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	<title>Comments on: Botched Raid on Innocent Family Earns Cops Merit Badges</title>
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		<title>By: How they police in Minnesota &#124; Miscellaneous Heathen</title>
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		<dc:creator>How they police in Minnesota &#124; Miscellaneous Heathen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] if you raid the wrong house and shoot at innocent people in Minnesota? Yep, that&#8217;s right: you get a commendation. No one was held accountable at all.   This entry was posted in News by chet. Bookmark the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if you raid the wrong house and shoot at innocent people in Minnesota? Yep, that&#8217;s right: you get a commendation. No one was held accountable at all.   This entry was posted in News by chet. Bookmark the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How they police in Minnesota &#124; Miscellaneous Heathen</title>
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		<dc:creator>How they police in Minnesota &#124; Miscellaneous Heathen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] if you raid the wrong house and shoot at innocent people in Minnesota? Yep, that&#8217;s right: you get a commendation. No one was held accountable at all.   This entry was posted in News by admin. Bookmark the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: MarK Darvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarK Darvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few things:

a) For you Generation Kill watchers, the Capt. speech about not retreating under fire sounds just like Godfather’s speech after they almost called in a close fire mission.

b) Why are these guys such terrible shots? I’m thankfully no one in the house was injured, but c’mon. The homeowner hits his targets and these cowboys just shoot up the house and kill the sofa?

c) Does it really take 7 months to figure out you need to do some “policework” to collaborate the stories of criminal informants?


I stumbled onto your blog and read a few post. I like your style of writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things:</p>
<p>a) For you Generation Kill watchers, the Capt. speech about not retreating under fire sounds just like Godfather’s speech after they almost called in a close fire mission.</p>
<p>b) Why are these guys such terrible shots? I’m thankfully no one in the house was injured, but c’mon. The homeowner hits his targets and these cowboys just shoot up the house and kill the sofa?</p>
<p>c) Does it really take 7 months to figure out you need to do some “policework” to collaborate the stories of criminal informants?</p>
<p>I stumbled onto your blog and read a few post. I like your style of writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Weinbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Weinbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an OUTRAGE - giving medals to jack-booted thug goof-ups! They owe TRIBUTE to the innocent family they terrorized!  Moreover, as a Jewess in the US, I want to remind everyone that America wasn&#039;t won with a registered gun!  And, that criminals are stopped by FIREARMS, not by talk.  That is why all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an OUTRAGE &#8211; giving medals to jack-booted thug goof-ups! They owe TRIBUTE to the innocent family they terrorized!  Moreover, as a Jewess in the US, I want to remind everyone that America wasn&#8217;t won with a registered gun!  And, that criminals are stopped by FIREARMS, not by talk.  That is why all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST!</p>
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		<title>By: SWAT Team Honored For Raid On Wrong House - Page 7 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!</title>
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		<dc:creator>SWAT Team Honored For Raid On Wrong House - Page 7 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] article on this story w/ 911 call)  Botched Raid on Innocent Family Earns Cops Merit Badges   Last December, I posted about a botched SWAT raid on an innocent Minnesota family. Acting on bad [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: CSI</title>
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		<dc:creator>CSI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of when the crew of an American cruiser received combat medals for mistakenly shooting an Iranian civilian airliner in 1988.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of when the crew of an American cruiser received combat medals for mistakenly shooting an Iranian civilian airliner in 1988.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The City Council can pass an honorary resolution recognizing Khang’s efforts to protect his family. What argument would they now have for failing to do so?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, there is that check that they&#039;re going to -- sooner or later -- write to the Khang family.  If they do the honorable thing and recognize his brave defense of his family against unknown home invaders (which they were, up until the moment that the 911 operator explained to his wife that the home invaders were the police, at which point he put down his gun), that check will have more zeroes on it.

Which, of course, I&#039;ll have to help pay for; I live in Minneapolis, and we taxpayers get to foot the bill for MPD misbehavior.  Yay, us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The City Council can pass an honorary resolution recognizing Khang’s efforts to protect his family. What argument would they now have for failing to do so?</i></p>
<p>Well, there is that check that they&#8217;re going to &#8212; sooner or later &#8212; write to the Khang family.  If they do the honorable thing and recognize his brave defense of his family against unknown home invaders (which they were, up until the moment that the 911 operator explained to his wife that the home invaders were the police, at which point he put down his gun), that check will have more zeroes on it.</p>
<p>Which, of course, I&#8217;ll have to help pay for; I live in Minneapolis, and we taxpayers get to foot the bill for MPD misbehavior.  Yay, us.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hateful Anarchist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hateful Anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cops are nothing but state-sactioned crimimals with a badge.  It&#039;s time to stand up against these worthless bastards!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cops are nothing but state-sactioned crimimals with a badge.  It&#8217;s time to stand up against these worthless bastards!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It just gets worse and worse.  Where does this end?  Where is the tipping point?  What does it take for society as a whole to stand up and stop these sorts of atrocities?  My god, we fought a Revolution over far less.

