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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: nicrivera</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-160498</link>
		<dc:creator>nicrivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Onion summed up the war debate rather nicely back in March 2003.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I think the &quot;pro-war&quot; argument left a few things out, such as:

- If you oppose the war, you&#039;re a Saddam Hussein appeaser.

- If you oppose the war, you must be a leftwing socialist.

- If you oppose the war, you&#039;re unpatriotic.

- It&#039;s your right to oppose the war.  But once the war starts and our troops are in harm&#039;s way, you had best keep you anti-war opinions to yourself.

- Iraq...9/11...Iraq...9/11...Iraq...9/11...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Onion summed up the war debate rather nicely back in March 2003.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I think the &#8220;pro-war&#8221; argument left a few things out, such as:</p>
<p>- If you oppose the war, you&#8217;re a Saddam Hussein appeaser.</p>
<p>- If you oppose the war, you must be a leftwing socialist.</p>
<p>- If you oppose the war, you&#8217;re unpatriotic.</p>
<p>- It&#8217;s your right to oppose the war.  But once the war starts and our troops are in harm&#8217;s way, you had best keep you anti-war opinions to yourself.</p>
<p>- Iraq&#8230;9/11&#8230;Iraq&#8230;9/11&#8230;Iraq&#8230;9/11&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bronwyn</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-160089</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you fucking kidding me?!?

“It&#039;s a big concern for the officers to keep this guy out of traffic, to keep him from getting hurt,” 

So, what? An ambulance, backer board and a stretcher didn&#039;t cross anyone&#039;s mind?!?

Let&#039;s taze &#039;em. Yeah, that&#039;ll get &#039;em on his feet and off the road right quick. God damn f....

see? can&#039;t be coherent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you fucking kidding me?!?</p>
<p>“It&#8217;s a big concern for the officers to keep this guy out of traffic, to keep him from getting hurt,” </p>
<p>So, what? An ambulance, backer board and a stretcher didn&#8217;t cross anyone&#8217;s mind?!?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s taze &#8216;em. Yeah, that&#8217;ll get &#8216;em on his feet and off the road right quick. God damn f&#8230;.</p>
<p>see? can&#8217;t be coherent</p>
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		<title>By: Bronwyn</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-160088</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t gather any coherent expression of anger over the tasering story, so I&#039;ll go easy on myself.

The Nirvana baby is 17?!?! Shit, that makes me feel old.

I still have my cassette tape of that Nirvana album, purchased in the magical kingdom of Saud. The baby on that cover is wearing a white-out painted diaper. Yessir, can&#039;t have any naked baby pee-pees showing... could excite someone. Didn&#039;t know &#039;til I returned stateside for vacation that the baby was supposed to be naked. Oh, and Suzanne Vega is wearing black leggings and long sleeves in the liner notes to 99.9F.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t gather any coherent expression of anger over the tasering story, so I&#8217;ll go easy on myself.</p>
<p>The Nirvana baby is 17?!?! Shit, that makes me feel old.</p>
<p>I still have my cassette tape of that Nirvana album, purchased in the magical kingdom of Saud. The baby on that cover is wearing a white-out painted diaper. Yessir, can&#8217;t have any naked baby pee-pees showing&#8230; could excite someone. Didn&#8217;t know &#8217;til I returned stateside for vacation that the baby was supposed to be naked. Oh, and Suzanne Vega is wearing black leggings and long sleeves in the liner notes to 99.9F.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159944</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#27 &quot;Perhaps the quantity of tazings was an effort to stop his heart&quot;

Wow.  That is a chilling statement and as the primary witnesses to what happened appear to be the officers themselves it may be impossible to disprove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27 &#8220;Perhaps the quantity of tazings was an effort to stop his heart&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.  That is a chilling statement and as the primary witnesses to what happened appear to be the officers themselves it may be impossible to disprove.</p>
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		<title>By: Kolohe</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159904</link>
		<dc:creator>Kolohe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the assist above. I too didn&#039;t see what was up with the logo (and I don&#039;t think the tonight show did either - or at least whomever submitted it - I think they were pointing out the unfortunate wording of the bottom (what was not supposed to be a) tag line.

But now that I see it. there&#039;s no way that was an accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the assist above. I too didn&#8217;t see what was up with the logo (and I don&#8217;t think the tonight show did either &#8211; or at least whomever submitted it &#8211; I think they were pointing out the unfortunate wording of the bottom (what was not supposed to be a) tag line.</p>
<p>But now that I see it. there&#8217;s no way that was an accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Tokin42</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159885</link>
		<dc:creator>Tokin42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Police say although there are several unanswered questions; the reason for the use of a stun gun is not one of them. 

