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	<title>Comments on: The Starving Obese</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: chance</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/20/10315/comment-page-1/#comment-156365</link>
		<dc:creator>chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked at Wal-Mart.  The benefits and pay really weren&#039;t that good.  It beat being unemployed, no doubt.  It also beat working as a customer service rep for visa.  Still, I can think of several reasons why working for a small business might be better, even if the pay is the same or somewhat worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked at Wal-Mart.  The benefits and pay really weren&#8217;t that good.  It beat being unemployed, no doubt.  It also beat working as a customer service rep for visa.  Still, I can think of several reasons why working for a small business might be better, even if the pay is the same or somewhat worse.</p>
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		<title>By: dagamore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/20/10315/comment-page-1/#comment-156205</link>
		<dc:creator>dagamore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt ref # 27

You do know how many times Wal-Mart has been sued for failing to pay its workers overtime/unaided work time/too few hours per week to qualify for any benefits.  It is often an un-written rule at Wal-Mart&#039;s to only allow people to work 28.5 hours a week so that they dont have to give any workers (other then management) any sort of benefits.  But dont let some of the facts get in your way of Wal-Mart love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt ref # 27</p>
<p>You do know how many times Wal-Mart has been sued for failing to pay its workers overtime/unaided work time/too few hours per week to qualify for any benefits.  It is often an un-written rule at Wal-Mart&#8217;s to only allow people to work 28.5 hours a week so that they dont have to give any workers (other then management) any sort of benefits.  But dont let some of the facts get in your way of Wal-Mart love.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that I&#039;ve gotten MY lazy ass up and started walking and swimming at the local pool more. Lost 5 pounds in two weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that I&#8217;ve gotten MY lazy ass up and started walking and swimming at the local pool more. Lost 5 pounds in two weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/20/10315/comment-page-1/#comment-156063</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I moved back from NC to FL in 2006, I was 199 pounds. Within no time I was up to 240. In NC, I had no car and had to walk everywhere I went. I ate philly cheese steaks, meatball subs and stopped by the local pub for at least 3 beers a night. Not the healthiest diet but it proves that it&#039;s the exercise that makes a difference. These ladies obviously don&#039;t exercise and by the attitude in the piece, really don&#039;t care to. I don&#039;t feel sorry for their plight one bit. Walk a bit, get a job and bring yourself up.

