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	<title>Comments on: Shaming AT&amp;T</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-155297</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hubby went in to ATT store last night with my $100 rebate card from my Blackjack II.  He was getting new 3G iPhone and they REFUSED THEIR OWN REBATE CARD.  I am just livid about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubby went in to ATT store last night with my $100 rebate card from my Blackjack II.  He was getting new 3G iPhone and they REFUSED THEIR OWN REBATE CARD.  I am just livid about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Montie</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-153512</link>
		<dc:creator>Montie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that mail in rebates are just a way to screw you out of money.  I&#039;d never heard of this card thing as payment.  I guess thats just one more bit of fine print we&#039;ll have to read.  Of course 99% of the time I&#039;m not willing to go for anything with a rebate as they almost never work.

As far as the card itself goes, that setup is pretty standard.  Visa gift cards work exactly the same way.  Most if not all registers will reject the entire sale if you try to charge more than the current balance.  Its just a corner they cut as far as maintaining a database goes.

They all have an 800 number on the back of the cards to find out how much is left.  Honestly the best way to do it is to track how much you&#039;ve spent on the card itself.  I just sharpie the remaining balance on the card as I go, whenever I&#039;m stuck with one of these.  

Many cashiers don&#039;t know how to deal with these cards, but if you get one thats worth their salt they&#039;ll call the 800 number for you at the register and run the appropriate amount through.  True that this is kind of a waste of everyones time, but its not the end of the world.

I will say that its yet another way for them to screw you out of rebate money.  I wouldn&#039;t be shocked if the cards had an expiration date...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that mail in rebates are just a way to screw you out of money.  I&#8217;d never heard of this card thing as payment.  I guess thats just one more bit of fine print we&#8217;ll have to read.  Of course 99% of the time I&#8217;m not willing to go for anything with a rebate as they almost never work.</p>
<p>As far as the card itself goes, that setup is pretty standard.  Visa gift cards work exactly the same way.  Most if not all registers will reject the entire sale if you try to charge more than the current balance.  Its just a corner they cut as far as maintaining a database goes.</p>
<p>They all have an 800 number on the back of the cards to find out how much is left.  Honestly the best way to do it is to track how much you&#8217;ve spent on the card itself.  I just sharpie the remaining balance on the card as I go, whenever I&#8217;m stuck with one of these.  </p>
<p>Many cashiers don&#8217;t know how to deal with these cards, but if you get one thats worth their salt they&#8217;ll call the 800 number for you at the register and run the appropriate amount through.  True that this is kind of a waste of everyones time, but its not the end of the world.</p>
<p>I will say that its yet another way for them to screw you out of rebate money.  I wouldn&#8217;t be shocked if the cards had an expiration date&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Howlin' Hobbit</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-152759</link>
		<dc:creator>Howlin' Hobbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using Virgin Mobile for several years now. I have no contract and I generally spend less than $30 a month... and I never spend it for minutes I don&#039;t use.

I&#039;ve never spent more than $20 on the phone itself.

At one point I lost my phone. I called them and they immediately froze my account so that whoever might find the phone couldn&#039;t use it. They then sent me a (refurbished, not new) phone via overnight delivery for the cost of the delivery only, no charge for the phone.

When I logged on to the website to change my service over to the new phone I did not have to search for how to do it, I was taken directly to a page that said &quot;Sorry to hear you lost your phone. You&#039;ll want to do either A (a link) or B (another link).&quot; Within an hour my new phone was up and flying and the only large hassle was getting all my stored numbers back.

