drink. Did you also know that hops are closely related to cannabis, my favorite vice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Tom&#8217;s of Maine <a href="http://www.tomsofmaine.com/toms/product.asp?dept_id=500&amp;pf_id=BW-LLDR" rel="nofollow">roll-on</a> because I&#8217;ve found it works much better than their solids. It also doesn&#8217;t contain hops, which I&#8217;d prefer to drink. Did you also know that hops are closely related to cannabis, my favorite vice?</p>
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