As far as a food co-op, good luck. I had a friend who in college was a big liberal idealist and Food Not Bombs member. He actively tried to work with the inner city communities to set up co-ops and such but they had no interest or more importantly, they didn&#039;t want to work at bettering their situation and community. While he didn&#039;t turn into a big conservative (he&#039;s too smart for that), he got more than a little disillusioned. If these people don&#039;t want to take care of themselves, fine, but don&#039;t expect a handout to subsidize your shitty lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I moved back from NC to FL in 2006, I was 199 pounds. Within no time I was up to 240. In NC, I had no car and had to walk everywhere I went. I ate philly cheese steaks, meatball subs and stopped by the local pub for at least 3 beers a night. Not the healthiest diet but it proves that it&#8217;s the exercise that makes a difference. These ladies obviously don&#8217;t exercise and by the attitude in the piece, really don&#8217;t care to. I don&#8217;t feel sorry for their plight one bit. Walk a bit, get a job and bring yourself up.</p>
<p>As far as a food co-op, good luck. I had a friend who in college was a big liberal idealist and Food Not Bombs member. He actively tried to work with the inner city communities to set up co-ops and such but they had no interest or more importantly, they didn&#8217;t want to work at bettering their situation and community. While he didn&#8217;t turn into a big conservative (he&#8217;s too smart for that), he got more than a little disillusioned. If these people don&#8217;t want to take care of themselves, fine, but don&#8217;t expect a handout to subsidize your shitty lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I actually remember a time when there was a hardware store, and a grocery, and a outdoor goods store, a furniture store, a haberdasher, a shoe store, and craft store, and all of the other small businesses a wal-mart replaces.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Blaming Wal-mart for the collapse of haberdashery is a bit rich.&lt;blockquote&gt;Those proprietors worked hard and had a place in society.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Wal-mart employees work hard and have a place in society.&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe its worthwhile to pay more for goods and support your real community!&lt;/blockquote&gt;Maybe it&#039;s not worthwhile to pay more for goods out of a sense of nostalgia.&lt;blockquote&gt;After all, sales tax doesn’t help pay a working mans wage.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Wal-mart pays their employees, you know. In fact, I&#039;d bet that Wal-mart pays better and offers more benefits than the mom and pop store it replaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I actually remember a time when there was a hardware store, and a grocery, and a outdoor goods store, a furniture store, a haberdasher, a shoe store, and craft store, and all of the other small businesses a wal-mart replaces.</p></blockquote>
<p>Blaming Wal-mart for the collapse of haberdashery is a bit rich.<br />
<blockquote>Those proprietors worked hard and had a place in society.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wal-mart employees work hard and have a place in society.<br />
<blockquote>Maybe its worthwhile to pay more for goods and support your real community!</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s not worthwhile to pay more for goods out of a sense of nostalgia.<br />
<blockquote>After all, sales tax doesn’t help pay a working mans wage.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wal-mart pays their employees, you know. In fact, I&#8217;d bet that Wal-mart pays better and offers more benefits than the mom and pop store it replaced.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy Dragon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/20/10315/comment-page-1/#comment-155835</link>
		<dc:creator>Stormy Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be a bad person, but when I saw the &#039;For Some Ohioans, Even Meat is Out of Reach&#039; with that picture under it, my first thought was a mental image of one of those women sitting at a table with a big steak in front of them, desperately trying to reach it, but being unable to do so because their gut won&#039;t let them move close enough for their arms to reach it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be a bad person, but when I saw the &#8216;For Some Ohioans, Even Meat is Out of Reach&#8217; with that picture under it, my first thought was a mental image of one of those women sitting at a table with a big steak in front of them, desperately trying to reach it, but being unable to do so because their gut won&#8217;t let them move close enough for their arms to reach it.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annemg - Will you please come do my grocery shopping for me? We&#039;re apparently not so great at list making!  Of course, in college I really only spent about $100 a month on food for myself at the grocery, so I&#039;m going to blame my girlfriend :-).

Here in San Antonio there are a few major structural problems for folks in the slums. 

1) They lack transit and the public transit here sucks.  In the impoverished areas of town it can take over two hours one way to the nearest decent grocery.  Do you have five hours to spend grocery shopping?  I don&#039;t.  There are some neighborhood bodegas and things, but that kind of leads us into 

2) The food culture isn&#039;t particularly healthy here, especially in low-income areas.  A lot of tex-mex really is delicious, but is also extremely calorie dense.  It&#039;s the same food people have been cooking and eating for generations, rice and beans go a long way.  That kind of thing isn&#039;t an issue when you&#039;re doing physical labor, but when you&#039;re mostly sedantary you&#039;re going to get fat.  And fresh fruits/vegetables aren&#039;t on the radar for some folks in those areas of town.

3) In addition, a lot of folks in those neighborhoods don&#039;t have much of an idea what to do with fresh fruits and vegetables.  No idea how to cook them, no idea that they can be good.  That kind of thing is a new introduction to their diet - remember the first time you ate, say, Indian food?  Did you look at the menu and try to guess what things were?  If you&#039;re a naturally adventurous eater it was probably not too bad, but if (like me) you&#039;ve had to work up to adventurous eating over the years then it might&#039;ve been kind of scary.  Fresh vegetables are that way to some people.

4) As a result, the groceries in those neighborhoods often carry lower quality produce.  HEB is the only grocery game in town other than the Wal-Mart and Target super centers so they can get away with it.  Some med students I know were pretty shocked to find a paltry selection of moldy and rotting fuits, so was I.  It&#039;s not really a conspiracy (if they don&#039;t think it&#039;ll sell, why would the HEB stock their quality produce there?) but it is a problem.  Further, Wal-Mart and Target are often a long way out of those neighborhoods so see #1.  

