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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/12/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-151401</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9:  A Bunch of rich, pampered Saudis, thats who.  If you&#039;re hoping to justify the kidnapping and deportation of Afghans to prison half the world away by referencing the criminal acts of somebody, at least try to make it someone from their own country, who speaks the same language, follows the same religious rites, and shares the same personal history.  Afghans are about as close to being Saudis as Brazilians are to being Swiss.  And you want to know what&#039;s really hilarious?  The FBI under Clinton was watching them, listening to them, building a case against them UNTIL Bush got elected and called them off because he and Rice felt that terrorism was a &quot;dangerous preoccupation&quot; and we should be focusing on Russia and China instead.  Don&#039;t believe me?  Look up their statements from the 2000 campaign trail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9:  A Bunch of rich, pampered Saudis, thats who.  If you&#8217;re hoping to justify the kidnapping and deportation of Afghans to prison half the world away by referencing the criminal acts of somebody, at least try to make it someone from their own country, who speaks the same language, follows the same religious rites, and shares the same personal history.  Afghans are about as close to being Saudis as Brazilians are to being Swiss.  And you want to know what&#8217;s really hilarious?  The FBI under Clinton was watching them, listening to them, building a case against them UNTIL Bush got elected and called them off because he and Rice felt that terrorism was a &#8220;dangerous preoccupation&#8221; and we should be focusing on Russia and China instead.  Don&#8217;t believe me?  Look up their statements from the 2000 campaign trail.</p>
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		<title>By: richard jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/12/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-151298</link>
		<dc:creator>richard jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who brought down the towers?

the crux of it all...

all else is crap!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who brought down the towers?</p>
<p>the crux of it all&#8230;</p>
<p>all else is crap!!</p>
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		<title>By: tjbbpgob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/12/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-150871</link>
		<dc:creator>tjbbpgob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is why not just shoot the bastards, after all they are guerillas and not entitled to any &quot;rights&quot;, hell the gov. said so after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is why not just shoot the bastards, after all they are guerillas and not entitled to any &#8220;rights&#8221;, hell the gov. said so after all.</p>
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		<title>By: CitizenX</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/12/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-150739</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William,

&quot;illegal combatant&quot; is a term made up by the criminal enterprise in the white house to specifically deny rights to people guaranteed to them by the Constitution, Treaty and International Law.

There is no legal term illegal combatant so to use it to justify criminal behavior just does not work in any sane world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William,</p>
<p>&#8220;illegal combatant&#8221; is a term made up by the criminal enterprise in the white house to specifically deny rights to people guaranteed to them by the Constitution, Treaty and International Law.</p>
<p>There is no legal term illegal combatant so to use it to justify criminal behavior just does not work in any sane world.</p>
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		<title>By: buxxee</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/12/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-150643</link>
		<dc:creator>buxxee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There but for the grace of God.  Imagine this admnistration with the collusion of the telecoms collecting some intemperate remarks about the administration from one of your own emails. What if they used this information to declare you an unlawful combatant or supporter of terrorism?  What if you were jailed without charge, denied access to counsel, held incommunicado, unable to face your accuser, denied access to evidence against you, denied your right to fair and speedy trial?  What if they tortured you?  What if you were held at a black site and the government denied you were in custody?  What if the government continued to hold you for five years or more without charge or trial in defiance of the Supreme Court?  What if some how you managed to gain your release, but the government and the telecoms were immune from criminal prosecution on national security grounds, and you were denied civil redress?  Would you still be living in a democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There but for the grace of God.  Imagine this admnistration with the collusion of the telecoms collecting some intemperate remarks about the administration from one of your own emails. What if they used this information to declare you an unlawful combatant or supporter of terrorism?  What if you were jailed without charge, denied access to counsel, held incommunicado, unable to face your accuser, denied access to evidence against you, denied your right to fair and speedy trial?  What if they tortured you?  What if you were held at a black site and the government denied you were in custody?  What if the government continued to hold you for five years or more without charge or trial in defiance of the Supreme Court?  What if some how you managed to gain your release, but the government and the telecoms were immune from criminal prosecution on national security grounds, and you were denied civil redress?  Would you still be living in a democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/12/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-150059</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They were captured on the battlefield fighting us.&lt;/i&gt;

As Radley notes, this is not the case.  There are clear cases of people being arrested and sent to Guantanamo because they were accused by a neighbor or acquaintance.  That is far too East Germany for me, thanks very much.  The problem is that too many people seem to think that everyone in our custody either was caught in combat or in the act of some clearly terroristic activity--and yet this is clearly not the case.  I note a couple of examples of this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=13800&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (and it is not a comprehensive list, btw, just some examples).

These are not all the &quot;worst of worst&quot; and many are innocent and yet have been subjected to Hell in the name of our national security.  It is a total disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They were captured on the battlefield fighting us.</i></p>
<p>As Radley notes, this is not the case.  There are clear cases of people being arrested and sent to Guantanamo because they were accused by a neighbor or acquaintance.  That is far too East Germany for me, thanks very much.  The problem is that too many people seem to think that everyone in our custody either was caught in combat or in the act of some clearly terroristic activity&#8211;and yet this is clearly not the case.  I note a couple of examples of this <a href="http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=13800" rel="nofollow">here</a> (and it is not a comprehensive list, btw, just some examples).</p>
<p>These are not all the &#8220;worst of worst&#8221; and many are innocent and yet have been subjected to Hell in the name of our national security.  It is a total disgrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Edintally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edintally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William you are a much greater danger to America than any Muslim extremist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William you are a much greater danger to America than any Muslim extremist.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/12/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-150011</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really.  Many were turned over to U.S. troops by the Northern Alliance, militia groups, and who knows who else in exchange for bounties.  We simply took the word of the people collecting the bounties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really.  Many were turned over to U.S. troops by the Northern Alliance, militia groups, and who knows who else in exchange for bounties.  We simply took the word of the people collecting the bounties.</p>
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		<title>By: William Millan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/12/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-149998</link>
		<dc:creator>William Millan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no &quot;guilty&quot; or &quot;innocent&quot; to these people. They were captured on the battlefield fighting us. As illegal combatants , they are entitled to a tribunal and a firing squad.  Next you will want our troops to stop fighting and Mirandize them. 

This type of approach will force us to &quot;black flag&quot; the battlefield and kill all combatants, or at the least turn any captured over to the tender mercies of the locals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no &#8220;guilty&#8221; or &#8220;innocent&#8221; to these people. They were captured on the battlefield fighting us. As illegal combatants , they are entitled to a tribunal and a firing squad.  Next you will want our troops to stop fighting and Mirandize them. </p>
<p>This type of approach will force us to &#8220;black flag&#8221; the battlefield and kill all combatants, or at the least turn any captured over to the tender mercies of the locals.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/12/war-crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-149884</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bush admin. is just following in the tradition on Wilson and FDR.I always thought they should be treated as POWs.In all honesty this is not nearly as bad as the internment of the Japanese-Americans in WW II.That was supported by SCOTUS and the American people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush admin. is just following in the tradition on Wilson and FDR.I always thought they should be treated as POWs.In all honesty this is not nearly as bad as the internment of the Japanese-Americans in WW II.That was supported by SCOTUS and the American people.</p>
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