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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Edintally</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/31/the-race-today-3/comment-page-1/#comment-163276</link>
		<dc:creator>Edintally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Token,

The problem with your hypothesis is that white people, as a voting block, vote substantively (on the issues).  The studies I&#039;m aware of show that when faced between the choice of a white candidate and a black candidate, there is no significant difference.  That is to say there is not an overwhelming majority of white voters who vote for the white candidate.  Its roughly split, 50/50.

Where you see descriptive voting (voting for someone who looks like you or who you can personally identify with) is within minority communities, roughly 80/20 will vote for a minority candidate.  Of course, where minorities are majorities, they vote substantively as well.

Of course, that doesn&#039;t mean he won&#039;t lose.  It just means your hypothesis for why, is flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Token,</p>
<p>The problem with your hypothesis is that white people, as a voting block, vote substantively (on the issues).  The studies I&#8217;m aware of show that when faced between the choice of a white candidate and a black candidate, there is no significant difference.  That is to say there is not an overwhelming majority of white voters who vote for the white candidate.  Its roughly split, 50/50.</p>
<p>Where you see descriptive voting (voting for someone who looks like you or who you can personally identify with) is within minority communities, roughly 80/20 will vote for a minority candidate.  Of course, where minorities are majorities, they vote substantively as well.</p>
<p>Of course, that doesn&#8217;t mean he won&#8217;t lose.  It just means your hypothesis for why, is flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Vermont Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/31/the-race-today-3/comment-page-1/#comment-163091</link>
		<dc:creator>Vermont Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Obama should crush McCain; he will probably only pull off a (roughly) 5 or 6 point victory.

2.  If were McCain, I would throw as much money as I could to Bob Barr.  Right now, the story is that Barr will hurt McCain, but I am not really convinced.  First, would be Republican voters are more likely to close ranks in the end than would be Obama voters, esp. given Obama&#039;s flip-flops on a couple of issues that matter to his base (e.g., telecom immunity).  Second, the ACLU and MPP lobbyist running for president is the Republican&#039;s problem?  Libertarians should have learned something recently - there are a number of potential allies on the left.  Barr has surrounded himself with a bunch of conservative has-beens, but there is plenty of time for him to change his emphasis (unless, of course, he is interested in the same half a percent that Libertarian presidential candidates typically get).  I tend to think that if Ron Paul had run as a Democrat he would have stayed meaningfully in the thick of the race for quite a while (possibly barring his abortion position).  After all, it isn&#039;t Bushbots who are furious with Pelosi over the war, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Obama should crush McCain; he will probably only pull off a (roughly) 5 or 6 point victory.</p>
<p>2.  If were McCain, I would throw as much money as I could to Bob Barr.  Right now, the story is that Barr will hurt McCain, but I am not really convinced.  First, would be Republican voters are more likely to close ranks in the end than would be Obama voters, esp. given Obama&#8217;s flip-flops on a couple of issues that matter to his base (e.g., telecom immunity).  Second, the ACLU and MPP lobbyist running for president is the Republican&#8217;s problem?  Libertarians should have learned something recently &#8211; there are a number of potential allies on the left.  Barr has surrounded himself with a bunch of conservative has-beens, but there is plenty of time for him to change his emphasis (unless, of course, he is interested in the same half a percent that Libertarian presidential candidates typically get).  I tend to think that if Ron Paul had run as a Democrat he would have stayed meaningfully in the thick of the race for quite a while (possibly barring his abortion position).  After all, it isn&#8217;t Bushbots who are furious with Pelosi over the war, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/31/the-race-today-3/comment-page-1/#comment-162538</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t really help that McCain is 72 and looks every second of it. If he&#039;s elected (and I hope he isn&#039;t--America can&#039;t handle another 4 years of the current batch of Republicans, they need a shaking up), does it look like he&#039;ll last 4 years in office? I&#039;ve got to rule out 8 entirely.

If he&#039;s elected, the VP will be a very, very important position...and chances are, McCain will select someone considered more conservative by the base to counteract the &quot;renegade&quot; image that media lickspittles have given him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t really help that McCain is 72 and looks every second of it. If he&#8217;s elected (and I hope he isn&#8217;t&#8211;America can&#8217;t handle another 4 years of the current batch of Republicans, they need a shaking up), does it look like he&#8217;ll last 4 years in office? I&#8217;ve got to rule out 8 entirely.</p>
<p>If he&#8217;s elected, the VP will be a very, very important position&#8230;and chances are, McCain will select someone considered more conservative by the base to counteract the &#8220;renegade&#8221; image that media lickspittles have given him.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two things that McCain does not need. More media coverage and town hall meetings.

The more you see of him the less there is to like. And Obama will mop the floor with him in any public forum. Or even more likely, Obama can just stand there and let him mop the floor with himself.

