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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: steph l</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-373631</link>
		<dc:creator>steph l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Citizen calls in/ pissed off could not get around me/tells cops drunk driver to get even/rogue cops/charge dui/ blood and alco test/ all negetive/ pay towing lawyer 3000.00/ case dismissed/ can i sue for damage and medical from trauma/ malicious cops had fun screwing with me 60 year old lady.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizen calls in/ pissed off could not get around me/tells cops drunk driver to get even/rogue cops/charge dui/ blood and alco test/ all negetive/ pay towing lawyer 3000.00/ case dismissed/ can i sue for damage and medical from trauma/ malicious cops had fun screwing with me 60 year old lady.</p>
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		<title>By: Melora</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-264704</link>
		<dc:creator>Melora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was followed by THREE police cars as I drove into my parking lot.  I was told that someone spotted a green Toyota.  I was over a mile away, on a different street.  My first that was &quot;how badly would I have to be swerving for a private citizen to report me and tree cop cars sent to find me.&quot;  Actually. maybe they sent other cars to check other possibe routs.  I was so confused and scared I did whatever they told me to. I failed the field sobriety test.  A word for those who don&#039;t know, if you are clumsy or nervous in the presents of three cops looking at you, DO NOT agree to the field sobriety test.  Or  get out there an practice your balancing skills and maybe get some counseling.  

They handcuffed me and took me to the jail.  I got 0.00 on the breathelizer.  If I had not taken the field tests, that would have been it.  Instead, they made me sign that I would allow all the tests they wanted to do or be fined $250 and lose my licence.  So they did more balancing acts.  I passed all the other tests I think.  Except I was crying the whole time.  The report is incomplete because they do not have the results of the urine test yet.  They won&#039;t tell me what they have on me, if anything.   I have to go back to  court May 5.  

They want me to take tests to prove I am still capable of driving.   This requires evaluationd from a doctora, eye examiner.  And I think I&#039;ll have to do it even if my case is  dismissed.  I&#039;m 55 and a very cautious driver.  I&#039;ve never even got a speeding ticket.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was followed by THREE police cars as I drove into my parking lot.  I was told that someone spotted a green Toyota.  I was over a mile away, on a different street.  My first that was &#8220;how badly would I have to be swerving for a private citizen to report me and tree cop cars sent to find me.&#8221;  Actually. maybe they sent other cars to check other possibe routs.  I was so confused and scared I did whatever they told me to. I failed the field sobriety test.  A word for those who don&#8217;t know, if you are clumsy or nervous in the presents of three cops looking at you, DO NOT agree to the field sobriety test.  Or  get out there an practice your balancing skills and maybe get some counseling.  </p>
<p>They handcuffed me and took me to the jail.  I got 0.00 on the breathelizer.  If I had not taken the field tests, that would have been it.  Instead, they made me sign that I would allow all the tests they wanted to do or be fined $250 and lose my licence.  So they did more balancing acts.  I passed all the other tests I think.  Except I was crying the whole time.  The report is incomplete because they do not have the results of the urine test yet.  They won&#8217;t tell me what they have on me, if anything.   I have to go back to  court May 5.  </p>
<p>They want me to take tests to prove I am still capable of driving.   This requires evaluationd from a doctora, eye examiner.  And I think I&#8217;ll have to do it even if my case is  dismissed.  I&#8217;m 55 and a very cautious driver.  I&#8217;ve never even got a speeding ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Video Catches Top Chicago DWI Cop in a Lie</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-250857</link>
		<dc:creator>The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Video Catches Top Chicago DWI Cop in a Lie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] written before about the problems with the use of boilerplate on DWI reports. The story also reinforces the importance of video to check against police misconduct.   Digg [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: PsychoPhil - Beer is History</title>
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		<dc:creator>PsychoPhil - Beer is History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] DWI Arrest at 0.0 This isn’t the first time pre-written, xeroxed or boilerplate DWI reports have come up. Not the first time someone’s been arrested at 0.0 (tags: politics police corruption) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] DWI Arrest at 0.0 This isn’t the first time pre-written, xeroxed or boilerplate DWI reports have come up. Not the first time someone’s been arrested at 0.0 (tags: politics police corruption) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-148459</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Officer Gonzalez lied. Plain and simple.&lt;/i&gt;
Yup.  The only other possibility is a very, very elaborate setup -- just this side of impossible on the face of it -- in which Gonzo and his superior were participants, as they had two chances to use the preposterously easy and ordinary way to escape the trap:  use the damn breathalyzer, rather wave their little . . . badges around. 

