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		<title>By: KBCraig</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/17/headline-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-154690</link>
		<dc:creator>KBCraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank wrote:
&lt;i&gt;Sorry, a pilot can’t fly for eight hours after he imbibes. A paramedic or EMT in NY can’t treat patients for eight hours. If you’re carrying a gun, I don’t believe it unreasonable to expect you to STAY SOBER. If you want to tie one on, put the gun away until you sober up.

Yet another big win for New York’s largest street gang in the double standards department.&lt;/i&gt;

No doubt that in NYC, this &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a double standard, as is carrying a gun at all. But from the reports, it sounds like he was fully justified in shooting. 

It doesn&#039;t matter if you&#039;re one hundredth of one percentage point over an arbitrary limit (as this cop was), or if you&#039;re dead drunk: a justified shooting is still as justified as it would be if you were a tee-totaller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank wrote:<br />
<i>Sorry, a pilot can’t fly for eight hours after he imbibes. A paramedic or EMT in NY can’t treat patients for eight hours. If you’re carrying a gun, I don’t believe it unreasonable to expect you to STAY SOBER. If you want to tie one on, put the gun away until you sober up.</p>
<p>Yet another big win for New York’s largest street gang in the double standards department.</i></p>
<p>No doubt that in NYC, this <i>is</i> a double standard, as is carrying a gun at all. But from the reports, it sounds like he was fully justified in shooting. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if you&#8217;re one hundredth of one percentage point over an arbitrary limit (as this cop was), or if you&#8217;re dead drunk: a justified shooting is still as justified as it would be if you were a tee-totaller.</p>
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		<title>By: airforce</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/17/headline-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-154633</link>
		<dc:creator>airforce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The problem is that if you give them an inch, they will take a mile.&lt;/i&gt;

Good point.  And you&#039;re right, I should have pointed out in the first post this was unlikely to be a regular occurrence.  

I will point out though that &quot;purse snatching&quot; (which is really &quot;strong-arm robbery&quot;) is hardly a victimless, non-violent crime.  These guys typically target old women, or young mothers with children.  

Try telling a young mother, who has just lost her rent and grocery money, that it would be a miracle if you managed to get her purse back.  I&#039;ve had to do just that, many times.

While I&#039;m at it here, I&#039;ll point out that many times when SWAT is reported to have been involved, they weren&#039;t.  It&#039;s very possible--perhaps even likely--that a lot of officers were required to cover multiple exits, and witnesses just assumed they were SWAT.

And, yes, I&#039;ve personally had some bad experiences resulting from poor reporting by the news media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The problem is that if you give them an inch, they will take a mile.</i></p>
<p>Good point.  And you&#8217;re right, I should have pointed out in the first post this was unlikely to be a regular occurrence.  </p>
<p>I will point out though that &#8220;purse snatching&#8221; (which is really &#8220;strong-arm robbery&#8221;) is hardly a victimless, non-violent crime.  These guys typically target old women, or young mothers with children.  </p>
<p>Try telling a young mother, who has just lost her rent and grocery money, that it would be a miracle if you managed to get her purse back.  I&#8217;ve had to do just that, many times.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m at it here, I&#8217;ll point out that many times when SWAT is reported to have been involved, they weren&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s very possible&#8211;perhaps even likely&#8211;that a lot of officers were required to cover multiple exits, and witnesses just assumed they were SWAT.</p>
<p>And, yes, I&#8217;ve personally had some bad experiences resulting from poor reporting by the news media.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/17/headline-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-154361</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>airforce says:

&quot;I have to assume SWAT is not normally called out for things such as this, or it wouldn’t have been newsworthy.&quot;

Here you imply that it&#039;s okay that SWAT was called because this was likely an isolated incident.
Yet in your first post, you imply that the ends justify the means, anything to &quot;put these two away.&quot;

