Comments on: Gonzalo Guizan: Another Death by Drug War http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:10:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Keith http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-133938 Keith Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:00:11 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-133938 I have known Gonze for many years and know him to be extremely unpredictable. The actions of these officers is not known and I think it is sad that all these idiots immediately blame cops. You all hate them until some p.o.s. kicks in your door and tries to rob you. How about all you tough guys out their go chase scumbags down dark alleys. I have known Gonze for many years and know him to be extremely unpredictable. The actions of these officers is not known and I think it is sad that all these idiots immediately blame cops. You all hate them until some p.o.s. kicks in your door and tries to rob you. How about all you tough guys out their go chase scumbags down dark alleys.

]]> By: TG http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-133896 TG Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:31:35 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-133896 Gonzalo was a good friend of mine who definitely wasn't the type to go charging at police. He was tiny. Easton doesn't have a SWAT team. What the they do is collect one of two officers from a bunch of towns in the county and they all train together forming a county-wide SWAT. In an ultimate irony, because of the team coming from surround towns, two of the officers taking part new Gonzalo through mutual friends. Gonzalo was a good friend of mine who definitely wasn’t the type to go charging at police. He was tiny. Easton doesn’t have a SWAT team. What the they do is collect one of two officers from a bunch of towns in the county and they all train together forming a county-wide SWAT. In an ultimate irony, because of the team coming from surround towns, two of the officers taking part new Gonzalo through mutual friends.

]]> By: Blagnet.net » Blog Archive » Gonzalo Guizan: another death by drug war http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-133256 Blagnet.net » Blog Archive » Gonzalo Guizan: another death by drug war Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:06:25 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-133256 [...] Radley Balko writes of another victim of the paramilitary-style drug raids that Republocrats and their myrmidon voters continue to support in the name of protecting our liberties or our morals or some such. On May 18, police in Easton, Connecticut conducted a heavily-armed drug raid on the home of Ronald Terebesi, Jr. They began the raid by throwing flashbang grenades through Terebesi’s windows, then battering down his door and storming the house. Friends say at the time of the raid, 33-year-old Gonzalo Guizan was visiting Terebesi to discuss the possibility of opening an employment business. According to police, the unarmed Guizan charged the raiding officers, at which point they shot and killed him. [...] [...] Radley Balko writes of another victim of the paramilitary-style drug raids that Republocrats and their myrmidon voters continue to support in the name of protecting our liberties or our morals or some such. On May 18, police in Easton, Connecticut conducted a heavily-armed drug raid on the home of Ronald Terebesi, Jr. They began the raid by throwing flashbang grenades through Terebesi’s windows, then battering down his door and storming the house. Friends say at the time of the raid, 33-year-old Gonzalo Guizan was visiting Terebesi to discuss the possibility of opening an employment business. According to police, the unarmed Guizan charged the raiding officers, at which point they shot and killed him. [...]

]]> By: Blagnet.net » Blog Archive » Gonzalo Guizan: another death by drug war http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-133255 Blagnet.net » Blog Archive » Gonzalo Guizan: another death by drug war Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:06:25 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-133255 [...] Radley Balko writes of another victim of the paramilitary-style drug raids that Republocrats and their myrmidon voters continue to support in the name of protecting our liberties or our morals or some such. On May 18, police in Easton, Connecticut conducted a heavily-armed drug raid on the home of Ronald Terebesi, Jr. They began the raid by throwing flashbang grenades through Terebesi’s windows, then battering down his door and storming the house. Friends say at the time of the raid, 33-year-old Gonzalo Guizan was visiting Terebesi to discuss the possibility of opening an employment business. According to police, the unarmed Guizan charged the raiding officers, at which point they shot and killed him. [...] [...] Radley Balko writes of another victim of the paramilitary-style drug raids that Republocrats and their myrmidon voters continue to support in the name of protecting our liberties or our morals or some such. On May 18, police in Easton, Connecticut conducted a heavily-armed drug raid on the home of Ronald Terebesi, Jr. They began the raid by throwing flashbang grenades through Terebesi’s windows, then battering down his door and storming the house. Friends say at the time of the raid, 33-year-old Gonzalo Guizan was visiting Terebesi to discuss the possibility of opening an employment business. According to police, the unarmed Guizan charged the raiding officers, at which point they shot and killed him. [...]