Beyond that, both Patrick here and Patterico over on Volokh.com, smart guys that they are, don&#039;t supply much of a motivation.  Here, it&#039;s &quot;having nothing better to do.&quot;  Hardly much of a reason to engage in a complicated, unlikely-to-succeed, and preposterously easy to defeat setup.  

Revenge?  Err . . . as one will recall, it was Jason Squires who, on behalf of his (probably guilty) client, beat Gonzo in court.   A good, professional police officer (I have no reason to think that Gonzo is) would shrug that off, but even a corrupt, mischievous attorney (and I have no reason to think Squires is that, either) can&#039;t get revenge over having won.

That said, and while IANAL, the credibility of a witness is, as I understand it, always relevant, and if and when Squires proves, in court, that Gonzo has lied in official matters, his PD may well end up deciding it&#039;s better to put him in charge of something where credibility is less important.

You know: promote him to Chief?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Officer Gonzalez lied. Plain and simple.</i><br />
Yup.  The only other possibility is a very, very elaborate setup &#8212; just this side of impossible on the face of it &#8212; in which Gonzo and his superior were participants, as they had two chances to use the preposterously easy and ordinary way to escape the trap:  use the damn breathalyzer, rather wave their little . . . badges around. </p>
<p>Beyond that, both Patrick here and Patterico over on Volokh.com, smart guys that they are, don&#8217;t supply much of a motivation.  Here, it&#8217;s &#8220;having nothing better to do.&#8221;  Hardly much of a reason to engage in a complicated, unlikely-to-succeed, and preposterously easy to defeat setup.  </p>
<p>Revenge?  Err . . . as one will recall, it was Jason Squires who, on behalf of his (probably guilty) client, beat Gonzo in court.   A good, professional police officer (I have no reason to think that Gonzo is) would shrug that off, but even a corrupt, mischievous attorney (and I have no reason to think Squires is that, either) can&#8217;t get revenge over having won.</p>
<p>That said, and while IANAL, the credibility of a witness is, as I understand it, always relevant, and if and when Squires proves, in court, that Gonzo has lied in official matters, his PD may well end up deciding it&#8217;s better to put him in charge of something where credibility is less important.</p>
<p>You know: promote him to Chief?</p>
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		<title>By: Edintally</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-148325</link>
		<dc:creator>Edintally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wilbur, in your little faith-based hypothesis how did she manage to get a duplicate vial, with a duplicate sticker, forged initials on the sticker, a duplicate plastic or paper police issue evidence bag to put the vial of clean blood into, and again forging initials and or signatures on the bag?  Do you think she broke into the police station or the lab to switch out bags?  Of course, this is all assuming the blood wasn&#039;t taken at a hospital and immediately sent to the lab. 

Maybe we should throw out our quaint procedures because an idiot judge and two idiot lawyers who live on the other side of the planet screwed up?  Or maybe, just maybe, we&#039;ll continue to use procedure and the rule of law, &#039;cause we&#039;re funny like that. 

It is funny though.  Put a Foster on my tab and shotgun it mate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilbur, in your little faith-based hypothesis how did she manage to get a duplicate vial, with a duplicate sticker, forged initials on the sticker, a duplicate plastic or paper police issue evidence bag to put the vial of clean blood into, and again forging initials and or signatures on the bag?  Do you think she broke into the police station or the lab to switch out bags?  Of course, this is all assuming the blood wasn&#8217;t taken at a hospital and immediately sent to the lab. </p>
<p>Maybe we should throw out our quaint procedures because an idiot judge and two idiot lawyers who live on the other side of the planet screwed up?  Or maybe, just maybe, we&#8217;ll continue to use procedure and the rule of law, &#8217;cause we&#8217;re funny like that. </p>
<p>It is funny though.  Put a Foster on my tab and shotgun it mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Richelsoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Richelsoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I personally know Jason and Heather Squires.  I am also a criminal defense attorney.  The stop was definitely not a &quot;publicity stunt.&quot;  Any suggestion that it was is ridiculous.  Jason was very worried about what would happen to his wife when she was taken away in handcuffs.  Imagine how you would feel about your wife being handcuffed and taken away with a bunch of male police officers after you had just beat the cop in question at trial.  

