Wow … definitely blatant racism, but I’m sure they’ll spin it as “we’re just using slang terms as established by popular usage.” I don’t see anything wrong with me saying it to my buddy in private, there’s no intention of racism. But a tv news (propaganda) program? Not acceptable.
Meh, whatever. It is apparently Malkin anyway. I lean conservative and I can’t stand her crap.
I view it along the same lines as all the baloney about Obama calling a reporter “honey” or was it sweetheart? A bunch of sound and fury, signifying nothing. I’ve sadly heard that term refer to parents/kids who were born in wedlock (especially now if the parents are divorced). Baby momma drama being the funniest version of the term though.
Malkin is a real piece of work, but she’s certainly fits the Fox News fringe profile. And to think I used to think of conservatives as moderates.
Back when she first started appearing on TV, I emailed her about some opinion of hers, but also included an invitation to come out so I could shoot her. My premise was that she was better looking than Sean Hanity who is actually from Huntsville, AL, where I live. I was thinking it might be nice to have some low level (as she was then) celebrity on the site. She didn’t take me up on the offer, but she did visit my site within minutes of my sending the message.
The offer still stands, but my work has now progressed and she’d have to agree to be tied up and humiliated. Who knows. Maybe if I sent her the new theme idea she’d be more interested. Given Fox News obsession with sex, it might actually turn into a career building move. O’Reilly could interview her about it and show how fair and balance he is.
I know. I’m probably just making fun of her because I’m bitter about her blowing me off. You people see right through me…
This is a “news” program we’re talking about, so they are either knowingly saying these things with racist intent, or they are saying these things with 3rd grader playground intent. Either way it’s screwed up beyond belief.
You are correct. I believe the term “baby daddy” got started because there was no commonly-used term for the father of one’s child when said father was not a boyfriend, fiancee, husband or ex-husband. It’s a pretty clear line from “my child’s father” to “my baby’s daddy” to simply “baby daddy.” And obviously, if “boyfriend” or “husband” is an accurate title, “baby daddy” isn’t necessary.
It seems to me as though the mccain camp surrogates are hoping to elicit an overreaction from the obama campaign. Few things get the fnc crowd as stirred up as phony cries of racism. Of course, in this case, cries of racism would be perfectly warranted, but never-the-less…
I don’t think that referring to Michelle Obama as someone’s “Baby Momma” is necessarily racist. It doesn’t insinuate that anyone is inferior to anyone else based on race. It was just plain stupid and offensive and that alone should be enough to piss everyone off without having to be racist. Moderate conservatives really need to start stepping up an police their own because O’Rielly and Co. are giving all conservatives a bad name and it’s only helping to further the collectivist cause. This is the news damnit, not a private party where it’s ok to be drunk and sensational. Heaven forbid any of them ever act like a professional.
I’m sorry, but I don’t see a line between referring to someone as “my baby’s daddy” and baby momma except linguistically. One is a valueless, affectionate description that is borne out by the facts and the other is a specific label with a specific meaning which is basically the mother of a man’s baby with whom she has no other relationship. It means the kids are bastards, the parents aren’t married, engaged, or even dating and it implies that the father has, to a greater or lesser extent, abandoned the family. By calling Michelle Obama Barrack’s baby momma FNC was playing to all the stereotypes of black males as shiftless horndogs who go around impregnating women and abandoning their children so the mother can become a welfare queen to raise children who will grow up to do drugs, mug white people, and rape white girls.
I have an uncle named Thomas. I sometimes call him Uncle Thomas. That doesn’t me it would be OK for a TV show to call him AN Uncle Tom.
Of course it would also be accurate to call him white. But it would inappropriate for a politician or major television news network to refer to him as “whitey.”
There may be linguistic and semantic lines between “daddy’s baby,” “Uncle Thomas,” and being “white” and “baby momma,” “Uncle Tom,” and “whitey,” but there are sharp lines BETWEEN them as well, and that line consists of history, culture, context, and intent.
Ask yourself this, would or has FNC EVER refer(ed) to Laura Bush, Nancy Reagen, Tipper Gore, Elizabeth Dole, or even HIllary Clinton as their husband’s “baby momma?” Of course they haven’t and wouldn’t, and it isn’t because they use a “terrorist fist-jab.”
The term “rich old white men” doesn’t have a negative connotation. It’s descriptive, like saying Obama is a “rich middle-aged black man.” “Baby momma” became used in white popular culture after being lifted from the hip-hop lexicon – it is a pejorative term meaning unmarried woman with kids out of wedlock. Old rich white Fox viewers can pretend they don’t understand that, or just use the Tina Fey movie as an example of acceptable usage.
“Also, as Michelle points out, it was Michelle Obama herself that referred to her husband as baby daddy.”