That combination of factors along with social pressures not to change (from their neighbors and friends) can make it pretty difficult for folks in low-income areas to improve their health.  The health science center here is working with Good Samaritan in the neighborhood to start the process of changing some of those things, but it takes awhile.  In the mean time, the folks in the neighborhood keep eating at the Malt House where you can get a burger, fries and a tea for $2.95.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annemg &#8211; Will you please come do my grocery shopping for me? We&#8217;re apparently not so great at list making!  Of course, in college I really only spent about $100 a month on food for myself at the grocery, so I&#8217;m going to blame my girlfriend :-).</p>
<p>Here in San Antonio there are a few major structural problems for folks in the slums. </p>
<p>1) They lack transit and the public transit here sucks.  In the impoverished areas of town it can take over two hours one way to the nearest decent grocery.  Do you have five hours to spend grocery shopping?  I don&#8217;t.  There are some neighborhood bodegas and things, but that kind of leads us into </p>
<p>2) The food culture isn&#8217;t particularly healthy here, especially in low-income areas.  A lot of tex-mex really is delicious, but is also extremely calorie dense.  It&#8217;s the same food people have been cooking and eating for generations, rice and beans go a long way.  That kind of thing isn&#8217;t an issue when you&#8217;re doing physical labor, but when you&#8217;re mostly sedantary you&#8217;re going to get fat.  And fresh fruits/vegetables aren&#8217;t on the radar for some folks in those areas of town.</p>
<p>3) In addition, a lot of folks in those neighborhoods don&#8217;t have much of an idea what to do with fresh fruits and vegetables.  No idea how to cook them, no idea that they can be good.  That kind of thing is a new introduction to their diet &#8211; remember the first time you ate, say, Indian food?  Did you look at the menu and try to guess what things were?  If you&#8217;re a naturally adventurous eater it was probably not too bad, but if (like me) you&#8217;ve had to work up to adventurous eating over the years then it might&#8217;ve been kind of scary.  Fresh vegetables are that way to some people.</p>
<p>4) As a result, the groceries in those neighborhoods often carry lower quality produce.  HEB is the only grocery game in town other than the Wal-Mart and Target super centers so they can get away with it.  Some med students I know were pretty shocked to find a paltry selection of moldy and rotting fuits, so was I.  It&#8217;s not really a conspiracy (if they don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll sell, why would the HEB stock their quality produce there?) but it is a problem.  Further, Wal-Mart and Target are often a long way out of those neighborhoods so see #1.  </p>
<p>That combination of factors along with social pressures not to change (from their neighbors and friends) can make it pretty difficult for folks in low-income areas to improve their health.  The health science center here is working with Good Samaritan in the neighborhood to start the process of changing some of those things, but it takes awhile.  In the mean time, the folks in the neighborhood keep eating at the Malt House where you can get a burger, fries and a tea for $2.95.</p>
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		<title>By: Tami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;But it looks like with these two women, the “no access to fresh food” argument doesn’t apply, either.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Really, Radley!!

I looked at that map you supplied and Fostoria is at least 10 or 15 miles from the nearest Walmart.  How do you expect these women to get to that Walmart to get their groceries?  On the grand scheme of things it is fairly close, but not if you don&#039;t have a car or public transportation.  

What they really should do is start a food coop.  Grow food in a coop garden with some other people.  Or see if they can carpool with others to Walmart once a week.  Did you know you can buy seeds for a garden with food stamps? These women need the exercise anyway.  Gardening is great exercise.  Not only that it would get them doing something and make them feel productive.  Lots of times when people are stuck in bad situations it is hard for them to feel like they have any control over their lives and this would be a great way for them to be able to have some kind of control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;But it looks like with these two women, the “no access to fresh food” argument doesn’t apply, either.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Really, Radley!!</p>
<p>I looked at that map you supplied and Fostoria is at least 10 or 15 miles from the nearest Walmart.  How do you expect these women to get to that Walmart to get their groceries?  On the grand scheme of things it is fairly close, but not if you don&#8217;t have a car or public transportation.  </p>
<p>What they really should do is start a food coop.  Grow food in a coop garden with some other people.  Or see if they can carpool with others to Walmart once a week.  Did you know you can buy seeds for a garden with food stamps? These women need the exercise anyway.  Gardening is great exercise.  Not only that it would get them doing something and make them feel productive.  Lots of times when people are stuck in bad situations it is hard for them to feel like they have any control over their lives and this would be a great way for them to be able to have some kind of control.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojotron3000</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/20/10315/comment-page-1/#comment-155820</link>
		<dc:creator>Mojotron3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not exactly sure what point NPR’s making in profiling them.&lt;/i&gt;