They were also very embarrassed about what happened and initially did not want to tell anyone about it, but eventually decided that letting others know about Officer Bond Gonzalez and what he did was the right thing to do.

The officer wrote on his Admin Per Se suspension form that he smelled the strong odor of alcohol on her breath.  Not on her clothes.  Officer Gonzalez lied.  Plain and simple.

Officers will routinely remove an individual from the car and away from passengers in order to isolate any odors.  In his report, the officer stated that the reason he removed Heather from the car was to be able to distinguish any odor of alcohol coming from her from the passengers.  Apparently, Officer Gonzalez never followed through on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally know Jason and Heather Squires.  I am also a criminal defense attorney.  The stop was definitely not a &#8220;publicity stunt.&#8221;  Any suggestion that it was is ridiculous.  Jason was very worried about what would happen to his wife when she was taken away in handcuffs.  Imagine how you would feel about your wife being handcuffed and taken away with a bunch of male police officers after you had just beat the cop in question at trial.  </p>
<p>They were also very embarrassed about what happened and initially did not want to tell anyone about it, but eventually decided that letting others know about Officer Bond Gonzalez and what he did was the right thing to do.</p>
<p>The officer wrote on his Admin Per Se suspension form that he smelled the strong odor of alcohol on her breath.  Not on her clothes.  Officer Gonzalez lied.  Plain and simple.</p>
<p>Officers will routinely remove an individual from the car and away from passengers in order to isolate any odors.  In his report, the officer stated that the reason he removed Heather from the car was to be able to distinguish any odor of alcohol coming from her from the passengers.  Apparently, Officer Gonzalez never followed through on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilbur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilbur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey I&#039;m with MikeC. Actually, with a lawyer in her car, I don&#039;t believe HER story. We recently had a case here in Australia where a very senior judge was caught out stealing his own blood test sample. In my (all aussie based) experience, no one is more dishonest about traffic offences than lawyers. 

Another lawyer is about to do jail time over here for nominating another driver for a series of traffic offences his car was sighted at. Er, only problem is, the nominated driver was deceased at the time of the offences.

The be-all end-all moment for me was a recent case where I found out a lawyer wished to lodge a formal complaint against me. I pointed out that my conversation with his client was recorded on my pocket mp3 device throughout the entire arrest. Surprise, surprise- the lawyer dropped everything without even listening to the recording, and his client turned up to court alone and plead guilty.

Funny old world ain&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I&#8217;m with MikeC. Actually, with a lawyer in her car, I don&#8217;t believe HER story. We recently had a case here in Australia where a very senior judge was caught out stealing his own blood test sample. In my (all aussie based) experience, no one is more dishonest about traffic offences than lawyers. </p>
<p>Another lawyer is about to do jail time over here for nominating another driver for a series of traffic offences his car was sighted at. Er, only problem is, the nominated driver was deceased at the time of the offences.</p>
<p>The be-all end-all moment for me was a recent case where I found out a lawyer wished to lodge a formal complaint against me. I pointed out that my conversation with his client was recorded on my pocket mp3 device throughout the entire arrest. Surprise, surprise- the lawyer dropped everything without even listening to the recording, and his client turned up to court alone and plead guilty.</p>
<p>Funny old world ain&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dreadnaught</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreadnaught</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If one was intoxicated on something else, she would not have smelled of booz.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one was intoxicated on something else, she would not have smelled of booz.</p>
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		<title>By: Rough Ol&#8217; Boy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guilty Until Proven Innocent</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-147561</link>
		<dc:creator>Rough Ol&#8217; Boy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guilty Until Proven Innocent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Professional Courtesy&#8221; and DWI</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-147459</link>
		<dc:creator>The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Professional Courtesy&#8221; and DWI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Earlier this week, I posted on a DUI case in Mesa, Arizona where a police officer oddly saw signs of drunkenness in a woman whose blood-alcohol level came back at .00.  Now out of San Jose, California comes a story about a well-connected former police officer who, apparently flat-out knockered, rear-ended an Escalade, which then flipped the median and struck an oncoming Jetta. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Earlier this week, I posted on a DUI case in Mesa, Arizona where a police officer oddly saw signs of drunkenness in a woman whose blood-alcohol level came back at .00.  Now out of San Jose, California comes a story about a well-connected former police officer who, apparently flat-out knockered, rear-ended an Escalade, which then flipped the median and struck an oncoming Jetta. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Hmmm, attorney and wife, with nothing better to do, set the stage by spilling a little booze on the wife, and acting out other objective symptoms. They drive around at night w/out headlights waiting to get pulled over. When they are, refuse to cooperate, and end up arrested. I suspect this is a publicity stunt by the lawyers, but then I’m cynical.&lt;/i&gt;

