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	<title>Comments on: Lima, Ohio SWAT Officer Acquitted in the Killing of Tarika Wilson</title>
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		<title>By: SSDD &#171; The Heat Death Hour</title>
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		<dc:creator>SSDD &#171; The Heat Death Hour</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] officer Joseph Chavalia of involuntary manslaughter in the death of 26-year-old Tarika Wilson.  Chavalia shot and killed Wilson and wounded her infant son during a drug raid last January. Wilson was unarmed. During the raid, one of Chavalia’s fellow officers shot and killed the two [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] officer Joseph Chavalia of involuntary manslaughter in the death of 26-year-old Tarika Wilson.  Chavalia shot and killed Wilson and wounded her infant son during a drug raid last January. Wilson was unarmed. During the raid, one of Chavalia’s fellow officers shot and killed the two [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it moral (universally preferable behaviour) to go up to someone&#039;s home and shoot their dogs and shoot into their home? 
Is that ever the type of behaviour that most of us engage in? If not, why? Could it be that most of us know that it&#039;s wrong? Could it be that people who don&#039;t understand that this behaviour is immoral are extremely ignorant or have a mental disorder? Aren&#039;t people like that known as sociopaths and psychopaths? Could it be that they&#039;re the way they are because of an abusive up-bringing? Maybe it&#039;s time to take pity on these people who call themselves &quot;law enforcement&quot; and CONSTANTLY encourage them to seek psychological help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it moral (universally preferable behaviour) to go up to someone&#8217;s home and shoot their dogs and shoot into their home?<br />
Is that ever the type of behaviour that most of us engage in? If not, why? Could it be that most of us know that it&#8217;s wrong? Could it be that people who don&#8217;t understand that this behaviour is immoral are extremely ignorant or have a mental disorder? Aren&#8217;t people like that known as sociopaths and psychopaths? Could it be that they&#8217;re the way they are because of an abusive up-bringing? Maybe it&#8217;s time to take pity on these people who call themselves &#8220;law enforcement&#8221; and CONSTANTLY encourage them to seek psychological help.</p>
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		<title>By: ToBe or Not toBe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToBe or Not toBe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People, the Government is there for ONE REASON, and that is to Defend our Borders and the citizens of this country from such as I have stated.

If the Government tells the Chinese &quot; It&#039;s OK to go Door to Door and Kill the people &quot; Would we likewise ALLOW them to Kill the people in the Name of whatever the Governments reasons may be?  HELL NO, we would Take Up Arms and Wait for those Nasty Chinese who wanted to Kill the people, and we would do the same to them.

You can use whatever scenario you want to, but it all boils down to the SAME THING. The People are being killed off by a Rogue Army of Armed Thugs that see nothing wrong in shooting someone who they seem to think could be a threat to them. 

When will the Citizens Learn that these Armed Thugs are NOT YOUR FRIENDS, and start Protecting your fellow Americans from these Local Armies of Armed Thugs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People, the Government is there for ONE REASON, and that is to Defend our Borders and the citizens of this country from such as I have stated.</p>
<p>If the Government tells the Chinese &#8221; It&#8217;s OK to go Door to Door and Kill the people &#8221; Would we likewise ALLOW them to Kill the people in the Name of whatever the Governments reasons may be?  HELL NO, we would Take Up Arms and Wait for those Nasty Chinese who wanted to Kill the people, and we would do the same to them.</p>
<p>You can use whatever scenario you want to, but it all boils down to the SAME THING. The People are being killed off by a Rogue Army of Armed Thugs that see nothing wrong in shooting someone who they seem to think could be a threat to them. </p>
<p>When will the Citizens Learn that these Armed Thugs are NOT YOUR FRIENDS, and start Protecting your fellow Americans from these Local Armies of Armed Thugs?</p>
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		<title>By: ToBe or Not toBe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToBe or Not toBe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I&#039;m just Not getting all this. Let me Pose a question to the readers here.