The problem is that if you give them an inch, they will take a mile.  If you say that it&#039;s okay for SWAT to be sent out when someone gets their purse stolen, the police force will use that as justification to use SWAT in many other largely benign situations.  The police will love it because it will give them a reason to bloat their budget.  Local politicians will love it because they can point to it and say &quot;See how tough I am on crime?  Vote for me!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>airforce says:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have to assume SWAT is not normally called out for things such as this, or it wouldn’t have been newsworthy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here you imply that it&#8217;s okay that SWAT was called because this was likely an isolated incident.<br />
Yet in your first post, you imply that the ends justify the means, anything to &#8220;put these two away.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is that if you give them an inch, they will take a mile.  If you say that it&#8217;s okay for SWAT to be sent out when someone gets their purse stolen, the police force will use that as justification to use SWAT in many other largely benign situations.  The police will love it because it will give them a reason to bloat their budget.  Local politicians will love it because they can point to it and say &#8220;See how tough I am on crime?  Vote for me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: airforce</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/17/headline-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-154339</link>
		<dc:creator>airforce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s important that you know that you’re giving the “thumbs up” to poor policing.&lt;/i&gt;

Gee, I&#039;m in the minority again.  Who woulda thunk it?:)

The news article didn&#039;t state why SWAT was called out.  Perhaps there was a good reason, perhaps not.  I have to assume SWAT is not normally called out for things such as this, or it wouldn&#039;t have been newsworthy.  And it&#039;s been my first-hand experience that news reports of police operations are likely to be inaccurate or incomplete.  (I&#039;m pretty sure Mr. Balko would agree with me on that.)

Was she supposed to be armed?  Was she homicidal or suicidal?  Were bystanders put at risk?  And how did the police get this information?  There just isn&#039;t enough information in the news article for me to say, one way or the other, if this was the right thing to do.

And without more information, I can onky say again that I&#039;m happy those two are off the streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s important that you know that you’re giving the “thumbs up” to poor policing.</i></p>
<p>Gee, I&#8217;m in the minority again.  Who woulda thunk it?:)</p>
<p>The news article didn&#8217;t state why SWAT was called out.  Perhaps there was a good reason, perhaps not.  I have to assume SWAT is not normally called out for things such as this, or it wouldn&#8217;t have been newsworthy.  And it&#8217;s been my first-hand experience that news reports of police operations are likely to be inaccurate or incomplete.  (I&#8217;m pretty sure Mr. Balko would agree with me on that.)</p>
<p>Was she supposed to be armed?  Was she homicidal or suicidal?  Were bystanders put at risk?  And how did the police get this information?  There just isn&#8217;t enough information in the news article for me to say, one way or the other, if this was the right thing to do.</p>
<p>And without more information, I can onky say again that I&#8217;m happy those two are off the streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I really don’t care if they called out SWAT; putting those two away is a good thing.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s important that you know that you&#039;re giving the &quot;thumbs up&quot; to poor policing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I really don’t care if they called out SWAT; putting those two away is a good thing.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s important that you know that you&#8217;re giving the &#8220;thumbs up&#8221; to poor policing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Gallias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Gallias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can think is....Wow.
Once again we have to be careful and not just blame the cops.
Who reports this shit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can think is&#8230;.Wow.<br />
Once again we have to be careful and not just blame the cops.<br />
Who reports this shit?</p>
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		<title>By: airforce</title>
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		<dc:creator>airforce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it seems like overkill to send  SWAT team after a purse snatcher.  My problem is, I hate thieves.  Purse snatchers may not be the lowest of the low but, in my book, they&#039;re pretty darn close.

When they operate in pairs like these two did, they&#039;re notoriously tough to catch.  I really don&#039;t care if they called out SWAT; putting those two away is a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it seems like overkill to send  SWAT team after a purse snatcher.  My problem is, I hate thieves.  Purse snatchers may not be the lowest of the low but, in my book, they&#8217;re pretty darn close.</p>
<p>When they operate in pairs like these two did, they&#8217;re notoriously tough to catch.  I really don&#8217;t care if they called out SWAT; putting those two away is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked one of the other links:  &quot;Blind Woman Tased By Dayton Police&quot;.

http://www.whiotv.com/news/16910498/detail.html

Let me take a wild guess that they didn&#039;t have a warrant, and kicked in the door and took her for &quot;a ride on the Taser&quot; when she failed to get on her knees and suck on command.  There may as well not be an investigation, we all know the officer will be cleared.

Then there&#039;s this sickening sequence of events:

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jul15/0,4670,PoliceShootingBreathalyzer,00.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/news/regionalnews/new_cop_rule_is_just_call_911_120140.htm
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/postopinion/editorials/he_deserves_heros_medal__not_a_lashing_120174.htm
https://secure.nypost.com/seven/07172008/news/regionalnews/tipsy_detective_back_on_the_job_120278.htm

Sorry, a pilot can&#039;t fly for eight hours after he imbibes.  A paramedic or EMT in NY can&#039;t treat patients for eight hours.  If you&#039;re carrying a gun, I don&#039;t believe it unreasonable to expect you to STAY SOBER.  If you want to tie one on, put the gun away until you sober up.

