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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/13/why-we-shouldnt-just-trust-them/comment-page-1/#comment-134405</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15, forgive me, but you are joking, aren&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15, forgive me, but you are joking, aren&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: ParatrooperJJ</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/13/why-we-shouldnt-just-trust-them/comment-page-1/#comment-134284</link>
		<dc:creator>ParatrooperJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They could always declare them Title I  POWs and then immediatly execute them as spies.  Solves the whole problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could always declare them Title I  POWs and then immediatly execute them as spies.  Solves the whole problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Green</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/13/why-we-shouldnt-just-trust-them/comment-page-1/#comment-133914</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US has to do something with these&quot; combatants &quot;sooner not later. After 6 years in solitary ,they know nothing about anything current, if they ever did, actually. The world is watching and knows the US is wrong on Gitmo. Congress should try to rename the place CAMP BUSH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US has to do something with these&#8221; combatants &#8220;sooner not later. After 6 years in solitary ,they know nothing about anything current, if they ever did, actually. The world is watching and knows the US is wrong on Gitmo. Congress should try to rename the place CAMP BUSH.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/13/why-we-shouldnt-just-trust-them/comment-page-1/#comment-133391</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;Maybe if Hillary becomes president, orders the CIA to secretly kidnap Sean Hannity and hold him forever without charge and completely shut off from the outside world so not even his family knows where he is, maybe then, the neocons might see it.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not in favor of the tactics, but this would certainly make for high comedy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Maybe if Hillary becomes president, orders the CIA to secretly kidnap Sean Hannity and hold him forever without charge and completely shut off from the outside world so not even his family knows where he is, maybe then, the neocons might see it.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not in favor of the tactics, but this would certainly make for high comedy!</p>
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		<title>By: paulc</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lots of ostriches with head in sand.

you need to review the Koran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lots of ostriches with head in sand.</p>
<p>you need to review the Koran</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/13/why-we-shouldnt-just-trust-them/comment-page-1/#comment-133351</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article mentions that the Austrialian was convicted.

Is that true? Is so, is there a distinction (I really do not know and have always wondered).

I thought he plead guilty in order to serve his sentence in Austrialia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article mentions that the Austrialian was convicted.</p>
<p>Is that true? Is so, is there a distinction (I really do not know and have always wondered).</p>
<p>I thought he plead guilty in order to serve his sentence in Austrialia.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chsw,

Mao and Stalin would agree wholeheartedly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chsw,</p>
<p>Mao and Stalin would agree wholeheartedly!</p>
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		<title>By: Laertes</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/13/why-we-shouldnt-just-trust-them/comment-page-1/#comment-133236</link>
		<dc:creator>Laertes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, chsw, it&#039;d be much tidier if every time some thug rolled up on our guys with some tied-up goatherder who&#039;d offended his clan, our marines had simply murdered the prisoner on the spot.

Gives you a hard-on, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, chsw, it&#8217;d be much tidier if every time some thug rolled up on our guys with some tied-up goatherder who&#8217;d offended his clan, our marines had simply murdered the prisoner on the spot.</p>
<p>Gives you a hard-on, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: chsw</title>
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		<dc:creator>chsw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that we should immediately fly the Saudi citizens in Gitmo back to the Wahhabbi paradise, where the enlightened souls ruling that beneficent kingdom will have them shot on the tarmac.  

As has been pointed out many times, Gitmo would not have been necessary if US military adopted a &quot;take-no-prisoners&quot; rule of engagement.  

chsw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we should immediately fly the Saudi citizens in Gitmo back to the Wahhabbi paradise, where the enlightened souls ruling that beneficent kingdom will have them shot on the tarmac.  </p>
<p>As has been pointed out many times, Gitmo would not have been necessary if US military adopted a &#8220;take-no-prisoners&#8221; rule of engagement.  </p>
<p>chsw</p>
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		<title>By: Wavemancali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavemancali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JWH

Until they receive a fair trial here is your list of names.

We weren&#039;t even allowed to know their names until they had been imprisoned for 4 years.

What is a reasonable amount of time to be able to defend yourself against such charges? I don&#039;t think 4 years passes muster.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/gitmo_detainees_051506.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JWH</p>
<p>Until they receive a fair trial here is your list of names.</p>
<p>We weren&#8217;t even allowed to know their names until they had been imprisoned for 4 years.</p>
<p>What is a reasonable amount of time to be able to defend yourself against such charges? I don&#8217;t think 4 years passes muster.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/gitmo_detainees_051506.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/gitmo_detainees_051506.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Laertes</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/13/why-we-shouldnt-just-trust-them/comment-page-1/#comment-133186</link>
		<dc:creator>Laertes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jwh is your garden-variety pants-wetting authoritarian type.