Face facts. The Republican Party drove their ducks to this sad, sad pond.

Now let them swim in it for about 8 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two things that McCain does not need. More media coverage and town hall meetings.</p>
<p>The more you see of him the less there is to like. And Obama will mop the floor with him in any public forum. Or even more likely, Obama can just stand there and let him mop the floor with himself.</p>
<p>Face facts. The Republican Party drove their ducks to this sad, sad pond.</p>
<p>Now let them swim in it for about 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Tokin42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tokin42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just keep in mind that I&#039;ve been saying for months Obama is gonna lose and it will come as a major surprise and shock for the media.  There isn&#039;t a state he&#039;s going to win in the south and there are enough white blue collar dems in the north and midwest that will stay home rather than vote for &quot;the black guy&quot;.  We&#039;ll have to listen for months what a racist nation this is for not electing obama and republicans will get the blame.

#15 is right, with all the fawning he should be up big everywhere.  The fact is he polled much, much better than what his actual vote totals were throughout the primaries, and I&#039;m betting that doesn&#039;t change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just keep in mind that I&#8217;ve been saying for months Obama is gonna lose and it will come as a major surprise and shock for the media.  There isn&#8217;t a state he&#8217;s going to win in the south and there are enough white blue collar dems in the north and midwest that will stay home rather than vote for &#8220;the black guy&#8221;.  We&#8217;ll have to listen for months what a racist nation this is for not electing obama and republicans will get the blame.</p>
<p>#15 is right, with all the fawning he should be up big everywhere.  The fact is he polled much, much better than what his actual vote totals were throughout the primaries, and I&#8217;m betting that doesn&#8217;t change.</p>
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		<title>By: mgordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>mgordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;McCain is getting no coverage and hasn’t begun campaigning in earnest&quot;

I think that&#039;s the problem, Maverick HAS started campaigning in earnest.  He&#039;d better hope the ensuing media coverage doesn&#039;t backfire on him. It will be easier to tie McSurge to Bush if he uses the same campaign techniques.  Though I don&#039;t think calling voters and telling them BHO has a black baby will have the same effect as it did on McCain in 2000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;McCain is getting no coverage and hasn’t begun campaigning in earnest&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the problem, Maverick HAS started campaigning in earnest.  He&#8217;d better hope the ensuing media coverage doesn&#8217;t backfire on him. It will be easier to tie McSurge to Bush if he uses the same campaign techniques.  Though I don&#8217;t think calling voters and telling them BHO has a black baby will have the same effect as it did on McCain in 2000.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not a good sign when the Wall Street Journal runs an editorial that asks, &quot;Is McCain an Idiot?&quot;.  When Fox News asks the same question it will be over.  Then again Fox still thinks Bush is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not a good sign when the Wall Street Journal runs an editorial that asks, &#8220;Is McCain an Idiot?&#8221;.  When Fox News asks the same question it will be over.  Then again Fox still thinks Bush is great.</p>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... Obama has the media in the tank, is getting tabloid fawning, is still riding the coverage from the primary, McCain is getting no coverage and hasn&#039;t begun campaigning in earnest, and... Obama still can&#039;t break 50%?

And &lt;i&gt;McCain&lt;/i&gt; is the one in trouble?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; Obama has the media in the tank, is getting tabloid fawning, is still riding the coverage from the primary, McCain is getting no coverage and hasn&#8217;t begun campaigning in earnest, and&#8230; Obama still can&#8217;t break 50%?</p>
<p>And <i>McCain</i> is the one in trouble?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why so cruel to the legacy of AuH2O?</description>
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		<title>By: Col Verdex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Col Verdex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did you make the map?</description>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/31/the-race-today-3/comment-page-1/#comment-162141</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;...turn off the TV and go to bed–McCain has become Goldwater.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

If I thought that particular transformation were even remotely possible, I&#039;d actually consider voting for the SOB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;turn off the TV and go to bed–McCain has become Goldwater.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>If I thought that particular transformation were even remotely possible, I&#8217;d actually consider voting for the SOB.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nando: Look up the electoral college numbers from Reagan vs: Carter.&lt;/i&gt;

Or even the 1988 Bush vs. Dukakis results.