No: as her “baby’s daddy.” Bit of a difference. The only source for the “baby daddy” claim comes from some random guy on a McCain messageboard.
And as I argued in my response to Michelle, the idea that someone making a self-effacing comment or remark about themselves would then justify journalists using it to introduce or describe them is ridiculous. If Michelle ever jokingly referred to herself by some racial epithet, would she then be equally dismissive if MSNBC used that as an excuse for running it as her primary identifier during an interview instead of her name?
If anyone can find an actual transcript of clip of Michelle Obama referring to Barack Obama as “baby daddy” and not “my baby’s daddy” I would be open to the “they used it first” argument. So far I have seen nothing on this. Nothing.
She probably said it on that Chinese oil rig off the coast of Cuba.
Also as an aside. Why is the Michelle Obama quote always transcribed as “my baby’s daddy?” Don’t they have two children? Shouldn’t that be “my babies’ daddy?” Have I miscounted their kids? And the youngest is about 7, so not a baby, really. So the term of affection should be plural, no?
It makes absolutely no difference in this debate. I’m just asking.
I hadn’t really been paying attention to the thumbs system. Does it have any affect on anything? The ratings things get seem totally random, without any connection to any measure of quality or interest or whatever. I think rating systems generally need meta-rating systems, like on slashdot, to really succeed in a useful fashion (not that Slashdot really works all that great either: nearly every top comment to every story is some stupid Star trek or Simpsons reference)
A lot of hate speech directed at MM in the posts here. Sorry, I’ve yet to see an example where MM stoops to that level. She may or may not make good arguments about anything but I read her posts because I learn something. And I don’t find the vile crap that too often punctuates the left’s arguments.
I happen not to like Michelle Malkin much, but I watched that video clip and she never once referred to anyone as anyone’s “baby momma/daddy”. She has nothing at all to do with this. I think it’s ridiculous that’s she’s being called to account for this when she likely had no idea it was even on the screen.
Determining whether or not this means Fox is racist is a hair-splitting contest. I know people (black and white) who use the term both pejoratively and affectionately to refer to their kids’ other parent, whether they are married etc. or not. Obviously, it’s a term that can be taken as racist, but arguing that it definitely is or isn’t overstates the case.
Either way, the blame for this goes to whoever at FNC writes those stupid on-screen summaries. Not because of racism, but because the attempt to be cool by using popular slang (whether hip hop or other) is inappropriate for a supposed hard news venue.
rudito libertad |
June 16th, 2008 at 3:24 am
For The Brown Shirt Libertarians
For the haters who see my brown skinned mongrel children as their enemies, I say take me first. I will jump on your spear to give them one more day to play without your sideways and thinly veiled racism. Poke out my blue eyes first to slow you down so my brown eyed children can see another day. Oh, I know the world will love my blue eyed child. She was born with the same shade of skin as you, but I will not teach her your hate and call that freedom or liberty. She will not learn your Aryan mythology dressed up pretty in Libertarian jingoisms.
I would cut out my own English speaking tongue first so my children who speak two languages can speak with liberty. I may have blue eyes and I may look like you, but deep down in my genes, I am Cherokee and Sioux. I may look like you…but I am not like you… I am an American… You may attempt to chase my brown skinned children back to Mexico where you think they belong… just as the Germans did with the Jews.. but I will not let you take them while I live… Grind me under your wheels of self righteousness and hate but my children and their children are just as American as you.
I will not fire a gun and I do not own one but I will break your racist Libertarian march on my children by clogging up the veins of your radiator as you drive over my body. You pray for the day you drive over my children or the day you can lock them up in camps but one by one…and two by two… with your children they will see my mongrel children as lovely and filled with joy and ignore you and your false brand of White only liberty…and three by four… and five by six… they…all of my mongrel children and with your children… our children’s children will one day also throw themselves against your racist machine for their children.
One day soon… Martin Luther King’s dream will come true… and your children will see your mechanizations of racism overheat from our bodies clogging your drive for racial purity in a nation built on racism and call you a fool. They will throw off the yoke of your low minded hatred for their children too.
My grandfather’s mother died because the Whites would not treat her, an Indian, in the White hospital. The Indian Shaman would not treat her either as her child was to be half White. Soon after, heart broken, my grandfather’s father died and left my grandfather an orphan. I was brought up an orphan as well…adopted into a strange world where White men ruled in the shadows and enforced their will with a gun. I may even look like you racists holding the Constitution in my face while you say it gives you the right to drive my children into camps… but I read the same document as you and take from it the higher spirit and meaning of its words to include more than just you…the White men that look and worship just like you.
You want a White America again but it is too late my friend… You call anyone not like you Communists and Fascists but it is you who want your racially pure America and you just ignore what that means… Don’t you? You do know what that means don’t you? How will you exterminate us all? We are just as… no… We are more American than you.