Not nearly cynical enough.  You forgot to explain why both the miscreant officer and his supervisor played along with the setup by refusing to require the driver to submit to a breathalyzer test, which would have made it clear that she wasn&#039;t drinking, and would have saved the officer from having to invent her smelling of alcohol.  (Note:  not the car.  &quot;Strong odor of an alcoholic beverage emitting &lt;i&gt;from breath&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;  Emphasis added.)

It&#039;s actually a conspiracy by the officer, his supervisor, the lawyer, and her husband.  And throw in Steve Berry, the spokesman for the department, who forgot to invent a story about how both Gonzalez&#039;s and his supervisor&#039;s breathalyzer&#039;s, along with their homework, was eaten by the dog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hmmm, attorney and wife, with nothing better to do, set the stage by spilling a little booze on the wife, and acting out other objective symptoms. They drive around at night w/out headlights waiting to get pulled over. When they are, refuse to cooperate, and end up arrested. I suspect this is a publicity stunt by the lawyers, but then I’m cynical.</i></p>
<p>Not nearly cynical enough.  You forgot to explain why both the miscreant officer and his supervisor played along with the setup by refusing to require the driver to submit to a breathalyzer test, which would have made it clear that she wasn&#8217;t drinking, and would have saved the officer from having to invent her smelling of alcohol.  (Note:  not the car.  &#8220;Strong odor of an alcoholic beverage emitting <i>from breath</i>.&#8221;  Emphasis added.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually a conspiracy by the officer, his supervisor, the lawyer, and her husband.  And throw in Steve Berry, the spokesman for the department, who forgot to invent a story about how both Gonzalez&#8217;s and his supervisor&#8217;s breathalyzer&#8217;s, along with their homework, was eaten by the dog.</p>
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		<title>By: John Skookum</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-147356</link>
		<dc:creator>John Skookum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;bob&quot; blathers about &quot;knuckle-dragging neo-cons&quot; who want to outlaw homosex.  Bob is using the word neo-con incorrectly.  The word he wants is &quot;paleo-con&quot; or &quot;evangelical conservative.&quot;  The neo-conservative movement refers to former liberals, many but not all of them Jewish, who favor a muscular and interventionist military and foreign policy centered around the security of Israel.  They care less about homosex and other domestic social issues than any other kind of conservative except perhaps the &quot;libertarian conservatives,&quot; of which I am one.  Too many ignorant leftists use &quot;neo-con&quot; as a general term of abuse for anyone on the Right with whom they disagree, much like the word &quot;fascist.&quot;  It is a sign of sloppy thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;bob&#8221; blathers about &#8220;knuckle-dragging neo-cons&#8221; who want to outlaw homosex.  Bob is using the word neo-con incorrectly.  The word he wants is &#8220;paleo-con&#8221; or &#8220;evangelical conservative.&#8221;  The neo-conservative movement refers to former liberals, many but not all of them Jewish, who favor a muscular and interventionist military and foreign policy centered around the security of Israel.  They care less about homosex and other domestic social issues than any other kind of conservative except perhaps the &#8220;libertarian conservatives,&#8221; of which I am one.  Too many ignorant leftists use &#8220;neo-con&#8221; as a general term of abuse for anyone on the Right with whom they disagree, much like the word &#8220;fascist.&#8221;  It is a sign of sloppy thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: You All Disgust Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>You All Disgust Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;BAC of 0.0 is NOT just cause for a DUI arrest!...&lt;/strong&gt;