If you want a phone that does your dishes and makes you sexier, go for some large, expensive phone and contract. If you want to make and receive calls, get voice mail, and maybe text some, pay as you go is the way to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using Virgin Mobile for several years now. I have no contract and I generally spend less than $30 a month&#8230; and I never spend it for minutes I don&#8217;t use.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never spent more than $20 on the phone itself.</p>
<p>At one point I lost my phone. I called them and they immediately froze my account so that whoever might find the phone couldn&#8217;t use it. They then sent me a (refurbished, not new) phone via overnight delivery for the cost of the delivery only, no charge for the phone.</p>
<p>When I logged on to the website to change my service over to the new phone I did not have to search for how to do it, I was taken directly to a page that said &#8220;Sorry to hear you lost your phone. You&#8217;ll want to do either A (a link) or B (another link).&#8221; Within an hour my new phone was up and flying and the only large hassle was getting all my stored numbers back.</p>
<p>If you want a phone that does your dishes and makes you sexier, go for some large, expensive phone and contract. If you want to make and receive calls, get voice mail, and maybe text some, pay as you go is the way to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-152644</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the outback of the west.  ATT has been my most excellent provider for over 10 yrs now.  

They dumped the CDMA equipment this Jan, so I was forced toget a new phone.  No big deal, except that it was two months before I hit the road only to discover I have almost zero service along the area I travel!  

Verizion users of course can hit the call button almost anytime and get connected.  Even in my home town with a tower within three miles on a hilltop, the norm is for calls to be dropped constantly!  

AT&amp;T=A$$Holes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the outback of the west.  ATT has been my most excellent provider for over 10 yrs now.  </p>
<p>They dumped the CDMA equipment this Jan, so I was forced toget a new phone.  No big deal, except that it was two months before I hit the road only to discover I have almost zero service along the area I travel!  </p>
<p>Verizion users of course can hit the call button almost anytime and get connected.  Even in my home town with a tower within three miles on a hilltop, the norm is for calls to be dropped constantly!  </p>
<p>AT&amp;T=A$$Holes!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-152626</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed the elephant-in-the-room libertarian issue: the spectrum over which cell phones work is regulated and doled out by the government in a way that artificially limits the amount of carriers that can compete.  Limit competition and you get high prices and shitty service.  There is no intrinsic reason why the spectrum needs to be regulated – &quot;interference&quot; is all relative, and with enough technology, you can broadcast anything anywhere without the consumer realizing the hoops that the device has to jump through to avoid interference.  Search around the internet for articles on &quot;open spectrum&quot; and you&#039;ll realize the reason why many telecom products are so shitty and expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed the elephant-in-the-room libertarian issue: the spectrum over which cell phones work is regulated and doled out by the government in a way that artificially limits the amount of carriers that can compete.  Limit competition and you get high prices and shitty service.  There is no intrinsic reason why the spectrum needs to be regulated – &#8220;interference&#8221; is all relative, and with enough technology, you can broadcast anything anywhere without the consumer realizing the hoops that the device has to jump through to avoid interference.  Search around the internet for articles on &#8220;open spectrum&#8221; and you&#8217;ll realize the reason why many telecom products are so shitty and expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-152558</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think this is one of those areas where libertarian theory starts to break down.&quot; ...

I agree for the most part. The theory requires a significant percentage of consumers to know their options, and to make the hard decisions when they need to. Since all cellular companies play the BS game, a large percentage of customers would need to stop giving them money until they get their act straight. But when 95% percent of customers just pay them and put up with it, they have no incentive to change. I guess the theory is good, but the implementation is poor because not enough people adhere to it.

Also, until the lawmakers do away with all of the mountain of fine print that shows up in the simplest contracts, we will continue to see companies take advantage of their almost limitless (compared to the average customer) legal resources. Again, if enough consumers refused to enter into agreements that require a law degree to understand, things would change, but 95% of us just sign on the line and hope for the best (myself included)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think this is one of those areas where libertarian theory starts to break down.&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>I agree for the most part. The theory requires a significant percentage of consumers to know their options, and to make the hard decisions when they need to. Since all cellular companies play the BS game, a large percentage of customers would need to stop giving them money until they get their act straight. But when 95% percent of customers just pay them and put up with it, they have no incentive to change. I guess the theory is good, but the implementation is poor because not enough people adhere to it.</p>
<p>Also, until the lawmakers do away with all of the mountain of fine print that shows up in the simplest contracts, we will continue to see companies take advantage of their almost limitless (compared to the average customer) legal resources. Again, if enough consumers refused to enter into agreements that require a law degree to understand, things would change, but 95% of us just sign on the line and hope for the best (myself included)</p>
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		<title>By: Chuchundra</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-152446</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuchundra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a T-Mobile prepaid phone and it&#039;s just great. It&#039;s ten cents a minute if you buy your minutes blocks of 1000 and they&#039;re good for a year. I&#039;ve had this service for three years now and my total cost for service has been $300, $100 a year. Some of my co-workers pay $50 or more a month and then complain because they never even come close to using their minutes. It&#039;s a tremendous waste of money. If you use less than 300 minutes a month and don&#039;t do a lot of texting, T-Mobile prepaid is hard to beat.