That this is how &quot;real&quot; people think and operate.  If NPR looked harder, they could&#039;ve probably found more sympathetic characters; skinnier, better sob story, a more polished speaker, etc... and then slapped some vaseline on the lens and gone for the heartstrings like a Diane Sawyer (&quot;today&#039;s Diane Sawyer she gets high* on you, personal space she&#039;ll invade then she&#039;ll cry on you&quot;).  Yeah they&#039;re flawed, but they&#039;re as good an illustration as any of the &quot;starving obese&quot;.

WalMart may be a viable option for people in suburban or rural areas who have a vehicle, but they&#039;re almost never in a city or near public transportation around here.

*ratings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m not exactly sure what point NPR’s making in profiling them.</i></p>
<p>That this is how &#8220;real&#8221; people think and operate.  If NPR looked harder, they could&#8217;ve probably found more sympathetic characters; skinnier, better sob story, a more polished speaker, etc&#8230; and then slapped some vaseline on the lens and gone for the heartstrings like a Diane Sawyer (&#8220;today&#8217;s Diane Sawyer she gets high* on you, personal space she&#8217;ll invade then she&#8217;ll cry on you&#8221;).  Yeah they&#8217;re flawed, but they&#8217;re as good an illustration as any of the &#8220;starving obese&#8221;.</p>
<p>WalMart may be a viable option for people in suburban or rural areas who have a vehicle, but they&#8217;re almost never in a city or near public transportation around here.</p>
<p>*ratings</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m not exactly sure what point NPR’s making in profiling them.&quot;

Perhaps the point they make is that some folks at NPR are clueless? Or that they are so bleeding-hearted they can&#039;t get beyond it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m not exactly sure what point NPR’s making in profiling them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the point they make is that some folks at NPR are clueless? Or that they are so bleeding-hearted they can&#8217;t get beyond it?</p>
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		<title>By: Off Resonance » Maybe less meat and ice cream is a good thing?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Off Resonance » Maybe less meat and ice cream is a good thing?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Radley Balko, I&#8217;ve learned of an NPR story that seriously fails to generate much sympathy.  Titled [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the link below the picture on the NPR site... enlarge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the link below the picture on the NPR site&#8230; enlarge!</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A group always gets more of what it subsidizes, less of what it taxes.  Work is taxed, childbearing is subsidized.  People recognize the subsidy and respond to it, education is not necessary for subsidy recognition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A group always gets more of what it subsidizes, less of what it taxes.  Work is taxed, childbearing is subsidized.  People recognize the subsidy and respond to it, education is not necessary for subsidy recognition.</p>
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		<title>By: annemg</title>
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		<dc:creator>annemg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this whole &quot;food is too expensive&quot; thing is BS.  People are lazy.  They don&#039;t want to think about it.  I can easily feed my family of 4 a good healthy diet on less then $200 a month.  All it takes is planning, and a willingness to put in a little work.  

On the other hand... I can see how it may be difficult to find a job.  I&#039;m highly qualified, with plenty off good recommendations, and it took me over 2 months to find a job after I got laid off of the last one.  (Totally unheard of for me!)  It&#039;s tough out there right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this whole &#8220;food is too expensive&#8221; thing is BS.  People are lazy.  They don&#8217;t want to think about it.  I can easily feed my family of 4 a good healthy diet on less then $200 a month.  All it takes is planning, and a willingness to put in a little work.  </p>
<p>On the other hand&#8230; I can see how it may be difficult to find a job.  I&#8217;m highly qualified, with plenty off good recommendations, and it took me over 2 months to find a job after I got laid off of the last one.  (Totally unheard of for me!)  It&#8217;s tough out there right now.</p>
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		<title>By: z</title>
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		<dc:creator>z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;People tell Nunez her daughter could get more money in public assistance if she had a child.