Designated driver?  Check.
Refused roadside sobriety test?  Check (and good for her!)
Woman incarcerated and blood test comes back 0.0?  Check.
Falsifying a police report in a petty attempt to get revenge?  Oh you&#8217;d better believe that&#8217;s a ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>BAC of 0.0 is NOT just cause for a DUI arrest!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Designated driver?  Check.<br />
Refused roadside sobriety test?  Check (and good for her!)<br />
Woman incarcerated and blood test comes back 0.0?  Check.<br />
Falsifying a police report in a petty attempt to get revenge?  Oh you&#8217;d better believe that&#8217;s a &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dylboz</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-147204</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylboz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cops lie. Field sobriety tests are designed to be failed, even sober people, cops even, can;t pass them, they are a farce invented to create evidence of impairment where none exists. Do not ever, for any reason, take one. It will only make things worse.

Oh yeah, and cops lie. Always. Every time they sit in the witness box, every piece of paperwork they file, even when they know there is a goddamned camera on their dashboard recording everything they do and say, they still fucking LIE.

Did I mention that police officers are dishonest? And don&#039;t get me started on prosecutors...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cops lie. Field sobriety tests are designed to be failed, even sober people, cops even, can;t pass them, they are a farce invented to create evidence of impairment where none exists. Do not ever, for any reason, take one. It will only make things worse.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and cops lie. Always. Every time they sit in the witness box, every piece of paperwork they file, even when they know there is a goddamned camera on their dashboard recording everything they do and say, they still fucking LIE.</p>
<p>Did I mention that police officers are dishonest? And don&#8217;t get me started on prosecutors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Flash Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-147198</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As evidence that DUI laws are not about making the roads safe but getting convictions, did you know that in most states the law refers to operation of a &quot;vehicle&quot; while drunk, and that bicycles are included in the definition of vehicle.  You can get a DUI, with all the same consequences, for riding a bicycle with a BAC over the limit.

There are man collateral consequences to a DUI that go beyond the court sentence, fines, loss of drivers&#039; license, shy-high insurance rates for several years.  For example, one DUI bars you from entering Canada for 5 years, a second one bars you for life.  One DUI results in the loss of a commercial drivers&#039; license for 1 year, a second DUI costs you your CDI for life.  This is in all states by the way because it is federal law.

A DUI also has consequences for professional licenses of lawyers, doctors, engineers, architects, etc.

There are many more and the injustice of it is that a DUI does make you an alcoholic or even a dangerous driver because the BAC level that will get you in trouble, .08, is a political and not a scientific standard.  The drivers that are actually dangerous and cause accidents invariably have BAC levels of .15 and above.

But no one cares.  This is not about logic, justice or safety.  It is about politics and allowing a bunch of MADD women work out their anger and hatred.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As evidence that DUI laws are not about making the roads safe but getting convictions, did you know that in most states the law refers to operation of a &#8220;vehicle&#8221; while drunk, and that bicycles are included in the definition of vehicle.  You can get a DUI, with all the same consequences, for riding a bicycle with a BAC over the limit.</p>
<p>There are man collateral consequences to a DUI that go beyond the court sentence, fines, loss of drivers&#8217; license, shy-high insurance rates for several years.  For example, one DUI bars you from entering Canada for 5 years, a second one bars you for life.  One DUI results in the loss of a commercial drivers&#8217; license for 1 year, a second DUI costs you your CDI for life.  This is in all states by the way because it is federal law.</p>
<p>A DUI also has consequences for professional licenses of lawyers, doctors, engineers, architects, etc.</p>
<p>There are many more and the injustice of it is that a DUI does make you an alcoholic or even a dangerous driver because the BAC level that will get you in trouble, .08, is a political and not a scientific standard.  The drivers that are actually dangerous and cause accidents invariably have BAC levels of .15 and above.</p>
<p>But no one cares.  This is not about logic, justice or safety.  It is about politics and allowing a bunch of MADD women work out their anger and hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: Flash Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-147193</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The MADD mothers are an angry and bitter and politically powerful group of lobbyists.  Some [not all or even a majority] of them have suffered the loss of a loved one by a drunk driver and that is a personal tragedy for them.  But good public policy is not made by bitter and angry people.