If anyone has a good reason why we shouldn&#039;t view law enforcement as an occupying standing army I&#039;d like to hear it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just gets worse and worse.  Where does this end?  Where is the tipping point?  What does it take for society as a whole to stand up and stop these sorts of atrocities?  My god, we fought a Revolution over far less.</p>
<p>If anyone has a good reason why we shouldn&#8217;t view law enforcement as an occupying standing army I&#8217;d like to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Flack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd Flack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the police officers involved were honorable men they would have rejected the awards. In fact it would be quite reasonable for them to be offended by the offer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the police officers involved were honorable men they would have rejected the awards. In fact it would be quite reasonable for them to be offended by the offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Danno49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danno49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I didn’t realize how many people posted on here from Huntsville. I feel like Omega Man suddenly discovering other normal humans in a land of zombies.&lt;/i&gt;

Ditto, Dave.  But then again, who said I was normal?  ;)  

Living in a military town in the South is . . . interesting . . . to say the least.  It&#039;s like: America!  Fuck yeah! in most places you go.  Kind of scary.  Oh well, at least I&#039;m not paying out of my ass for everything like I was in California . . . yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I didn’t realize how many people posted on here from Huntsville. I feel like Omega Man suddenly discovering other normal humans in a land of zombies.</i></p>
<p>Ditto, Dave.  But then again, who said I was normal?  ;)  </p>
<p>Living in a military town in the South is . . . interesting . . . to say the least.  It&#8217;s like: America!  Fuck yeah! in most places you go.  Kind of scary.  Oh well, at least I&#8217;m not paying out of my ass for everything like I was in California . . . yet.</p>
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		<title>By: The Nominator</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Nominator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why doesn&#039;t Khang also qualify for an award of some sort from the city? He did everything the police did and more. Chief Dolan said, &quot;The officers put themselves in harm&#039;s way. They were shot at and shot and deserved to be recognized.&quot; 

Khang was also in harm&#039;s way and shot at and shot. But Khang actually went beyond the actions of the officers. Unlike the officers:

1. Khang had no special training (so far as I know).

2. Khang had no time to prepare for the raid.

3. Khang was where he was supposed to be (unlike the officers).

4. Khang had no back-up. He was on his own.

The City Council can pass an honorary resolution recognizing Khang&#039;s efforts to protect his family. What argument would they now have for failing to do so?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t Khang also qualify for an award of some sort from the city? He did everything the police did and more. Chief Dolan said, &#8220;The officers put themselves in harm&#8217;s way. They were shot at and shot and deserved to be recognized.&#8221; </p>
<p>Khang was also in harm&#8217;s way and shot at and shot. But Khang actually went beyond the actions of the officers. Unlike the officers:</p>
<p>1. Khang had no special training (so far as I know).</p>
<p>2. Khang had no time to prepare for the raid.</p>
<p>3. Khang was where he was supposed to be (unlike the officers).</p>
<p>4. Khang had no back-up. He was on his own.</p>
<p>The City Council can pass an honorary resolution recognizing Khang&#8217;s efforts to protect his family. What argument would they now have for failing to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t realize how many people posted on here from Huntsville.  I feel like Omega Man suddenly discovering other normal humans in a land of zombies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize how many people posted on here from Huntsville.  I feel like Omega Man suddenly discovering other normal humans in a land of zombies.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even supposing that the cops in this case did act correctly and with valor, isn&#039;t it in really awful taste to give them medals when the undisputed fact is that they did terrorize a completely innocent family?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even supposing that the cops in this case did act correctly and with valor, isn&#8217;t it in really awful taste to give them medals when the undisputed fact is that they did terrorize a completely innocent family?</p>
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		<title>By: InFrequently Asked Questions</title>
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		<dc:creator>InFrequently Asked Questions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Minneapolis Cops Get Medals For Raid On Wrong House!...&lt;/strong&gt;

h/t: Radley Balko...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Minneapolis Cops Get Medals For Raid On Wrong House!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>h/t: Radley Balko&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Danno49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danno49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave and Thomas,