Lets say that the Chinese or Russians were to Invade this country, and start going from House to House with Armed Thugs, shooting people and leaving bodies all over the place. Would the American people just continue to sit in their homes waiting for the Armed Forces to come shoot them up as well? By the way this article looks, the answer to that question would have to be YES THEY WOULD.

But In reality, the Majority of Veterans and armed citizens would start some kind of Group to Protect the citizens, and may even build their own Armed Defense Team to Hunt Down those Rogues and kill them and their families off, as they are doing to the citizens.

So, let me ask another question. What the Hell is the Difference between Armed Swat Team killing citizens, or the Chinese Killing Citizens?  NOT A DAMN BIT.

One Last Question. OK sense there is No real difference between them, WHY ARE THE PEOPLE NOT DOING A DAMN THING ABOUT IT?

This question has eluded me for a long time now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just Not getting all this. Let me Pose a question to the readers here.</p>
<p>Lets say that the Chinese or Russians were to Invade this country, and start going from House to House with Armed Thugs, shooting people and leaving bodies all over the place. Would the American people just continue to sit in their homes waiting for the Armed Forces to come shoot them up as well? By the way this article looks, the answer to that question would have to be YES THEY WOULD.</p>
<p>But In reality, the Majority of Veterans and armed citizens would start some kind of Group to Protect the citizens, and may even build their own Armed Defense Team to Hunt Down those Rogues and kill them and their families off, as they are doing to the citizens.</p>
<p>So, let me ask another question. What the Hell is the Difference between Armed Swat Team killing citizens, or the Chinese Killing Citizens?  NOT A DAMN BIT.</p>
<p>One Last Question. OK sense there is No real difference between them, WHY ARE THE PEOPLE NOT DOING A DAMN THING ABOUT IT?</p>
<p>This question has eluded me for a long time now.</p>
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		<title>By: xyz123</title>
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		<dc:creator>xyz123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok, helmut, i&#039;ll bite. 

after reading story after story after story - many reported solely by this blog - of cops killing dogs; and kids; and little old grandmaw ladies; and trying to kill many others while serving warrants at the wrong address; of gunning down unarmed guys with 50 shots; of framing/railroading/testilying innocent men into long prison sentences because their *special cop senses* TOLD them the guys were guilty; of DA&#039;s and coroners doing likewise because it&#039;d look good on their conviction records; of cops tasering handcuffed people and grannies because it&#039;s fun; and on and on and ON....

and considering i&#039;ve personally seen cops doing hardcore weapons-drawn &quot;felony stops&quot; on little old men and schoolgirl cheerleaders with a broken tail light or an expired license plate more than once ...

and *in each and every case*, the LEO community not only vociferously denied being at fault in any way but insisted that the outrage in question was o-so-sacred &quot;policy&quot;......or, failing that, they &quot;promise an investigation&quot; that never seems to bear results....

when exactly would you suggest that we be allowed to consider all cops as dangerous mad dogs, like the gangs? at what point would it be *reasonable* for us to &quot;succumb&quot; to a war mentality? did you have a number in mind? will it require proof that a cop shot the kennedys?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, helmut, i&#8217;ll bite. </p>
<p>after reading story after story after story &#8211; many reported solely by this blog &#8211; of cops killing dogs; and kids; and little old grandmaw ladies; and trying to kill many others while serving warrants at the wrong address; of gunning down unarmed guys with 50 shots; of framing/railroading/testilying innocent men into long prison sentences because their *special cop senses* TOLD them the guys were guilty; of DA&#8217;s and coroners doing likewise because it&#8217;d look good on their conviction records; of cops tasering handcuffed people and grannies because it&#8217;s fun; and on and on and ON&#8230;.</p>
<p>and considering i&#8217;ve personally seen cops doing hardcore weapons-drawn &#8220;felony stops&#8221; on little old men and schoolgirl cheerleaders with a broken tail light or an expired license plate more than once &#8230;</p>
<p>and *in each and every case*, the LEO community not only vociferously denied being at fault in any way but insisted that the outrage in question was o-so-sacred &#8220;policy&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;or, failing that, they &#8220;promise an investigation&#8221; that never seems to bear results&#8230;.</p>
<p>when exactly would you suggest that we be allowed to consider all cops as dangerous mad dogs, like the gangs? at what point would it be *reasonable* for us to &#8220;succumb&#8221; to a war mentality? did you have a number in mind? will it require proof that a cop shot the kennedys?</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew, I know this situation is frustrating, but you must know that strawman arguments do nothing to make the situation better. In fact, they only embolden the hard-liners.  They would love to paint people like you and I as bomb-throwing anti-government terrorists.  Historically speaking, violence usually encourages further state repression or replaces one repressive system with another, so I strongly disagree with your theory that meeting raids with violence will somehow solve the problem. That said, I also understand why folks like Corey Maye, et al. are taking the actions they are taking.  Chipping away at drug war propoganda will take time, so there are no easy answers.  Remember, most people--many of them well-meaning--still support the drug war in some fashion. People are just now coming round to medical marijuana, so obviously we have a lot of work to do.