My favorite part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Police say although there are several unanswered questions; the reason for the use of a stun gun is not one of them. </p>
<p>My favorite part.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Pat Cornwallis</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159813</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Cornwallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Analysis: US is now winning Iraq war that seemed lost; focus finally shifts from combat
By ROBERT BURNS and ROBERT H. REID , Associated Press 

I think GWB should be the poster child for standing firm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Analysis: US is now winning Iraq war that seemed lost; focus finally shifts from combat<br />
By ROBERT BURNS and ROBERT H. REID , Associated Press </p>
<p>I think GWB should be the poster child for standing firm.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159799</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 05:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about cops like Paul Kersey (Charles Bronson in Deathwise) and Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about cops like Paul Kersey (Charles Bronson in Deathwise) and Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry).</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159798</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;#8 Your numbers might be a bit too optimistic when you consider the burn out rate for officers.&#039;

I&#039;m an optimistic kinda guy! I think a huge contributor to burn out is the &#039;serve and collect&#039; mentality- it&#039;s all about ticket revenue and &#039;self-initiated arrests&#039;... Our city recently put into service motorcycle cops- they&#039;re supposed to fill a ticket book a day! and they&#039;re doing just that...

&#039;On the other hand, I know for a fact that the officers who post over at ratemycop are 100% above board and honest to a fault. They assure me that except for 1% (of 800,000 officers), the rest of their brothers are just like them.&#039;

it&#039;s not corruption until they&#039;re caught. &#039;Testilying&#039; is an effective strategy to reduce crime, not lying under oath. &#039;Ghost tickets&#039; is a way to &#039;get&#039; someone who needed to be messed with, not writing fake tickets to abuse authority. Letting another officer off the hook is &#039;professional courtesy&#039; not covering up a crime. Of course they&#039;re 100% above board. They just don&#039;t say which board they&#039;re above...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;#8 Your numbers might be a bit too optimistic when you consider the burn out rate for officers.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an optimistic kinda guy! I think a huge contributor to burn out is the &#8216;serve and collect&#8217; mentality- it&#8217;s all about ticket revenue and &#8216;self-initiated arrests&#8217;&#8230; Our city recently put into service motorcycle cops- they&#8217;re supposed to fill a ticket book a day! and they&#8217;re doing just that&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;On the other hand, I know for a fact that the officers who post over at ratemycop are 100% above board and honest to a fault. They assure me that except for 1% (of 800,000 officers), the rest of their brothers are just like them.&#8217;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not corruption until they&#8217;re caught. &#8216;Testilying&#8217; is an effective strategy to reduce crime, not lying under oath. &#8216;Ghost tickets&#8217; is a way to &#8216;get&#8217; someone who needed to be messed with, not writing fake tickets to abuse authority. Letting another officer off the hook is &#8216;professional courtesy&#8217; not covering up a crime. Of course they&#8217;re 100% above board. They just don&#8217;t say which board they&#8217;re above&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: thorn</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159789</link>
		<dc:creator>thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Fine, next time your sister/mother/wife/dog is being robbed/raped/attacked we won’t come to help you, or we’ll take an extra long time getting there - take that lowly serf!”&lt;/i&gt;

If and when the time comes that someone tries to break in my house and rob/rape/attack someone, I won&#039;t be calling the police. I&#039;ll be chambering a round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Fine, next time your sister/mother/wife/dog is being robbed/raped/attacked we won’t come to help you, or we’ll take an extra long time getting there &#8211; take that lowly serf!”</i></p>
<p>If and when the time comes that someone tries to break in my house and rob/rape/attack someone, I won&#8217;t be calling the police. I&#8217;ll be chambering a round.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159779</link>
		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Fine, next time your sister/mother/wife/dog is being robbed/raped/attacked we won’t come to help you, or we’ll take an extra long time getting there - take that lowly serf!”&lt;/i&gt;

I wonder if those who would say such things (and they exist) realize that they&#039;re openly admitting that they put personal interests above the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Fine, next time your sister/mother/wife/dog is being robbed/raped/attacked we won’t come to help you, or we’ll take an extra long time getting there &#8211; take that lowly serf!”</i></p>
<p>I wonder if those who would say such things (and they exist) realize that they&#8217;re openly admitting that they put personal interests above the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another taser incident in Missouri where I live yesterday:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Jul/20080726News003.asp

The taser victim is hospitalized with critical condition.

This happened while Columbia was hotly debating a federal grant to purchase even more taser&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another taser incident in Missouri where I live yesterday:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Jul/20080726News003.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Jul/20080726News003.asp</a></p>
<p>The taser victim is hospitalized with critical condition.</p>
<p>This happened while Columbia was hotly debating a federal grant to purchase even more taser&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159723</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there were more cops like Frank Serpico, Joseph McNamera, and Ralph Salerno this s--t just wouldn&#039;t *happen.*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there were more cops like Frank Serpico, Joseph McNamera, and Ralph Salerno this s&#8211;t just wouldn&#8217;t *happen.*</p>
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		<title>By: The Johnny Appleseed Of Crack</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159721</link>
		<dc:creator>The Johnny Appleseed Of Crack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brown Acid,
There is an easy response to that.  