]]> By: mike http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-132570 mike Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:40:56 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-132570 Paramilitary raid for drug use?? Fricking animals. How often does that happen? Even if it takes decades, hopefully these cops will eventually be held accountable for this senseless slaughter. Paramilitary raid for drug use?? Fricking animals. How often does that happen? Even if it takes decades, hopefully these cops will eventually be held accountable for this senseless slaughter.

]]> By: Cat http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-130920 Cat Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:43:28 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-130920 '...Escape reflex is a simple reflector reaction that initiates an escape motion in response to stimuli indicative of danger. ...the brain is only aware of the response AFTER it has taken place.' Yet occupants/suspects "should hear, recognize, process", and respond appropriately when surprised by a no-knock raid. Nothing contradictory about that is there? ‘…Escape reflex is a simple reflector reaction that initiates an escape motion in response to stimuli indicative of danger.

…the brain is only aware of the response AFTER it has taken place.’

Yet occupants/suspects “should hear, recognize, process”, and respond appropriately when surprised by a no-knock raid.

Nothing contradictory about that is there?

]]> By: J. D. Johnson http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-130661 J. D. Johnson Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:22:12 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-130661 Thanks Red for the tip...going to check it out. Thanks Red for the tip…going to check it out.

]]> By: Red Green http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-130603 Red Green Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:26:38 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-130603 JD...try" vigil for lost promise.org". Over at drugwarrant .com, Peter Guither ,has assembled a tribute,testimony. The war on some drugs and all citizens is a fraud, and the stupid don't know it. TheWhiteHouseOfficeofDrugControlPolicy is responsible for more death and violence then all the cartels put together. JD…try” vigil for lost promise.org”. Over at drugwarrant .com, Peter Guither ,has assembled a tribute,testimony. The war on some drugs and all citizens is a fraud, and the stupid don’t know it. TheWhiteHouseOfficeofDrugControlPolicy is responsible for more death and violence then all the cartels put together.

]]> By: J. D. Johnson http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-130267 J. D. Johnson Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:00:57 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-130267 I have beening reading your site for a long time. I think its time to start a web site entitled "In honor of the innocent" for those citizens who have died unjustly at the hands of those who allegedly swore to protect them. Perhaps we should call it the "Donald Scott" list. Then, when completed to date, we should send it to every elected official and to every police chief and sheriff in this land. I envision a NY Times full-page ad. This must stop!!!! I have beening reading your site for a long time. I think its time to start a web site entitled “In honor of the innocent” for those citizens who have died unjustly at the hands of those who allegedly swore to protect them. Perhaps we should call it the “Donald Scott” list.

Then, when completed to date, we should send it to every elected official and to every police chief and sheriff in this land. I envision a NY Times full-page ad.

This must stop!!!!

]]> By: concernedcitizen http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129998 concernedcitizen Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:44:47 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129998 I love the double standard. Us: We're police officers, highly trained and making a dynamic entry into possibly dangerous quarters that we have conducted extensive surviellence on, and in this highly dynamic situation that we have planned and orchestrated we sometimes have to make quick decisions that are sometimes not the right decisions. As a result, sometimes people die. You: You're little people. Despite the fact that we will deliberately try to disorient you and confuse you and keep you guessing as to what exactly is happening so that we will have the element of surprise, you will be expected to behave perfectly logically and understand exactly what is going on. If you don't, we might have to kill you. If you get really confused and kill an officer in the confusion, we will make sure you regret it. There is no excuse for you to kill a police officer. I love the double standard.

Us: We’re police officers, highly trained and making a dynamic entry into possibly dangerous quarters that we have conducted extensive surviellence on, and in this highly dynamic situation that we have planned and orchestrated we sometimes have to make quick decisions that are sometimes not the right decisions. As a result, sometimes people die.

You: You’re little people. Despite the fact that we will deliberately try to disorient you and confuse you and keep you guessing as to what exactly is happening so that we will have the element of surprise, you will be expected to behave perfectly logically and understand exactly what is going on. If you don’t, we might have to kill you. If you get really confused and kill an officer in the confusion, we will make sure you regret it. There is no excuse for you to kill a police officer.