By the way, I am also from a law enforcement family.  To some extent, I share your dissatisfaction with many of the current trends in policing, but to say that the sole concern of ALL officers (you wield the broad brush like a champ, my man) is to go home &quot;unscathed&quot; is just demonstrably false, in my experience.  I mean, did you ever go on a ride-along or have any in-depth conversations with your LEO relatives about their work?  I will concede that the danger involved in police work is stressed too much in academy training, and may warp recruits&#039; perception about the threat the community actually poses to them.  The police are not always heroes and they are not always the enemy.  They are human beings working in a country that needs to start living up to its limited government pretensions. If you don&#039;t realize that, then you may have already succumbed to the kind of war mentality that you claim the police have fallen into.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I know this situation is frustrating, but you must know that strawman arguments do nothing to make the situation better. In fact, they only embolden the hard-liners.  They would love to paint people like you and I as bomb-throwing anti-government terrorists.  Historically speaking, violence usually encourages further state repression or replaces one repressive system with another, so I strongly disagree with your theory that meeting raids with violence will somehow solve the problem. That said, I also understand why folks like Corey Maye, et al. are taking the actions they are taking.  Chipping away at drug war propoganda will take time, so there are no easy answers.  Remember, most people&#8211;many of them well-meaning&#8211;still support the drug war in some fashion. People are just now coming round to medical marijuana, so obviously we have a lot of work to do.</p>
<p>By the way, I am also from a law enforcement family.  To some extent, I share your dissatisfaction with many of the current trends in policing, but to say that the sole concern of ALL officers (you wield the broad brush like a champ, my man) is to go home &#8220;unscathed&#8221; is just demonstrably false, in my experience.  I mean, did you ever go on a ride-along or have any in-depth conversations with your LEO relatives about their work?  I will concede that the danger involved in police work is stressed too much in academy training, and may warp recruits&#8217; perception about the threat the community actually poses to them.  The police are not always heroes and they are not always the enemy.  They are human beings working in a country that needs to start living up to its limited government pretensions. If you don&#8217;t realize that, then you may have already succumbed to the kind of war mentality that you claim the police have fallen into.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and yet if I&#039;m in fear for my life and shoot through a door and kill a cop I end up on death row.  Provided I actually make it there of course.

I&#039;m convinced that these raids won&#039;t stop until the cost to those performing them is too high.  Once entire entry teams gets greased while performing one of this abominations nothing is going to change.  When the masked bandits in jackboots are convinced that if they kick down a door in the middle of the night that one or more of them is most likely going home in a body bag they&#039;re going to be much less enthusiastic about doing them.  

After all, this whole protect and serve mantra and the propaganda about a brave, selfless officer jumping in front of a bullet to save a defenseless citizen and putting his life on the line at every single traffic stop to keep you safe from the barbarians is so much horseshit.  They&#039;re concerned with one thing - going home unscathed at the end of the shift.  if they get to run around and play with cool coptoys and kick around some derelicts slinging weed or crackrock then all the better.  Once they know that engaging in brutal home invasions will most likely result in not going home at the end of the shift the numbers of these things will drop dramatically.

