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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Dr X</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-136084</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have to say, Gore Vidal pwn3d that interviewer….&lt;/i&gt;

Vidal behaved like a graceless ass.  I&#039;m no fan of McCain, but the only acceptable defense I can imagine for Vidal is dementia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have to say, Gore Vidal pwn3d that interviewer….</i></p>
<p>Vidal behaved like a graceless ass.  I&#8217;m no fan of McCain, but the only acceptable defense I can imagine for Vidal is dementia.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135711</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is why I’m uncomfortable with making possession of child porn a crime, without requiring the state to prove intent.&lt;/i&gt;

Wait, aren&#039;t you the same guy who said Mary Ruwart was a nutjob for questioning child porn laws?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is why I’m uncomfortable with making possession of child porn a crime, without requiring the state to prove intent.</i></p>
<p>Wait, aren&#8217;t you the same guy who said Mary Ruwart was a nutjob for questioning child porn laws?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135694</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to love the &quot;Ready, Fire, Aim&quot; mentality our society has come up with.  Don&#039;t wait to find out about guilt or innocense, just go ahead and destroy someone&#039;s life with just an accusation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to love the &#8220;Ready, Fire, Aim&#8221; mentality our society has come up with.  Don&#8217;t wait to find out about guilt or innocense, just go ahead and destroy someone&#8217;s life with just an accusation.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135447</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; If you possess or look at an image of a crime being committed you are guilty of a crime? How about the prosecutors, judges cops and jurors? They seen it too. Are they now criminals? &quot;

In this case the viewing is the crime.  I hope you can see the difference between between jacking off to a ten year old boy and watching a robbery on a security camera.  Is a nurse that does a rape kit as guilty as the rapist?  No.  Also, why can&#039;t you pederasts understand that viewing child porn and rape porn is morally equivalent to being there watching the act.  


&quot;Does confinement in a prison camp with torture constitute heroism?&quot;

Yes, especially when you keep your mouth shut.  I&#039;m sure many at Gitmo are considered heroes by their supporters.  They&#039;ve probably earned some respect from their captors also just as I&#039;m sure McCain earned respect from the VC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; If you possess or look at an image of a crime being committed you are guilty of a crime? How about the prosecutors, judges cops and jurors? They seen it too. Are they now criminals? &#8221;</p>
<p>In this case the viewing is the crime.  I hope you can see the difference between between jacking off to a ten year old boy and watching a robbery on a security camera.  Is a nurse that does a rape kit as guilty as the rapist?  No.  Also, why can&#8217;t you pederasts understand that viewing child porn and rape porn is morally equivalent to being there watching the act.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Does confinement in a prison camp with torture constitute heroism?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, especially when you keep your mouth shut.  I&#8217;m sure many at Gitmo are considered heroes by their supporters.  They&#8217;ve probably earned some respect from their captors also just as I&#8217;m sure McCain earned respect from the VC.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135422</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pris - It was journalists who spent too much time on the man&#039;s death, and journalists who complained about it. Why did we hear only the journalists and not the &quot;common people?&quot; Because they own the printing press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pris &#8211; It was journalists who spent too much time on the man&#8217;s death, and journalists who complained about it. Why did we hear only the journalists and not the &#8220;common people?&#8221; Because they own the printing press.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135253</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never quite understood the rationality pedoporn laws either.  If you possess or look at an image of a crime being committed you are guilty of a crime?  How about the prosecutors, judges cops and jurors?  They seen it too.  Are they now criminals?  After all they looked at it.  We&#039;ve all watched and many even possess images and videos of the attacks on 9/11.  Are we all terrorists now because we viewed and illegal act?  We&#039;ve all seen vidoes of beatings, robberies and other crimes on youtube and such.  Are we all criminals because of it?

It seems more like the intent is to make the public feel good about &quot;doing something&quot; and to provide more employment for those employed in the &quot;justice&quot; industries.  If you wish to hunt down and prosecute those who actually committed the alleged illegal act then have at it I suppose but spending all the time and effort chasing people who viewed an image doesn&#039;t make much sense.  About as much sense as devoting officers to slink around the internet talking dirty to pervs and entrapping them.  It just doesn&#039;t seem a productive use of resources that we are constantly told are stretched thin and needing more tax money.

I think in the final analysis I&#039;d rather have pervs sitting behind monitors getting their jerk on to perverted pictures rather than sacrifice Liberty, privacy and endangering countless innocent people in a witch hunt over pictures.