I lost my original prepaid phone late last year. I went to the T-Mobile store and, after a short pitch on signing up for a contract, they told me to pick any phone I liked and pay the &quot;invoice price&quot;. I picked a low-end RAZR and it cost me $140 plus tax, that&#039;s it.

The only thing I don&#039;t like about this service is that you can&#039;t get internet on the phone. In fact, I don&#039;t think that any of the pre-paid services offer internet access. There are occasions when I&#039;d like to whip out the phone and check a web site or two, but that convenience isn&#039;t worth the tremendous extra cost of a monthly cell phone contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a T-Mobile prepaid phone and it&#8217;s just great. It&#8217;s ten cents a minute if you buy your minutes blocks of 1000 and they&#8217;re good for a year. I&#8217;ve had this service for three years now and my total cost for service has been $300, $100 a year. Some of my co-workers pay $50 or more a month and then complain because they never even come close to using their minutes. It&#8217;s a tremendous waste of money. If you use less than 300 minutes a month and don&#8217;t do a lot of texting, T-Mobile prepaid is hard to beat.</p>
<p>I lost my original prepaid phone late last year. I went to the T-Mobile store and, after a short pitch on signing up for a contract, they told me to pick any phone I liked and pay the &#8220;invoice price&#8221;. I picked a low-end RAZR and it cost me $140 plus tax, that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>The only thing I don&#8217;t like about this service is that you can&#8217;t get internet on the phone. In fact, I don&#8217;t think that any of the pre-paid services offer internet access. There are occasions when I&#8217;d like to whip out the phone and check a web site or two, but that convenience isn&#8217;t worth the tremendous extra cost of a monthly cell phone contract.</p>
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		<title>By: asg</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-152375</link>
		<dc:creator>asg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, about these phones e.g. Net10, like those mentioned in #2 -- can they take incoming calls? How does that work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, about these phones e.g. Net10, like those mentioned in #2 &#8212; can they take incoming calls? How does that work?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-152310</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why woudl you give your business to a company that gives your information to the government without a warrant?  Makes no sense.  As soon as I heard about what the telecoms were doing, I dumped Verizon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why woudl you give your business to a company that gives your information to the government without a warrant?  Makes no sense.  As soon as I heard about what the telecoms were doing, I dumped Verizon.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-152063</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan - Sprint, Alltel, T-Mobile, AT&amp;T, Cricket, Verizon, and dozens of niche/pre-paid services that run on the Sprint or T-Mobile networks. There&#039;s lots of choices for wireless service... now try to find a high speed Internet carrier you like when there&#039;s only two (max) per metro area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; Sprint, Alltel, T-Mobile, AT&amp;T, Cricket, Verizon, and dozens of niche/pre-paid services that run on the Sprint or T-Mobile networks. There&#8217;s lots of choices for wireless service&#8230; now try to find a high speed Internet carrier you like when there&#8217;s only two (max) per metro area.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-151980</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would sure be nice if I had more than just a few cellular companies to choose from. It feels like I am stuck with a few choices that all seem to intangibly join powers to cost me a lot of money for bullshit. Obviously, I wouldn&#039;t go as far as to say any cell company has any kind of monopoly on the market, but it sure would be nice to have a few other choices that I could give my business to other than Un-American, domestic spying ATT. I guess Ill try T-Mobile if they are verifiably not included in the wiretapping immunity mumbo-jumbo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would sure be nice if I had more than just a few cellular companies to choose from. It feels like I am stuck with a few choices that all seem to intangibly join powers to cost me a lot of money for bullshit. Obviously, I wouldn&#8217;t go as far as to say any cell company has any kind of monopoly on the market, but it sure would be nice to have a few other choices that I could give my business to other than Un-American, domestic spying ATT. I guess Ill try T-Mobile if they are verifiably not included in the wiretapping immunity mumbo-jumbo.</p>
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		<title>By: Veteran</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-151956</link>
		<dc:creator>Veteran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a phone.  All I want is a SIM card that I can fill-up now and again.  But I don&#039;t want to pay more per minute for less service, have to maintain any balance above zero, or worry about using it often enough.  After all it costs nothing to keep the account open on their computerized books, charge me a non-discriminatory price for their public service, and keep an electronic record.  And, of course I want to be able to check the balance in my account (accurate &amp; current) and top-off without extra charge.