They had better re-examine what they doing.  When you have a law abiding straight arrow citizen from a LE family wishing to see you and your entry teams all come out of a building in body bags every time you engage in one of these abominable raids there is something very wrong with what you&#039;re doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yet if I&#8217;m in fear for my life and shoot through a door and kill a cop I end up on death row.  Provided I actually make it there of course.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that these raids won&#8217;t stop until the cost to those performing them is too high.  Once entire entry teams gets greased while performing one of this abominations nothing is going to change.  When the masked bandits in jackboots are convinced that if they kick down a door in the middle of the night that one or more of them is most likely going home in a body bag they&#8217;re going to be much less enthusiastic about doing them.  </p>
<p>After all, this whole protect and serve mantra and the propaganda about a brave, selfless officer jumping in front of a bullet to save a defenseless citizen and putting his life on the line at every single traffic stop to keep you safe from the barbarians is so much horseshit.  They&#8217;re concerned with one thing &#8211; going home unscathed at the end of the shift.  if they get to run around and play with cool coptoys and kick around some derelicts slinging weed or crackrock then all the better.  Once they know that engaging in brutal home invasions will most likely result in not going home at the end of the shift the numbers of these things will drop dramatically.</p>
<p>They had better re-examine what they doing.  When you have a law abiding straight arrow citizen from a LE family wishing to see you and your entry teams all come out of a building in body bags every time you engage in one of these abominable raids there is something very wrong with what you&#8217;re doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I read this story, which is so similar to others that Radley has reported on over the years, I instantly started thinking of &quot;Guns of Brixton&quot; by The Clash (&quot;When they kick in your front door, how you gonna come/ With your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun...&quot;). Now I think I could accurately describe myself as a pro-police libertarian but this is not what police work should entail! I echo the opinions of other commenters by pointing out the obvious: Drug enforcement has nothing to do with the traditional (and noble) mission of protecting and serving. It is all about paternalism and control.  If our system was the least bit sane at this point, an incident like this would shake officials so badly that they would say, &quot;its just not fucking worth it anymore.  A mother is dead.  An infant is injured. And for what???  CALL IT OFF.&quot;  Citizens and police officers will be in grave danger until this reactionary policy is discontinued. Drugs should be legal and regulated to protect consumers (they aren&#039;t now and that is whyt we have too many overdoses, not to mention prohibition related violence).  SWAT teams should return to their original function: dealing with hostage/barricade situations and other critical incidents.  We&#039;ll all be better off in the long run.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read this story, which is so similar to others that Radley has reported on over the years, I instantly started thinking of &#8220;Guns of Brixton&#8221; by The Clash (&#8220;When they kick in your front door, how you gonna come/ With your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun&#8230;&#8221;). Now I think I could accurately describe myself as a pro-police libertarian but this is not what police work should entail! I echo the opinions of other commenters by pointing out the obvious: Drug enforcement has nothing to do with the traditional (and noble) mission of protecting and serving. It is all about paternalism and control.  If our system was the least bit sane at this point, an incident like this would shake officials so badly that they would say, &#8220;its just not fucking worth it anymore.  A mother is dead.  An infant is injured. And for what???  CALL IT OFF.&#8221;  Citizens and police officers will be in grave danger until this reactionary policy is discontinued. Drugs should be legal and regulated to protect consumers (they aren&#8217;t now and that is whyt we have too many overdoses, not to mention prohibition related violence).  SWAT teams should return to their original function: dealing with hostage/barricade situations and other critical incidents.  We&#8217;ll all be better off in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The entire criminal justice system is racist.  The motto of too many police officers is, &quot;If you are white, it will be alright.&quot;  Especially if you are white and rich.  By the way, I&#039;m white but not yet rich.  I&#039;m on the get rich slow program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire criminal justice system is racist.  The motto of too many police officers is, &#8220;If you are white, it will be alright.&#8221;  Especially if you are white and rich.  By the way, I&#8217;m white but not yet rich.  I&#8217;m on the get rich slow program.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand why they don&#039;t make sure the right guy is at home, or arrest him outside...check that, I do understand. Black lives are cheap, cheaper than hours it would take to do real police work. And, SWAT raids are FUN! Those guys wouldn&#039;t wan to do anything else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why they don&#8217;t make sure the right guy is at home, or arrest him outside&#8230;check that, I do understand. Black lives are cheap, cheaper than hours it would take to do real police work. And, SWAT raids are FUN! Those guys wouldn&#8217;t wan to do anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[//Maybe they should make the cops go into drug raids unarmed.//