&quot;A lot of people have told me, &#039;Why don&#039;t your daughter have a kid?&#039;&quot;
&lt;/i&gt;

That pretty much sums up the problem with welfare, it doesn&#039;t just help people who&#039;ve made mistakes or fallen on hard times, it CAUSES people to make &quot;mistakes&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>People tell Nunez her daughter could get more money in public assistance if she had a child.</p>
<p>&#8220;A lot of people have told me, &#8216;Why don&#8217;t your daughter have a kid?&#8217;&#8221;<br />
</i></p>
<p>That pretty much sums up the problem with welfare, it doesn&#8217;t just help people who&#8217;ve made mistakes or fallen on hard times, it CAUSES people to make &#8220;mistakes&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit left without words...

If NPR wants me to feel sorry for a fellow Ohioan who cannot cope with rising costs, it would be better the profiled people have actually TRIED to support themselves over the years, and not been on govt assistance.

This isn&#039;t a sad story of poverty... it is a PSA on the result of being un/under-educated, fat and lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit left without words&#8230;</p>
<p>If NPR wants me to feel sorry for a fellow Ohioan who cannot cope with rising costs, it would be better the profiled people have actually TRIED to support themselves over the years, and not been on govt assistance.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a sad story of poverty&#8230; it is a PSA on the result of being un/under-educated, fat and lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: chance</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/20/10315/comment-page-1/#comment-155764</link>
		<dc:creator>chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was on a limited income (a long, long time) my dollar stretched a lot further at the BK than it did at the grocery store on average, at least for the healthier foods.  It was only after I started making some decent money that I was able to start regularly buying and eating better foods.  Those studies that say fresh fruits and vegatables are cheaper?  I don&#039;t know, i just find that hard to believe based on my experience.  

As for Wal-Mart, I&#039;m not reflexively a hater (I used to love the place) but I got to say that once all the smaller shops and businesses are gone, you start to realize just how poor its selection really is in many cases.  It&#039;s like the old Onion article: &quot;Coke discontinues all drink sizes except 32 gallon size. Says spokesman: &#039;Sure it&#039;s inconvienant for the customer, but what are they going to do, not drink Coke? Right.&#039; &quot;

As for NPR and PBS, I admit to seeing a bias, but it is no where near as bad as the bias I see on the big news networks.  I find much of its programming superior to most anything on CNN, fox, or the major networks.  Would a completely free market PBS/NPR be as good or better?  Well, that&#039;s the theory, but the aforementioned networks don&#039;t fill me with hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was on a limited income (a long, long time) my dollar stretched a lot further at the BK than it did at the grocery store on average, at least for the healthier foods.  It was only after I started making some decent money that I was able to start regularly buying and eating better foods.  Those studies that say fresh fruits and vegatables are cheaper?  I don&#8217;t know, i just find that hard to believe based on my experience.  </p>
<p>As for Wal-Mart, I&#8217;m not reflexively a hater (I used to love the place) but I got to say that once all the smaller shops and businesses are gone, you start to realize just how poor its selection really is in many cases.  It&#8217;s like the old Onion article: &#8220;Coke discontinues all drink sizes except 32 gallon size. Says spokesman: &#8216;Sure it&#8217;s inconvienant for the customer, but what are they going to do, not drink Coke? Right.&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>As for NPR and PBS, I admit to seeing a bias, but it is no where near as bad as the bias I see on the big news networks.  I find much of its programming superior to most anything on CNN, fox, or the major networks.  Would a completely free market PBS/NPR be as good or better?  Well, that&#8217;s the theory, but the aforementioned networks don&#8217;t fill me with hope.</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. P. Schofield</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/20/10315/comment-page-1/#comment-155642</link>
		<dc:creator>C. S. P. Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What few people seem to realize is that NPR and PBS are part of a decades long Performance Art piece on the absurdity of the entire concept of &quot;Unbiased Media&quot;. I&#039;m sure that more subtle details will be revealed when the piece is over (maybe when funding is cut?), but the general outline seems to be to establish a farcical dichotomy: a Government funded news service that is reflexively and rabidly against its host country. Sort of Pravda on bad acid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What few people seem to realize is that NPR and PBS are part of a decades long Performance Art piece on the absurdity of the entire concept of &#8220;Unbiased Media&#8221;. I&#8217;m sure that more subtle details will be revealed when the piece is over (maybe when funding is cut?), but the general outline seems to be to establish a farcical dichotomy: a Government funded news service that is reflexively and rabidly against its host country. Sort of Pravda on bad acid.</p>
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		<title>By: pierre</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/20/10315/comment-page-1/#comment-155639</link>
		<dc:creator>pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My argument inst necessarily based on the price of groceries.  I know that you tend to favor a laissez faire approach to the economy, but i really do think that we would be alot better off ditching walmart in favor of supporting local farmers.  