Frankly, I&#039;m hoping Barr, McKinney and Nader can win enough votes to through the &quot;election&quot; to the House of Representatives, which hasn&#039;t happened since 1824.  At least &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; might make the sham more interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nando: Look up the electoral college numbers from Reagan vs: Carter.</i></p>
<p>Or even the 1988 Bush vs. Dukakis results.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m hoping Barr, McKinney and Nader can win enough votes to through the &#8220;election&#8221; to the House of Representatives, which hasn&#8217;t happened since 1824.  At least <i>that</i> might make the sham more interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMcC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnMcC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful to hear from fellow O&#039;Bamabots.  About the map:  Montana and Nevada are very very questionable.  Indiana is very questionable unless Bayh is on the ticket--or works the state as if he were.  Missouri seems more likely to go Dem than Indiana IMHO.  Fla (where I am a Dem &#039;block captain&#039;) has a &#039;Defense of Marriage&#039; (for straight people) Amendment on the ballot which makes the Dem&#039;s job harder.  But if you&#039;re watching the election returns the night of 4 Nov and Barack wins Fla and Va, turn off the TV and go to bed--McCain has become Goldwater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful to hear from fellow O&#8217;Bamabots.  About the map:  Montana and Nevada are very very questionable.  Indiana is very questionable unless Bayh is on the ticket&#8211;or works the state as if he were.  Missouri seems more likely to go Dem than Indiana IMHO.  Fla (where I am a Dem &#8216;block captain&#8217;) has a &#8216;Defense of Marriage&#8217; (for straight people) Amendment on the ballot which makes the Dem&#8217;s job harder.  But if you&#8217;re watching the election returns the night of 4 Nov and Barack wins Fla and Va, turn off the TV and go to bed&#8211;McCain has become Goldwater.</p>
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		<title>By: perlhaqr</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/31/the-race-today-3/comment-page-1/#comment-162100</link>
		<dc:creator>perlhaqr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nando: Look up the electoral college numbers from Reagan vs: Carter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nando: Look up the electoral college numbers from Reagan vs: Carter.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edintally: Alaska&#039;s going to be the closest that it&#039;s been in a long time, but the smart money is on it staying Republican.  I think Obama has some plans to go visit there a few times, but on the list of states that will make the most difference, Alaska&#039;s 3 EV&#039;s are far less critical to be worrying about than Florida, NC, Virginia, Ohio, Nevada, and Colorado.  It would be a coup for the Democrats, to be sure, but I don&#039;t think they&#039;re going to spend much time or money on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edintally: Alaska&#8217;s going to be the closest that it&#8217;s been in a long time, but the smart money is on it staying Republican.  I think Obama has some plans to go visit there a few times, but on the list of states that will make the most difference, Alaska&#8217;s 3 EV&#8217;s are far less critical to be worrying about than Florida, NC, Virginia, Ohio, Nevada, and Colorado.  It would be a coup for the Democrats, to be sure, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re going to spend much time or money on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the reason why McCain is spending so much money right now is the same reason why Obama is: he&#039;s got to spend it before the conventions.  If they don&#039;t spend the money before they become the official nominee, they can&#039;t spend it at all.  

The fact that he has to spend it defending states that he should have in the bag, though, is not a good sign for him.  I saw somebody comment that McCain spends like crazy on TV ads while Obama is doing his spending with ground organizations.  It would be interesting to see how effective each will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the reason why McCain is spending so much money right now is the same reason why Obama is: he&#8217;s got to spend it before the conventions.  If they don&#8217;t spend the money before they become the official nominee, they can&#8217;t spend it at all.  </p>
<p>The fact that he has to spend it defending states that he should have in the bag, though, is not a good sign for him.  I saw somebody comment that McCain spends like crazy on TV ads while Obama is doing his spending with ground organizations.  It would be interesting to see how effective each will be.</p>
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		<title>By: ktc2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktc2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain = That doddering old uncle every family has who falls asleep in his mashed potatoes at Thanksgiving each year.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Obama has to do to win is not fuck anything up.  American&#039;s are celebrity-obsessed movie star worshipers.  The huge disparity in looks and age alone will put Obama in the White House.  McCain is also saddled with the disadvantage of being from the same party as Bush.  And, last but not least, McCain seems to give off a subtle aura of being a sleazy beady-eyed conniving self-obsessed con artist who would snatch babies out of their mother&#039;s arms and skewer them on bamboo spears if he thought it would help his ambitions.  I think we&#039;ll see more of that attitude as he becomes more desperate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Obama has to do to win is not fuck anything up.  American&#8217;s are celebrity-obsessed movie star worshipers.  The huge disparity in looks and age alone will put Obama in the White House.  McCain is also saddled with the disadvantage of being from the same party as Bush.  And, last but not least, McCain seems to give off a subtle aura of being a sleazy beady-eyed conniving self-obsessed con artist who would snatch babies out of their mother&#8217;s arms and skewer them on bamboo spears if he thought it would help his ambitions.  I think we&#8217;ll see more of that attitude as he becomes more desperate.</p>
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		<title>By: Edintally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edintally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone predicting Alaska will turn over given the recent scandal there?</description>
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		<title>By: ktc2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktc2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think the GOP deserves, and needs, to go the way of the Whigs.</description>
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