The functions of rev&#039;nooers and peace officers need to be separated.  Such separation would improve both; the peace officers would be spared the corrupting influences of revenue enforcement, and the rev&#039;nooers would be spared some of the power associated with peace officers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//Maybe they should make the cops go into drug raids unarmed.//</p>
<p>The functions of rev&#8217;nooers and peace officers need to be separated.  Such separation would improve both; the peace officers would be spared the corrupting influences of revenue enforcement, and the rev&#8217;nooers would be spared some of the power associated with peace officers.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[//The thing is, legally speaking, whether we like it or not, a drug raid is just as justified as a hostage rescue.//

How so?  Cops are supposed to act in such fashion as to minimize the risk of harm to innocents.  In some hostage situations, the only way to minimize the risk of harm to innocent hostages is to engage in a full-strength assault.  Depending upon the mentality of the hostage-takers, doing anything less may increase the risk that they will kill the hostages.

Drug raids can claim no such justification.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//The thing is, legally speaking, whether we like it or not, a drug raid is just as justified as a hostage rescue.//</p>
<p>How so?  Cops are supposed to act in such fashion as to minimize the risk of harm to innocents.  In some hostage situations, the only way to minimize the risk of harm to innocent hostages is to engage in a full-strength assault.  Depending upon the mentality of the hostage-takers, doing anything less may increase the risk that they will kill the hostages.</p>
<p>Drug raids can claim no such justification.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanK</title>
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		<dc:creator>SusanK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Sam (#29) said what I was trying to say.  Just did a much better job with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sam (#29) said what I was trying to say.  Just did a much better job with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Windypundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windypundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[xyz123, Although I have to admit I didn&#039;t make the woman-holding-a-baby connection until now, I know the name Lon Horiuchi, and I&#039;m sure I&#039;m not the only other person here who does. We were outraged then, we&#039;re outraged now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xyz123, Although I have to admit I didn&#8217;t make the woman-holding-a-baby connection until now, I know the name Lon Horiuchi, and I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the only other person here who does. We were outraged then, we&#8217;re outraged now.</p>
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		<title>By: FWB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There ain&#039;t no good intentions clause in the Constitution.&quot; - FWB

A cop&#039;s job is to protect the people and to die FOR us not to kill us.  If a cop can&#039;t handle the situation without resorting to force, the cop should be terminated.

One of my unanswered questions is: &quot;Why did we need an amendment to ban alcohol but no amendment was needed to bans drugs?&quot;  It would appear that the laws banning &quot;drugs&quot; violate the Constitution or maybe those folks that pushed through the 18th amendment were just STOOOPID!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There ain&#8217;t no good intentions clause in the Constitution.&#8221; &#8211; FWB</p>
<p>A cop&#8217;s job is to protect the people and to die FOR us not to kill us.  If a cop can&#8217;t handle the situation without resorting to force, the cop should be terminated.</p>
<p>One of my unanswered questions is: &#8220;Why did we need an amendment to ban alcohol but no amendment was needed to bans drugs?&#8221;  It would appear that the laws banning &#8220;drugs&#8221; violate the Constitution or maybe those folks that pushed through the 18th amendment were just STOOOPID!</p>
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		<title>By: Danno49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danno49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for that very lucid post, Sam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that very lucid post, Sam.</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being justifiably scared is the difference between manslaughter and murder.  It is not the difference between guilty and innocent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being justifiably scared is the difference between manslaughter and murder.  It is not the difference between guilty and innocent.</p>
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		<title>By: xyz123</title>
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		<dc:creator>xyz123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[y&#039;all seem remarkably outraged by this. were you not paying attention when lon horiuchi walked away a free man? 