Plain vanilla communication service.

No one will sell this &quot;plan&quot; in the USA (although you can get it in Europe proving it is technically and economically possible).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a phone.  All I want is a SIM card that I can fill-up now and again.  But I don&#8217;t want to pay more per minute for less service, have to maintain any balance above zero, or worry about using it often enough.  After all it costs nothing to keep the account open on their computerized books, charge me a non-discriminatory price for their public service, and keep an electronic record.  And, of course I want to be able to check the balance in my account (accurate &amp; current) and top-off without extra charge.</p>
<p>Plain vanilla communication service.</p>
<p>No one will sell this &#8220;plan&#8221; in the USA (although you can get it in Europe proving it is technically and economically possible).</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not been screwed by a phone company yet, partially since I still have my cell phone from 2002 and I haven&#039;t switched companies since GTE (okay now Verizon).  But did have a bad experience with Avis and won&#039;t be using them anymore.  They charged me an extra $800 that was no where listed that I would be charged ... long story I wont&#039; go into but Avis refused to even talk to me.  Hugely awful customer service and I ended up just complaining to the Better Business peeps.  Didn&#039;t get my money back, but I did what I could.  And I tell everyone I can to stay away from Avis.  They will rip you off.

Actually as I see it, every company will rip you off if given the chance.  (shrugs)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not been screwed by a phone company yet, partially since I still have my cell phone from 2002 and I haven&#8217;t switched companies since GTE (okay now Verizon).  But did have a bad experience with Avis and won&#8217;t be using them anymore.  They charged me an extra $800 that was no where listed that I would be charged &#8230; long story I wont&#8217; go into but Avis refused to even talk to me.  Hugely awful customer service and I ended up just complaining to the Better Business peeps.  Didn&#8217;t get my money back, but I did what I could.  And I tell everyone I can to stay away from Avis.  They will rip you off.</p>
<p>Actually as I see it, every company will rip you off if given the chance.  (shrugs)</p>
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		<title>By: adam miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Carlin said,&quot;the man who coined the phrase let the buyer beware was probably bleeding rectally at the time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Carlin said,&#8221;the man who coined the phrase let the buyer beware was probably bleeding rectally at the time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cappy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-151939</link>
		<dc:creator>Cappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was told today that that’s not the case. If I want the iPhone, I’ll have to pay $200 to break my service contract, which would basically put the cost of the phone at $400. Now if that was the case all along and I’d been told as much, I’d have no complaint. I’m just pissed that the sales guy lied to me.&quot;

Always, always get whatever they say/promise in writing with a signature and date.  Always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was told today that that’s not the case. If I want the iPhone, I’ll have to pay $200 to break my service contract, which would basically put the cost of the phone at $400. Now if that was the case all along and I’d been told as much, I’d have no complaint. I’m just pissed that the sales guy lied to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Always, always get whatever they say/promise in writing with a signature and date.  Always.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28 - It would still make sense for AT&amp;T to let a consumer extend, rather than break, their existing contract to get an iPhone at the subsidized price. Yes, they lose the $200 bucks (the early termination fee) but they more than make that up with two years of data plan (which they no longer split with Apple, btw).