Oh and yes the russert coverage was way, way over the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never quite understood the rationality pedoporn laws either.  If you possess or look at an image of a crime being committed you are guilty of a crime?  How about the prosecutors, judges cops and jurors?  They seen it too.  Are they now criminals?  After all they looked at it.  We&#8217;ve all watched and many even possess images and videos of the attacks on 9/11.  Are we all terrorists now because we viewed and illegal act?  We&#8217;ve all seen vidoes of beatings, robberies and other crimes on youtube and such.  Are we all criminals because of it?</p>
<p>It seems more like the intent is to make the public feel good about &#8220;doing something&#8221; and to provide more employment for those employed in the &#8220;justice&#8221; industries.  If you wish to hunt down and prosecute those who actually committed the alleged illegal act then have at it I suppose but spending all the time and effort chasing people who viewed an image doesn&#8217;t make much sense.  About as much sense as devoting officers to slink around the internet talking dirty to pervs and entrapping them.  It just doesn&#8217;t seem a productive use of resources that we are constantly told are stretched thin and needing more tax money.</p>
<p>I think in the final analysis I&#8217;d rather have pervs sitting behind monitors getting their jerk on to perverted pictures rather than sacrifice Liberty, privacy and endangering countless innocent people in a witch hunt over pictures.</p>
<p>Oh and yes the russert coverage was way, way over the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Against Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Against Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Is there a new economic singularity on the horizon?

Almost certainly.

A working &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.emc2fusion.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fusion reactor design&lt;/a&gt; within the next three to five years. Low cost energy.

Computers with the computing power of the human brain within ten years. Machines capable of mundane tasks that only be done by a human level intelligence.

Nanoscale molecular assembly technology possibly within twenty Years. Low cost materials and manufacturing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Is there a new economic singularity on the horizon?</p>
<p>Almost certainly.</p>
<p>A working <a href="http://www.emc2fusion.org/" rel="nofollow">fusion reactor design</a> within the next three to five years. Low cost energy.</p>
<p>Computers with the computing power of the human brain within ten years. Machines capable of mundane tasks that only be done by a human level intelligence.</p>
<p>Nanoscale molecular assembly technology possibly within twenty Years. Low cost materials and manufacturing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Leatherwood</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135149</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Leatherwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does confinement in a prison camp with torture constitute heroism? Vidal may have been trying to make such a point...maybe....

If so, would torturing and imprisoning those in Gitmo make those folks heroes as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does confinement in a prison camp with torture constitute heroism? Vidal may have been trying to make such a point&#8230;maybe&#8230;.</p>
<p>If so, would torturing and imprisoning those in Gitmo make those folks heroes as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Tokin42</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135107</link>
		<dc:creator>Tokin42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26

McCain wants to make heroes out of those in Gitmo? Could you elaborate a bit cause I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re getting at.</description>
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<p>McCain wants to make heroes out of those in Gitmo? Could you elaborate a bit cause I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re getting at.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135105</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Tokin42.  For those who didn&#039;t get the Buckley reference: http://youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Tokin42.  For those who didn&#8217;t get the Buckley reference: <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: pris</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135079</link>
		<dc:creator>pris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, regarding Tim Russert- too much info, NBC mourned him for too long?

Tim Russert was one of the most liked and respected of political journalists.  By the common people, you and me. The only people who are complaining it seems are other journalists.  

Why shouldn&#039;t NBC mourn him for as long as they want? He was an extraordinqry person and mentor.  I would much prefer the info about Tim Russert and the conversations that took place on MSNBC than the drivel the networks usually provide.

Isn&#039;t it extraordinary to hear that too much time is spent in mourning a beloved? Only in America. Only by journalists who provide entertainment instead of unbiased news. Neil Postman in his book &#039;Amusing Ourselves To Death&#039; would be astonished that there was one person in the news business that should be afforded this amount of time and information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, regarding Tim Russert- too much info, NBC mourned him for too long?</p>
<p>Tim Russert was one of the most liked and respected of political journalists.  By the common people, you and me. The only people who are complaining it seems are other journalists.  </p>
<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t NBC mourn him for as long as they want? He was an extraordinqry person and mentor.  I would much prefer the info about Tim Russert and the conversations that took place on MSNBC than the drivel the networks usually provide.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it extraordinary to hear that too much time is spent in mourning a beloved? Only in America. Only by journalists who provide entertainment instead of unbiased news. Neil Postman in his book &#8216;Amusing Ourselves To Death&#8217; would be astonished that there was one person in the news business that should be afforded this amount of time and information.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Leatherwood</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-135060</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Leatherwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how McCain wants to make heroes out of those it Gitmo.