It was in the Rants And Raves section of Huntsville Craigslist.  The specific post where I got the quote came from here:

http://huntsville.craigslist.org/rnr/756780557.html

There are some other posts on the subject before and after and it gets confusing as to what is what because it is not truly threaded.  CL R&amp;R is not to be taken seriously, I know, but I was posting something there (if you want to laugh perhaps check my post To the old man with the cane that lapped me - you may find it amusing) and saw a bunch of stuff about corrupt cops and the like and, well, my curiosity was piqued.  I had to have a gander.  And was promptly disgusted by a lot of what I found, mostly the attitudes and out and out racism.  I don&#039;t follow local news as much as I should so I have never heard of anything they are talking about with regard to the jails, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave and Thomas,</p>
<p>It was in the Rants And Raves section of Huntsville Craigslist.  The specific post where I got the quote came from here:</p>
<p><a href="http://huntsville.craigslist.org/rnr/756780557.html" rel="nofollow">http://huntsville.craigslist.org/rnr/756780557.html</a></p>
<p>There are some other posts on the subject before and after and it gets confusing as to what is what because it is not truly threaded.  CL R&amp;R is not to be taken seriously, I know, but I was posting something there (if you want to laugh perhaps check my post To the old man with the cane that lapped me &#8211; you may find it amusing) and saw a bunch of stuff about corrupt cops and the like and, well, my curiosity was piqued.  I had to have a gander.  And was promptly disgusted by a lot of what I found, mostly the attitudes and out and out racism.  I don&#8217;t follow local news as much as I should so I have never heard of anything they are talking about with regard to the jails, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan, Susan, Susan...would you please goose step this way into the re-education camp?

Please stop bringing up these kinds of things, it only upsets the police officers, and as we can see, they aren&#039;t too bright, are armed and face no down side to shooting you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, Susan, Susan&#8230;would you please goose step this way into the re-education camp?</p>
<p>Please stop bringing up these kinds of things, it only upsets the police officers, and as we can see, they aren&#8217;t too bright, are armed and face no down side to shooting you.</p>
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		<title>By: claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Im embarrassed to be a Minnesotan today. This is just plain ridiculous. :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im embarrassed to be a Minnesotan today. This is just plain ridiculous. :(</p>
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		<title>By: SusanK</title>
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		<dc:creator>SusanK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couple things:
1.  The current police chief was the assistant chief when he awarded a medal of valor to an officer for shooting a citizen (apparently causing all kinds of community outrage and leading to the actual chief to demand that the officer return his medal).
2.  How is the shooting &quot;courageous&quot;, let alone lawful?  In a lot of jurisdictions, you can meet lethal force with lethal force ONLY if you can not retreat safely.  Wouldn&#039;t the valiant thing to do be to retreat from the home, establish a perimeter, talk to the people inside, etc, rather than risk officer and civilian lives?  Plus, if my shooting isn&#039;t justified, why would an officer&#039;s be justified under the law?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple things:<br />
1.  The current police chief was the assistant chief when he awarded a medal of valor to an officer for shooting a citizen (apparently causing all kinds of community outrage and leading to the actual chief to demand that the officer return his medal).<br />
2.  How is the shooting &#8220;courageous&#8221;, let alone lawful?  In a lot of jurisdictions, you can meet lethal force with lethal force ONLY if you can not retreat safely.  Wouldn&#8217;t the valiant thing to do be to retreat from the home, establish a perimeter, talk to the people inside, etc, rather than risk officer and civilian lives?  Plus, if my shooting isn&#8217;t justified, why would an officer&#8217;s be justified under the law?</p>
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		<title>By: HtownGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>HtownGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Does the Minneapolis police department have a room numbered 101?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe not, but the Feds have Guantanamo, and Syria, and Egypt, etc.  And the Telecoms are immune to criminally spying on you, and the commercial airlines are pitching in with transport.  And Due Process has become the-president-says-so.  We&#039;re kind of far along to turn back the clock on this stuff peacefully.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does the Minneapolis police department have a room numbered 101?</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe not, but the Feds have Guantanamo, and Syria, and Egypt, etc.  And the Telecoms are immune to criminally spying on you, and the commercial airlines are pitching in with transport.  And Due Process has become the-president-says-so.  We&#8217;re kind of far along to turn back the clock on this stuff peacefully.</p>
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