I wonder what Apple thinks about that... they gave up their exclusive royalty payments estimated at 12 to 18 bucks a month so that AT&amp;T would subsidize the phone, and now AT&amp;T isn&#039;t giving the subsidy to all comers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 &#8211; It would still make sense for AT&amp;T to let a consumer extend, rather than break, their existing contract to get an iPhone at the subsidized price. Yes, they lose the $200 bucks (the early termination fee) but they more than make that up with two years of data plan (which they no longer split with Apple, btw).</p>
<p>I wonder what Apple thinks about that&#8230; they gave up their exclusive royalty payments estimated at 12 to 18 bucks a month so that AT&amp;T would subsidize the phone, and now AT&amp;T isn&#8217;t giving the subsidy to all comers.</p>
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		<title>By: pris</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-151821</link>
		<dc:creator>pris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley,&#039;
It pays to buy insurance so if you lose the cell or it is broken, it is repalced quickly. The cell phones are so easy to break or maim or lose. $50 to replace my phone and it came overnight by FedEx.  I did not have to sign a new contract- mine continues- I did not upgrade- that is when you need to sign a new contract-I have Verizon.
Call and ask for a supervisor- be the will make a deal with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley,&#8217;<br />
It pays to buy insurance so if you lose the cell or it is broken, it is repalced quickly. The cell phones are so easy to break or maim or lose. $50 to replace my phone and it came overnight by FedEx.  I did not have to sign a new contract- mine continues- I did not upgrade- that is when you need to sign a new contract-I have Verizon.<br />
Call and ask for a supervisor- be the will make a deal with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-151818</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I think most cell contracts have a mandatory arbitration clause, which make a civil suit more difficult still. I&#039;m not really sure how enforceable they are in practice, but it&#039;s one more thing the consumer has to deal with. Most people just pay the termination fee and go somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I think most cell contracts have a mandatory arbitration clause, which make a civil suit more difficult still. I&#8217;m not really sure how enforceable they are in practice, but it&#8217;s one more thing the consumer has to deal with. Most people just pay the termination fee and go somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg N.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-151792</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawsuit as ex post remedy is a classic libertarian rejoinder to a claim for ex ante regulation. But it assumes that an average Joe has the time and resources to pursue a lawsuit against a giant phone company over a couple hundred dollars. Class action suits aren&#039;t the easiest thing in the world, and most people just can&#039;t bother with them (plaintiffs in such suits rarely see the benefits anyway; lawyers make the scratch from class actions). I&#039;ve always been skeptical of the nonchalant way in which libertarians throw around civil suits as the answer to all wrongs (Rothbard, I think, used the idea as the means to settle claims to property rights in air). It&#039;s not entirely clear to me that ex ante regulation can&#039;t achieve better results in some areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawsuit as ex post remedy is a classic libertarian rejoinder to a claim for ex ante regulation. But it assumes that an average Joe has the time and resources to pursue a lawsuit against a giant phone company over a couple hundred dollars. Class action suits aren&#8217;t the easiest thing in the world, and most people just can&#8217;t bother with them (plaintiffs in such suits rarely see the benefits anyway; lawyers make the scratch from class actions). I&#8217;ve always been skeptical of the nonchalant way in which libertarians throw around civil suits as the answer to all wrongs (Rothbard, I think, used the idea as the means to settle claims to property rights in air). It&#8217;s not entirely clear to me that ex ante regulation can&#8217;t achieve better results in some areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick T</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/14/shaming-att/comment-page-1/#comment-151791</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Brian, you&#039;re just explaining why AT&amp;T is doing what they&#039;re doing. Radley was still told what he was told and AT&amp;T should honor that within a reasonable period of time.  I-phone has not been out that long.  

#23, thanks for  the info. T-Mobile huh? I&#039;ll give them a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Brian, you&#8217;re just explaining why AT&amp;T is doing what they&#8217;re doing. Radley was still told what he was told and AT&amp;T should honor that within a reasonable period of time.  I-phone has not been out that long.  </p>
<p>#23, thanks for  the info. T-Mobile huh? I&#8217;ll give them a look.</p>
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