Greg London at Making Light dissected this personality type some time ago and explained the function of the squishy bits inside:

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010143.html#259010

&quot;What happens then is that rather than attack the thing that makes them afraid (the terrrists), they prefer to focus their attention on anything that threatens their peace of mind, which is to say, they attack anyone who says they can&#039;t trust the government. The gummamint gives them a sense of security because they believe power and authority is the answer. If you question power and authority, you question the very basis of their security, you threaten to force them to take back their exported fear, and so they attack you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jwh is your garden-variety pants-wetting authoritarian type.</p>
<p>Greg London at Making Light dissected this personality type some time ago and explained the function of the squishy bits inside:</p>
<p><a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010143.html#259010" rel="nofollow">http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010143.html#259010</a></p>
<p>&#8220;What happens then is that rather than attack the thing that makes them afraid (the terrrists), they prefer to focus their attention on anything that threatens their peace of mind, which is to say, they attack anyone who says they can&#8217;t trust the government. The gummamint gives them a sense of security because they believe power and authority is the answer. If you question power and authority, you question the very basis of their security, you threaten to force them to take back their exported fear, and so they attack you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!  RESPECT MY AUTHORITA!

If jwh is being honest in his statements and not just trying to elicit a reaction, then I&#039;d say he must enjoy being lied to, especially by his master The Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!  RESPECT MY AUTHORITA!</p>
<p>If jwh is being honest in his statements and not just trying to elicit a reaction, then I&#8217;d say he must enjoy being lied to, especially by his master The Government.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Please name any Gitmo detainee who has been falsely imprisoned by the government’s abuse of the Patriot Act? I only want one name…..just one…….&lt;/i&gt;

Ah, guilty until proven innocent.  How un-American of you.  Why not RTFA?  &quot;...less than half the inmates were determined to have committed a hostile act against the United States or its allies. Only 8 percent are suspected to be Al Qaeda fighters.&quot;

Do the fucking math.  All of the hundreds of released detainees were guilty?  Really?  All of them?  

You don&#039;t deserve a name, but here&#039;s one:  Murat Kurnaz.  There was no evidence against him, so he was released, but the government still has him labeled as an &quot;enemy combatant.&quot;  

Another name: Abdul Razzaq Hekmati died of cancer at Guantanamo where he was held for being a member of the Taliban, even though his struggle against the Taliban (who had imprisoned him) was well documented.

The question is, why do you trust the government to be 100% efficient at arresting only guilty people when it&#039;s not 100% efficient at doing anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Please name any Gitmo detainee who has been falsely imprisoned by the government’s abuse of the Patriot Act? I only want one name…..just one…….</i></p>
<p>Ah, guilty until proven innocent.  How un-American of you.  Why not RTFA?  &#8220;&#8230;less than half the inmates were determined to have committed a hostile act against the United States or its allies. Only 8 percent are suspected to be Al Qaeda fighters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do the fucking math.  All of the hundreds of released detainees were guilty?  Really?  All of them?  </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t deserve a name, but here&#8217;s one:  Murat Kurnaz.  There was no evidence against him, so he was released, but the government still has him labeled as an &#8220;enemy combatant.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Another name: Abdul Razzaq Hekmati died of cancer at Guantanamo where he was held for being a member of the Taliban, even though his struggle against the Taliban (who had imprisoned him) was well documented.</p>
<p>The question is, why do you trust the government to be 100% efficient at arresting only guilty people when it&#8217;s not 100% efficient at doing anything?</p>
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		<title>By: z</title>
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		<dc:creator>z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if Hillary becomes president, orders the CIA to secretly kidnap Sean Hannity and hold him forever without charge and completely shut off from the outside world so not even his family knows where he is, maybe then, the neocons might see it.  Until then, incredibly, they seem to trust the government with this unlimited, unchecked, totalitarian power.  They would never abuse it or make a mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if Hillary becomes president, orders the CIA to secretly kidnap Sean Hannity and hold him forever without charge and completely shut off from the outside world so not even his family knows where he is, maybe then, the neocons might see it.  Until then, incredibly, they seem to trust the government with this unlimited, unchecked, totalitarian power.  They would never abuse it or make a mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: jwh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please name any Gitmo detainee who has been falsely imprisoned by the government&#039;s abuse of the Patriot Act?  I only want one name.....just one.......

.....and what about all of their countries of citizenship that DON&#039;T WANT THEM BACK?!?

We&#039;re not talking about boy scouts here (paying no disrepect to the unfortunate ones in Iowa, to be sure).  

Which of you readers are going to go face the surviors of the innocents that these vermin kill when they&#039;re set loose on the world?  C&#039;mon, don&#039;t be shy.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please name any Gitmo detainee who has been falsely imprisoned by the government&#8217;s abuse of the Patriot Act?  I only want one name&#8230;..just one&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;..and what about all of their countries of citizenship that DON&#8217;T WANT THEM BACK?!?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not talking about boy scouts here (paying no disrepect to the unfortunate ones in Iowa, to be sure).  </p>
<p>Which of you readers are going to go face the surviors of the innocents that these vermin kill when they&#8217;re set loose on the world?  C&#8217;mon, don&#8217;t be shy&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Danno49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danno49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So there are 385 left from an all-time high of 680.  And they have been there since 2003.  They &#039;plan&#039; on formally charging 60 to 80.  What the fuck is the hold up?  Shit or get off the pot already, Bushies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So there are 385 left from an all-time high of 680.  And they have been there since 2003.  They &#8216;plan&#8217; on formally charging 60 to 80.  What the fuck is the hold up?  Shit or get off the pot already, Bushies!</p>
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