Yet another big win for New York&#039;s largest street gang in the double standards department.  Anyone else unable to hide behind a badge would still be at Riker&#039;s Island while all the usual suspects would be wringing their hands about how the Supreme Court was wrong in Heller and here&#039;s why.

And I love that righteous chest-thumping about how off duty cops should just call 911 and not get involved.  Hell, most of the time NYPD won&#039;t get involved ON DUTY AND IN UNIFORM.  So why do we pay all this tax money for another street gang with immunity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked one of the other links:  &#8220;Blind Woman Tased By Dayton Police&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whiotv.com/news/16910498/detail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whiotv.com/news/16910498/detail.html</a></p>
<p>Let me take a wild guess that they didn&#8217;t have a warrant, and kicked in the door and took her for &#8220;a ride on the Taser&#8221; when she failed to get on her knees and suck on command.  There may as well not be an investigation, we all know the officer will be cleared.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s this sickening sequence of events:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jul15/0,4670,PoliceShootingBreathalyzer,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jul15/0,4670,PoliceShootingBreathalyzer,00.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/news/regionalnews/new_cop_rule_is_just_call_911_120140.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/news/regionalnews/new_cop_rule_is_just_call_911_120140.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/postopinion/editorials/he_deserves_heros_medal__not_a_lashing_120174.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/postopinion/editorials/he_deserves_heros_medal__not_a_lashing_120174.htm</a><br />
<a href="https://secure.nypost.com/seven/07172008/news/regionalnews/tipsy_detective_back_on_the_job_120278.htm" rel="nofollow">https://secure.nypost.com/seven/07172008/news/regionalnews/tipsy_detective_back_on_the_job_120278.htm</a></p>
<p>Sorry, a pilot can&#8217;t fly for eight hours after he imbibes.  A paramedic or EMT in NY can&#8217;t treat patients for eight hours.  If you&#8217;re carrying a gun, I don&#8217;t believe it unreasonable to expect you to STAY SOBER.  If you want to tie one on, put the gun away until you sober up.</p>
<p>Yet another big win for New York&#8217;s largest street gang in the double standards department.  Anyone else unable to hide behind a badge would still be at Riker&#8217;s Island while all the usual suspects would be wringing their hands about how the Supreme Court was wrong in Heller and here&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>And I love that righteous chest-thumping about how off duty cops should just call 911 and not get involved.  Hell, most of the time NYPD won&#8217;t get involved ON DUTY AND IN UNIFORM.  So why do we pay all this tax money for another street gang with immunity?</p>
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		<title>By: A McGillican</title>
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		<dc:creator>A McGillican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A story on the same website about police using a taser on a blind woman: http://www.whiotv.com/news/16910498/detail.html. All kinds of quality police work going on in Ohio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A story on the same website about police using a taser on a blind woman: <a href="http://www.whiotv.com/news/16910498/detail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whiotv.com/news/16910498/detail.html</a>. All kinds of quality police work going on in Ohio.</p>
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		<title>By: JCoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>JCoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what else is a swat team supposed to do with all of their terrorist catching money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what else is a swat team supposed to do with all of their terrorist catching money.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  Interesting story from Instapundit - seems a jerk cop can get fired for being a jerk in Daytona Beach.

http://www.local6.com/news/16904043/detail.html

Kudos to the department there for taking out the trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  Interesting story from Instapundit &#8211; seems a jerk cop can get fired for being a jerk in Daytona Beach.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.local6.com/news/16904043/detail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.local6.com/news/16904043/detail.html</a></p>
<p>Kudos to the department there for taking out the trash.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it weren&#039;t so serious, it would be hilarious.  I agree with Billy, but really they should be able to get by with a couple of tanks, maybe a howitzer.  No need for space weapons when earth-bound weaponry should fit the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it weren&#8217;t so serious, it would be hilarious.  I agree with Billy, but really they should be able to get by with a couple of tanks, maybe a howitzer.  No need for space weapons when earth-bound weaponry should fit the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They really should have nuked the site from orbit.

It&#039;s the only way to be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They really should have nuked the site from orbit.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the only way to be sure.</p>
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