Just because police officers perform some necessary and beneficial functions within society, that does not excuse them from behaving like thugs.

If an E.R. surgeon saves the lives of several people who were in a bad car crash, that does not authorize him to go out and drunk drive all over town.  

You don&#039;t need to take the good with the bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown Acid,<br />
There is an easy response to that.  </p>
<p>Just because police officers perform some necessary and beneficial functions within society, that does not excuse them from behaving like thugs.</p>
<p>If an E.R. surgeon saves the lives of several people who were in a bad car crash, that does not authorize him to go out and drunk drive all over town.  </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to take the good with the bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159720</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck. Tha. Po-lice.

Further, deponent sayeth not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck. Tha. Po-lice.</p>
<p>Further, deponent sayeth not.</p>
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		<title>By: the brown acid</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159712</link>
		<dc:creator>the brown acid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn it Chris, you crossed the line. Now some idiot apologist for the thugs in blue is going to come in here and be like

&quot;Fine, next time your sister/mother/wife/dog is being robbed/raped/attacked we won&#039;t come to help you, or we&#039;ll take an extra long time getting there - take that lowly serf!&quot;

or some variation of that for the millionth time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn it Chris, you crossed the line. Now some idiot apologist for the thugs in blue is going to come in here and be like</p>
<p>&#8220;Fine, next time your sister/mother/wife/dog is being robbed/raped/attacked we won&#8217;t come to help you, or we&#8217;ll take an extra long time getting there &#8211; take that lowly serf!&#8221;</p>
<p>or some variation of that for the millionth time.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in AL</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159706</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police are disgusting and worthless cowards.  I am tired of the &quot;few bad apples&quot; argument.  It is old and stale.  It is bullshit,  You are not heros.  You are not protectors.  You are worthless c*cksuckers.  You do not have even the most basic concepts of decency or honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police are disgusting and worthless cowards.  I am tired of the &#8220;few bad apples&#8221; argument.  It is old and stale.  It is bullshit,  You are not heros.  You are not protectors.  You are worthless c*cksuckers.  You do not have even the most basic concepts of decency or honor.</p>
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		<title>By: the brown acid</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/26/saturday-linksopen-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-159696</link>
		<dc:creator>the brown acid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sydney Carton:

&quot;My speculation on what happened to the kid:

Police saw him walking alone on a busy highway, pulled over to question him, he didn’t want to be questioned by them, they tazered him, causing him to fall over the edge. They found him injured and tazered him some more.&quot;


Sadly, that&#039;s probably pretty close to the truth. Perhaps the quantity of tazings was an effort to stop his heart, to keep the boy from squealing on them, knowing full well that if the boy was dead they could make up any story they wanted and the Authoritarian types would just eat it up and say &quot;Fukkin kid got what he deserved blah blah blah&quot;. 

Would explain why their story/coverup is in such disarray and reeks of bullshit. They were in a hurry to come up with something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sydney Carton:</p>
<p>&#8220;My speculation on what happened to the kid:</p>
<p>Police saw him walking alone on a busy highway, pulled over to question him, he didn’t want to be questioned by them, they tazered him, causing him to fall over the edge. They found him injured and tazered him some more.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadly, that&#8217;s probably pretty close to the truth. Perhaps the quantity of tazings was an effort to stop his heart, to keep the boy from squealing on them, knowing full well that if the boy was dead they could make up any story they wanted and the Authoritarian types would just eat it up and say &#8220;Fukkin kid got what he deserved blah blah blah&#8221;. </p>
<p>Would explain why their story/coverup is in such disarray and reeks of bullshit. They were in a hurry to come up with something.</p>
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		<title>By: Sydney Carton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sydney Carton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My speculation on what happened to the kid:

Police saw him walking alone on a busy highway, pulled over to question him, he didn&#039;t want to be questioned by them, they tazered him, causing him to fall over the edge.  They found him injured and tazered him some more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My speculation on what happened to the kid:</p>
<p>Police saw him walking alone on a busy highway, pulled over to question him, he didn&#8217;t want to be questioned by them, they tazered him, causing him to fall over the edge.  They found him injured and tazered him some more.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this is an open thread, I was wondering if anyone saw the story on 20/20 last night about Rachel Hoffman, the girl that the Tallahassee cops set up to conduct a drug sting that got her killed.  I thought it was handled quite well.  The police chief looked like a real dick head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this is an open thread, I was wondering if anyone saw the story on 20/20 last night about Rachel Hoffman, the girl that the Tallahassee cops set up to conduct a drug sting that got her killed.  I thought it was handled quite well.  The police chief looked like a real dick head.</p>
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