Why We Shouldn’t Just Trust Them

Friday, June 13th, 2008

Pardon the indulgence of quoting myself, here’s why Gitmo cases need to be reviewed by an independent judiciary:

In May 2003, Guantanamo held 680 prisoners, the highest number to date. About half have since been released. The Bush administration has claimed the prisoners at the camp represent the “worst of the worst” terrorist threats to the U.S. But when the Seton Hall law professor Mark Denbeaux and the defense attorney Joshua Denbeaux analyzed information supplied by the Defense Department, they found that less than half the inmates were determined to have committed a hostile act against the United States or its allies. Only 8 percent are suspected to be Al Qaeda fighters.

Of the 385 still held at Guantanamo, the Pentagon plans to formally charge 60 to 80. To date, just two have been tried by a military tribunal, and only one, Australian David Hicks, has been convicted. He was sentenced to nine months in prison, which he was allowed to serve in Australia.

That was written in September of last year, and if memory serves, there may have been another conviction since then.

Point is, just because the Bush administration says these are awful people doesn’t necessarily mean that all of them are.

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16 Responses to “Why We Shouldn’t Just Trust Them”

  1. #1 |  Danno49 | 

    So there are 385 left from an all-time high of 680. And they have been there since 2003. They ‘plan’ on formally charging 60 to 80. What the fuck is the hold up? Shit or get off the pot already, Bushies!

  2. #2 |  jwh | 

    Please name any Gitmo detainee who has been falsely imprisoned by the government’s abuse of the Patriot Act? I only want one name…..just one…….

    …..and what about all of their countries of citizenship that DON’T WANT THEM BACK?!?

    We’re not talking about boy scouts here (paying no disrepect to the unfortunate ones in Iowa, to be sure).

    Which of you readers are going to go face the surviors of the innocents that these vermin kill when they’re set loose on the world? C’mon, don’t be shy………

  3. #3 |  z | 

    Maybe if Hillary becomes president, orders the CIA to secretly kidnap Sean Hannity and hold him forever without charge and completely shut off from the outside world so not even his family knows where he is, maybe then, the neocons might see it. Until then, incredibly, they seem to trust the government with this unlimited, unchecked, totalitarian power. They would never abuse it or make a mistake.

  4. #4 |  Les | 

    Please name any Gitmo detainee who has been falsely imprisoned by the government’s abuse of the Patriot Act? I only want one name…..just one…….

    Ah, guilty until proven innocent. How un-American of you. Why not RTFA? “…less than half the inmates were determined to have committed a hostile act against the United States or its allies. Only 8 percent are suspected to be Al Qaeda fighters.”

    Do the fucking math. All of the hundreds of released detainees were guilty? Really? All of them?

    You don’t deserve a name, but here’s one: Murat Kurnaz. There was no evidence against him, so he was released, but the government still has him labeled as an “enemy combatant.”

    Another name: Abdul Razzaq Hekmati died of cancer at Guantanamo where he was held for being a member of the Taliban, even though his struggle against the Taliban (who had imprisoned him) was well documented.

    The question is, why do you trust the government to be 100% efficient at arresting only guilty people when it’s not 100% efficient at doing anything?

  5. #5 |  Lee | 

    YOU ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY! RESPECT MY AUTHORITA!

    If jwh is being honest in his statements and not just trying to elicit a reaction, then I’d say he must enjoy being lied to, especially by his master The Government.

  6. #6 |  Laertes | 

    jwh is your garden-variety pants-wetting authoritarian type.

    Greg London at Making Light dissected this personality type some time ago and explained the function of the squishy bits inside:

    http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010143.html#259010

    “What happens then is that rather than attack the thing that makes them afraid (the terrrists), they prefer to focus their attention on anything that threatens their peace of mind, which is to say, they attack anyone who says they can’t trust the government. The gummamint gives them a sense of security because they believe power and authority is the answer. If you question power and authority, you question the very basis of their security, you threaten to force them to take back their exported fear, and so they attack you.”

  7. #7 |  Wavemancali | 

    @JWH

    Until they receive a fair trial here is your list of names.

    We weren’t even allowed to know their names until they had been imprisoned for 4 years.

    What is a reasonable amount of time to be able to defend yourself against such charges? I don’t think 4 years passes muster.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/gitmo_detainees_051506.pdf

  8. #8 |  chsw | 

    I think that we should immediately fly the Saudi citizens in Gitmo back to the Wahhabbi paradise, where the enlightened souls ruling that beneficent kingdom will have them shot on the tarmac.

    As has been pointed out many times, Gitmo would not have been necessary if US military adopted a “take-no-prisoners” rule of engagement.

    chsw

  9. #9 |  Laertes | 

    Yes, chsw, it’d be much tidier if every time some thug rolled up on our guys with some tied-up goatherder who’d offended his clan, our marines had simply murdered the prisoner on the spot.

    Gives you a hard-on, doesn’t it?

  10. #10 |  Les | 

    chsw,

    Mao and Stalin would agree wholeheartedly!

  11. #11 |  Lee | 

    The article mentions that the Austrialian was convicted.

    Is that true? Is so, is there a distinction (I really do not know and have always wondered).

    I thought he plead guilty in order to serve his sentence in Austrialia.

  12. #12 |  paulc | 

    lots of ostriches with head in sand.

    you need to review the Koran

  13. #13 |  Brad Warbiany | 

    “Maybe if Hillary becomes president, orders the CIA to secretly kidnap Sean Hannity and hold him forever without charge and completely shut off from the outside world so not even his family knows where he is, maybe then, the neocons might see it.”

    I’m not in favor of the tactics, but this would certainly make for high comedy!

  14. #14 |  Red Green | 

    The US has to do something with these” combatants “sooner not later. After 6 years in solitary ,they know nothing about anything current, if they ever did, actually. The world is watching and knows the US is wrong on Gitmo. Congress should try to rename the place CAMP BUSH.

  15. #15 |  ParatrooperJJ | 

    They could always declare them Title I POWs and then immediatly execute them as spies. Solves the whole problem.

  16. #16 |  Les | 

    #15, forgive me, but you are joking, aren’t you?

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