By tugging at the heart strings of the public and sabotaging the public&#039;s ability to think clearly about drunk driving laws we have a system that no longer has much of anything to do with making the highways safer and mostly to do with just getting as many convictions as possible.  The police officer who will get the most public praise and enjoy the most job security will be the one with the most DUI arrests.  

In one locality that I am familiar with almost all the DUI police reports stated that the officer&#039;s first clue that he might be dealing with a drunk driver was that he noticed the driver used the driver door for balance and support as he exited the vehicle.  In any case that went to trial the officer would testify to that.

So the local DUI Bar set up a video camera to take videos of police officers exiting their patrol cars in the police station parking lot.  Every one of them was caught on video using their driver side door for balance and support while exiting the vehicle.   The video tape was given to the local TV stations.  Since then the police reports do not mention leaning on the door, and it has not come up in any cases that went to court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MADD mothers are an angry and bitter and politically powerful group of lobbyists.  Some [not all or even a majority] of them have suffered the loss of a loved one by a drunk driver and that is a personal tragedy for them.  But good public policy is not made by bitter and angry people.</p>
<p>By tugging at the heart strings of the public and sabotaging the public&#8217;s ability to think clearly about drunk driving laws we have a system that no longer has much of anything to do with making the highways safer and mostly to do with just getting as many convictions as possible.  The police officer who will get the most public praise and enjoy the most job security will be the one with the most DUI arrests.  </p>
<p>In one locality that I am familiar with almost all the DUI police reports stated that the officer&#8217;s first clue that he might be dealing with a drunk driver was that he noticed the driver used the driver door for balance and support as he exited the vehicle.  In any case that went to trial the officer would testify to that.</p>
<p>So the local DUI Bar set up a video camera to take videos of police officers exiting their patrol cars in the police station parking lot.  Every one of them was caught on video using their driver side door for balance and support while exiting the vehicle.   The video tape was given to the local TV stations.  Since then the police reports do not mention leaning on the door, and it has not come up in any cases that went to court.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Halperin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-147174</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DOn&#039;t forget also that in many states (all?) you can be charged with DUI for just sitting in a parked car while being drunk, becase you&#039;re considered to have &quot;control of the vehicle.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOn&#8217;t forget also that in many states (all?) you can be charged with DUI for just sitting in a parked car while being drunk, becase you&#8217;re considered to have &#8220;control of the vehicle.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Halperin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-147168</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This happened in Phoenix. Did anyone here note the officer&#039;s name? It&#039;s Gonzalez.

Looks like Mexican police corruption is headed your way. Buckle up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This happened in Phoenix. Did anyone here note the officer&#8217;s name? It&#8217;s Gonzalez.</p>
<p>Looks like Mexican police corruption is headed your way. Buckle up.</p>
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		<title>By: Edintally</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/comment-page-2/#comment-147163</link>
		<dc:creator>Edintally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MikeC

&quot;because you dont have a clue about how law enforcement works.&quot;

The problem isn&#039;t that we don&#039;t know how law enforcement works.  

The problem is that we DO KNOW how it works.  

The fact that you don&#039;t see the inherent problems associated with institutions, especially institutions with power over our daily lives, speaks volumes about your choice to remain ignorant even when the facts are clearly pointed out to you.

Law enforcement, as an institution, resists change unless that change benefits themselves, usually in the form of more power.  Even if individual officers understand and desire the kind of change or reform the public at large wants, as individuals they are still at the mercy of the institution.  Police understand this and either decide to become institutionalized or they leave (burn out).  Obviously, this helps to perpetuate the institution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeC</p>
<p>&#8220;because you dont have a clue about how law enforcement works.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t that we don&#8217;t know how law enforcement works.  </p>
<p>The problem is that we DO KNOW how it works.  </p>
<p>The fact that you don&#8217;t see the inherent problems associated with institutions, especially institutions with power over our daily lives, speaks volumes about your choice to remain ignorant even when the facts are clearly pointed out to you.</p>
<p>Law enforcement, as an institution, resists change unless that change benefits themselves, usually in the form of more power.  Even if individual officers understand and desire the kind of change or reform the public at large wants, as individuals they are still at the mercy of the institution.  Police understand this and either decide to become institutionalized or they leave (burn out).  Obviously, this helps to perpetuate the institution.</p>
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