]]> By: Frank N Stein http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129907 Frank N Stein Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:29:34 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129907 There needs to be a grassroots effort to help get all non-criminals who live in targeted neighborhoods a concealed carry permit and perhaps some charity to help offset the cost of their first firearm. The goons who perpetuate military-style tactics on non-violent offenses (sorry, the unsubstantiated tip of possible non-violent criminal activity of some vague kind and degree) will only understand equal violence brought to bear on them. Were any of these jackasses wearing Death Dealer shirts? There needs to be a grassroots effort to help get all non-criminals who live in targeted neighborhoods a concealed carry permit and perhaps some charity to help offset the cost of their first firearm. The goons who perpetuate military-style tactics on non-violent offenses (sorry, the unsubstantiated tip of possible non-violent criminal activity of some vague kind and degree) will only understand equal violence brought to bear on them.

Were any of these jackasses wearing Death Dealer shirts?

]]> By: Mrs. C http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129847 Mrs. C Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:44:48 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129847 I offer my most sincere condolences...to the parents of Gonzalo Guizan. To lose a child...is the most painful and devastating loss...one can suffer...having this happen twice to a family... is beyond words. My prayers go out to them. These incidents need to be addressed...they cry out for preventative changes in policies...procedures... and training...full investigative transparency...and absolute accountability. When law enforcement is at fault...there cannot be double standards...if there is going to be any hope...in an effort to minimize the senseless...and unnecessary taking of lives...on both sides. We are all "His" children...and will someday have to answer to Him. What will be said to those of them...who fabricate reasons...for initiating and trying to justify...the inexcusable abuse of power...they employ...in unwarranted situations...that result in the taking of someone's life? www.justiceforsal.com God Bless you Radley... I offer my most sincere condolences…to the parents of Gonzalo Guizan.

To lose a child…is the most painful and devastating loss…one can suffer…having this happen twice to a family… is beyond words.
My prayers go out to them.

These incidents need to be addressed…they cry out for preventative changes in policies…procedures… and training…full investigative transparency…and absolute accountability.

When law enforcement is at fault…there cannot be double standards…if there is going to be any hope…in an effort to minimize the senseless…and unnecessary taking of lives…on both sides.

We are all “His” children…and will someday have to answer to Him.

What will be said to those of them…who fabricate reasons…for initiating and trying to justify…the inexcusable abuse of power…they employ…in unwarranted situations…that result in the taking of someone’s life?

http://www.justiceforsal.com

God Bless you Radley…

]]> By: Against Stupidity http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129826 Against Stupidity Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:03:19 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129826 She obviously wasn't his friend. I wouldn't be surprised that she was pissed at him and thought this would only cause the police to go over and harass him. I'll bet she was horrified when she learned the police went in guns blazing and killed someone over such a pissant offense. She obviously wasn’t his friend. I wouldn’t be surprised that she was pissed at him and thought this would only cause the police to go over and harass him. I’ll bet she was horrified when she learned the police went in guns blazing and killed someone over such a pissant offense.

]]> By: Chris in AL http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129821 Chris in AL Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:01:33 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129821 Somehow I doubt this was the strippers first time witnessing someone using drugs. The cops probably had something on her and she was trying to (or being forced to) 'roll over' on someone. Maybe she was caught offereing up some special treatment in the VIP room. Maybe she was caught with some drugs herself. WHo knows. The long and the short of it is, we as tax payers are ass-raped to provide enough funds to supply these paramilitary scumbags with this equipment and firepower, and as usual, they produce one dead innocent man and a some guy's personal stash. Not a very good return on investment there. If anybody in the private sector produced so few results, for so much money for so many decades... What am I saying, only in government can incompetence like that go on for so long. The drug war is the cops version of World of Warcraft and the endless supply low level 'ememies' to level up on. Cops can come in as rookies, level up through promotions, and achieve their success, even though the 'problem' is exactly the same (or worse) as when they started, ready to help the next rookie level up. It is really a scam. A self generating, self-sustaining creation of need where none ever existed. And it sucks our money up like...a great, big...sucking thing. Somehow I doubt this was the strippers first time witnessing someone using drugs. The cops probably had something on her and she was trying to (or being forced to) ‘roll over’ on someone.