the precedent was set long ago. some animals are merely more equal than others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>y&#8217;all seem remarkably outraged by this. were you not paying attention when lon horiuchi walked away a free man? </p>
<p>the precedent was set long ago. some animals are merely more equal than others.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I follow the theory that primary responsibility for any action lies with the first individual you find going up a chain of events, not the tool.  So: the gun didn&#039;t discharge accidentally, it was the individual behind it.  If the cop were a tool, there would be a different individual responsible.  If his intelligence or supervisor is a tool, then the investigators or the chief are responsible, etc etc etc...which is how we say that leadership is responsible for the actions of subordinates.  What we&#039;ve done here is suggest that either no one is responsible (and that gunshots are acts of god) or that murder is morally justifiable in this instance.

It is impossible to believe that an infant and mother should be executed for being at home.  It has been suggested (by forum trolls I suppose) that it is appropriate that they die (the mother in this case) because they are drug addicts, drug dealers, welfare burdens, black, or not telepathic.  I believe it is important for us to require a statement of reason in situations like this.  Tell me *why* he is not responsible...for if he is not another is, and must be held accountable.  If the jury believes him morally correct I want it to be *very* clear that murder is reasonable in this context so we can dismantle their justification.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow the theory that primary responsibility for any action lies with the first individual you find going up a chain of events, not the tool.  So: the gun didn&#8217;t discharge accidentally, it was the individual behind it.  If the cop were a tool, there would be a different individual responsible.  If his intelligence or supervisor is a tool, then the investigators or the chief are responsible, etc etc etc&#8230;which is how we say that leadership is responsible for the actions of subordinates.  What we&#8217;ve done here is suggest that either no one is responsible (and that gunshots are acts of god) or that murder is morally justifiable in this instance.</p>
<p>It is impossible to believe that an infant and mother should be executed for being at home.  It has been suggested (by forum trolls I suppose) that it is appropriate that they die (the mother in this case) because they are drug addicts, drug dealers, welfare burdens, black, or not telepathic.  I believe it is important for us to require a statement of reason in situations like this.  Tell me *why* he is not responsible&#8230;for if he is not another is, and must be held accountable.  If the jury believes him morally correct I want it to be *very* clear that murder is reasonable in this context so we can dismantle their justification.</p>
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		<title>By: nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What really gets me every time this happens is that &lt;i&gt;nobody&lt;/i&gt; bothers to ask a very important question: &lt;b&gt;Is the DrugWar inherently racist?&lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s pretty obvious from reviewing its&#039; history that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drugwar.com/blackfiends.shtm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it was racist from the get-go.&lt;/a&gt; Like as not, the factor existed then, and it shows up in the racial composition of our prisons today. Like a &#039;fire and forget&#039; missile, the DrugWar has been trundling along for over 8 decades after its&#039; launch based upon &#039;yellow journalism&#039; and it seems only historians are able to point to its&#039; bigoted origins.

If more of the minority leadership of this country were to examine those origins, they&#039;d be more interested in shutting down the DrugWar instead of bemoaning the latest dead unarmed person of color. You&#039;d think, anyways...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really gets me every time this happens is that <i>nobody</i> bothers to ask a very important question: <b>Is the DrugWar inherently racist?</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty obvious from reviewing its&#8217; history that <a href="http://www.drugwar.com/blackfiends.shtm" rel="nofollow">it was racist from the get-go.</a> Like as not, the factor existed then, and it shows up in the racial composition of our prisons today. Like a &#8216;fire and forget&#8217; missile, the DrugWar has been trundling along for over 8 decades after its&#8217; launch based upon &#8216;yellow journalism&#8217; and it seems only historians are able to point to its&#8217; bigoted origins.</p>
<p>If more of the minority leadership of this country were to examine those origins, they&#8217;d be more interested in shutting down the DrugWar instead of bemoaning the latest dead unarmed person of color. You&#8217;d think, anyways&#8230;</p>
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