Perhaps Vidal is a crank, but there is some truth there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how McCain wants to make heroes out of those it Gitmo.</p>
<p>Perhaps Vidal is a crank, but there is some truth there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marnate =  Marinate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marnate =  Marinate.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/17/morning-links-54/comment-page-1/#comment-134985</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, yes, I know. Merely arguing about child porn laws makes me a degenerate child predator who would roast poor innocent preschoolers on a spit before consuming them with sautéed
mushrooms and a good Cabernet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Asshat!  First you should marnate them, then roast them, with a good rotissiere.  And they go wonderfully with brussel sprouts with hollandaise sauce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, yes, I know. Merely arguing about child porn laws makes me a degenerate child predator who would roast poor innocent preschoolers on a spit before consuming them with sautéed<br />
mushrooms and a good Cabernet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Asshat!  First you should marnate them, then roast them, with a good rotissiere.  And they go wonderfully with brussel sprouts with hollandaise sauce.</p>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vidal pwnd himself in teh squeekhole with that one.  There is no way for him to recover from that.  He&#039;s going to be &quot;the guy who claimed that McCain was never in a POW camp&quot; from here out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vidal pwnd himself in teh squeekhole with that one.  There is no way for him to recover from that.  He&#8217;s going to be &#8220;the guy who claimed that McCain was never in a POW camp&#8221; from here out.</p>
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		<title>By: James D</title>
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		<dc:creator>James D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Vidal interview confirmed every bad thought I&#039;ve had about him ... thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Vidal interview confirmed every bad thought I&#8217;ve had about him &#8230; thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tokin42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tokin42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gore Vidal is a old loon and an idiot who obviously still has &quot;daddy&quot; issues and probably doesn&#039;t even know where he is.  WFBuckley should have punched him in the mouth when he had the chance.  I&#039;d pay money to see McCain (a politician I dislike but nevertheless) beat the piss out of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gore Vidal is a old loon and an idiot who obviously still has &#8220;daddy&#8221; issues and probably doesn&#8217;t even know where he is.  WFBuckley should have punched him in the mouth when he had the chance.  I&#8217;d pay money to see McCain (a politician I dislike but nevertheless) beat the piss out of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter is an attorney who has defended child porn cases.  She  even appealed a Federal child porn case up to the 9th Circuit and won (United States v. McCoy).  I don&#039;t think intent is much of a hurdle for the prosecutors.  Like drug cases, if they can put you in possession of the material, they will almost certainly win the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter is an attorney who has defended child porn cases.  She  even appealed a Federal child porn case up to the 9th Circuit and won (United States v. McCoy).  I don&#8217;t think intent is much of a hurdle for the prosecutors.  Like drug cases, if they can put you in possession of the material, they will almost certainly win the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eduardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t wait to be a hilarious old man like  Vidal</description>
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		<title>By: HorseRadishMetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>HorseRadishMetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highway, the possession of child pornography does not fit into a supply and demand model because it involves no economic transaction. The fact that someone possesses child pornography has no impact on the supply side unless that person has somehow encouraged or supported the supplier, which is far from guaranteed in a world where digital files can be replicated ad infinitum. It&#039;s amazing that the same people who denounce file sharing of legal media on the basis that it cuts into the revenue of the producers and distributors can turn around and argue that people who download illegal pornography without paying are somehow contributing directly to the sustenance of the &#039;child porn industry&#039;. 

Irrational nonsense that could only have come out of the US and UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highway, the possession of child pornography does not fit into a supply and demand model because it involves no economic transaction. The fact that someone possesses child pornography has no impact on the supply side unless that person has somehow encouraged or supported the supplier, which is far from guaranteed in a world where digital files can be replicated ad infinitum. It&#8217;s amazing that the same people who denounce file sharing of legal media on the basis that it cuts into the revenue of the producers and distributors can turn around and argue that people who download illegal pornography without paying are somehow contributing directly to the sustenance of the &#8216;child porn industry&#8217;. </p>
<p>Irrational nonsense that could only have come out of the US and UK.</p>
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