More “Professional Courtesy” and DWI

Friday, July 11th, 2008

In 2006, a sheriff’s deputy in Victorville, California stopped, and then arrested a fellow deputy for DWI.

One of the two deputies was later promoted. The other was fired. Can you guess which was which?

The comments to the article are pretty interesting, too.

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14 Responses to “More “Professional Courtesy” and DWI”

  1. #1 |  akromper | 

    ..”mocking him by telling him they would have to go to Rancho Cucamonga to avoid being arrested by Holtz for DUI.”

    So they vaguely aknowledge they drive drunk but are trying to avoid the consequences. Nice. I would like some legislators to put a law on the books specifically against “professional courtesy” and make it against the law, with fines, depending on the offense punishable with jail time. It is after all a type of accessory to a crime now isn’t it? Higher standards, not less. Raise the bar, not lower. I also agree with that commentor that ALL police functions should have civilian oversight and those people should be voted in, not placed politically or otherwise. Only then could a community feel it can regain control of the police machine gone wild.

  2. #2 |  Michael Pack | 

    #1 akromper,the fact is the police ARE civilians.If not,they would face the code of military justice .It’s not nearly as forgiving.Maybe that’s not a bad idea.

  3. #3 |  Zeb | 

    This is the sort of shit we should have zero-tolerance and mandatory minimums for. Cops should be treated MORE harshly than “civilians” when they break the law, not less.

  4. #4 |  claude | 

    “the fact is the police ARE civilians.”

    Has anyone bothered to tell them that? They seem to be completely oblivious to that fact.

  5. #5 |  George | 

    San Bernadino sheriff’s department — that was the one that gave us Ivory Webb, the deputy who ordered an Iraqi war vet to stand up and then shot him when he did. The jury let him off. It will be interesting to see what happens in this case.

  6. #6 |  Michael Chaney | 

    Yes, Ivory Webb, the guy who:

    1. Doesn’t know how to give orders
    2. Can’t kill someone with three shots at point blank range when the other person is kneeling

    Even if you think he was justified in shooting, do you want an officer that is *that* utterly incompetent with a weapon?

    Come to think of it, maybe we do…

  7. #7 |  Blue | 

    You could probably create an entire blog devoted to this subject. In Memphis the problem is apparently rampant. Thaddeus Matthew’s a local blogger and radio talk show host death threatsafter reporting the news of two Memphis Police Officers’ DUI arrests.

    That’s not all, Even the police director has been caught trying to fix tickets in Memphis.

  8. #8 |  Andrew Williams | 

    The comment on the news story that I found most interesting was the guy that “called out” the cops that harassed Holtz. I wonder if that meeting in the parking lot @ Home Depot ever took place…

    Oh, and fuck tha police!

  9. #9 |  supercat | 

    IMHO, one thing that would help a lot would be to separate out the functions of peace officers and rev’nooers. Only peace officers would be allowed to make any preemptive use of force; rev’nooers who were up against tough criminals could have peace officers protect them, but the mission of the peace officers would be to protect the rev’nooers and to arrest people if necessary. If as a result of the peace officer’s presence nothing particularly eventful happens, great. The peace officer can be inferred to have done his job.

    Rev’nooers, unlike peace officers, would be expected to be somewhat unpleasant (it’s not as though people like paying taxes, after all). They should not, however, have the same level of power as peace officers. They should be allowed to carry and use weapons only in their capacity as citizens; they should have no special privileges in that regard.

  10. #10 |  Matt Moore | 

    Did the comments get erased? Damn, they must have been good.

  11. #11 |  Miggs | 


    No, they’re still there. Just give the page a few seconds to completely load and scroll down. For some reason the comments link at the top says zero.

  12. #12 |  annemg | 

    >>I would like some legislators to put a law on the books specifically against “professional courtesy” and make it against the law, with fines, depending on the offense punishable with jail time.<<

    I’m pretty sure this is the case.. either a law or department policy, strictly enforced… with the California Highway Patrol. Surprising, I know.

  13. #13 |  Matt Moore | 

    #10 – Nope, I can’t see them. Shrug.

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