I know that in many cities this may be much more difficult.  I have the benefit of living in Wisconsin, our farmers markets are great and you can get huge deals compared to the grocery. And it&#039;s not inconvenient.   Also you&#039;re helping out one of the few farmers left that isnt growing shitty-ass corn for a govt subsidy.  

Wal-Mart pisses me off.  No matter what i cant see them as the good guy.  I actually remember a time when there was a hardware store, and a grocery, and a outdoor goods store, a furniture store, a haberdasher, a shoe store, and craft store, and all of the other small businesses a wal-mart replaces.  Those proprietors worked hard and had a place in society.    Maybe its worthwhile to pay more for goods and support your real community! After all, sales tax doesn&#039;t help pay a working mans wage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My argument inst necessarily based on the price of groceries.  I know that you tend to favor a laissez faire approach to the economy, but i really do think that we would be alot better off ditching walmart in favor of supporting local farmers.  </p>
<p>I know that in many cities this may be much more difficult.  I have the benefit of living in Wisconsin, our farmers markets are great and you can get huge deals compared to the grocery. And it&#8217;s not inconvenient.   Also you&#8217;re helping out one of the few farmers left that isnt growing shitty-ass corn for a govt subsidy.  </p>
<p>Wal-Mart pisses me off.  No matter what i cant see them as the good guy.  I actually remember a time when there was a hardware store, and a grocery, and a outdoor goods store, a furniture store, a haberdasher, a shoe store, and craft store, and all of the other small businesses a wal-mart replaces.  Those proprietors worked hard and had a place in society.    Maybe its worthwhile to pay more for goods and support your real community! After all, sales tax doesn&#8217;t help pay a working mans wage.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/20/10315/comment-page-1/#comment-155613</link>
		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my rural area of Michigan, the farmer&#039;s market is usually evenly priced with the grocery stores.  If you want it cheaper, you have to swing by the stands some farmers have in front of their homes.  Those are great quality and price, but only if 1) they are on the way, so you are not paying a gallon of gas for one item and 2) you need the one to three items that they have that week.  Plus, since we are in Michigan, I&#039;ve yet to see one selling anything but straw yet this year.  And they will all be closed on November 1.  So they are great, if you live in a rural area, they are on your existing route, the item you want is in season, and it&#039;s in the 1/3 of the year they are open.  Not a good long term strategy.

But I must admit that I frequent them from the day they open.  Better produce, spending locally, nice people, and no cheeseball music. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my rural area of Michigan, the farmer&#8217;s market is usually evenly priced with the grocery stores.  If you want it cheaper, you have to swing by the stands some farmers have in front of their homes.  Those are great quality and price, but only if 1) they are on the way, so you are not paying a gallon of gas for one item and 2) you need the one to three items that they have that week.  Plus, since we are in Michigan, I&#8217;ve yet to see one selling anything but straw yet this year.  And they will all be closed on November 1.  So they are great, if you live in a rural area, they are on your existing route, the item you want is in season, and it&#8217;s in the 1/3 of the year they are open.  Not a good long term strategy.</p>
<p>But I must admit that I frequent them from the day they open.  Better produce, spending locally, nice people, and no cheeseball music. :)</p>
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