Maybe she was caught offereing up some special treatment in the VIP room. Maybe she was caught with some drugs herself. WHo knows.

The long and the short of it is, we as tax payers are ass-raped to provide enough funds to supply these paramilitary scumbags with this equipment and firepower, and as usual, they produce one dead innocent man and a some guy’s personal stash. Not a very good return on investment there.

If anybody in the private sector produced so few results, for so much money for so many decades…

What am I saying, only in government can incompetence like that go on for so long.

The drug war is the cops version of World of Warcraft and the endless supply low level ‘ememies’ to level up on. Cops can come in as rookies, level up through promotions, and achieve their success, even though the ‘problem’ is exactly the same (or worse) as when they started, ready to help the next rookie level up. It is really a scam. A self generating, self-sustaining creation of need where none ever existed. And it sucks our money up like…a great, big…sucking thing.

]]> By: Zeb http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129809 Zeb Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:40:40 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129809 Almost as scary as the police response is the fact that this woman felt that calling the police is an appropriate response to observing someone use drugs in their own home. I bet she has reconsidered her feelings on that subject since she seems to have got her friend shot because of it. Almost as scary as the police response is the fact that this woman felt that calling the police is an appropriate response to observing someone use drugs in their own home.
I bet she has reconsidered her feelings on that subject since she seems to have got her friend shot because of it.

]]> By: SJE http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129807 SJE Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:37:54 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129807 I heard that Dr. Steven Hayne will testify that the deceased was brandishing a rocket propelled grenade and yelling "death to America" I heard that Dr. Steven Hayne will testify that the deceased was brandishing a rocket propelled grenade and yelling “death to America”

]]> By: Mike Leatherwood http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129782 Mike Leatherwood Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:46:21 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129782 To elaborate on a point Radley made, flash bang grenades do disorient and confuse. How can ANYONE expect a confused, disoriented person to hear and obey a command or hear "Police" at any volume?? HE WAS DISORIENTED AND CONFUSED, dammit!! Trained <i>soldiers</i> have a hard time staying focused when explosions are going off around them. So why do we expect civilians (possibly drugged civilians) to be able to comprehend what is going on in the split seconds of the raid? Its classic, A-1 grade BS. It really is us against them. The thin blue line has become one wide red freeway: Danger! To elaborate on a point Radley made, flash bang grenades do disorient and confuse. How can ANYONE expect a confused, disoriented person to hear and obey a command or hear “Police” at any volume?? HE WAS DISORIENTED AND CONFUSED, dammit!!

Trained soldiers have a hard time staying focused when explosions are going off around them. So why do we expect civilians (possibly drugged civilians) to be able to comprehend what is going on in the split seconds of the raid? Its classic, A-1 grade BS.

It really is us against them. The thin blue line has become one wide red freeway: Danger!

]]> By: Andrew http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129766 Andrew Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:11:23 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129766 I was going to reply, but I can't say it better than seeker6079, so I'll just say I agree with 100% of what he said there. I was going to reply, but I can’t say it better than seeker6079, so I’ll just say I agree with 100% of what he said there.

]]> By: seeker6079 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129696 seeker6079 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:43:10 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129696 1. What Z said. 2. We're not obliged to believe the police story that he was running towards them. 3. Even if we believe that story, the How remains important. I might run from one gun-toting screaming masked man smack into the gunsight of another. 4. There's eight thousand people in Easton, Connecticut. Why on earth do they have a SWAT team? There's bigger crowds than that at some c-grade rock concerts and those are handled with a few paid duty officers, even though there's probably way more drugs there! 5. The fact that no interesting stuff happens in many small towns is probably a good reason why their cops go crazy on pissant little offences like this. It's an excellent argument against letting small town police forces have SWAT teams; if there's no serious crime then the machine guns get gleefully hauled out for picayune stuff. 6. I am so tired, oh so tired, of police asking for special rules for themselves. 1. What Z said.

2. We’re not obliged to believe the police story that he was running towards them.

3. Even if we believe that story, the How remains important. I might run from one gun-toting screaming masked man smack into the gunsight of another.

4. There’s eight thousand people in Easton, Connecticut. Why on earth do they have a SWAT team? There’s bigger crowds than that at some c-grade rock concerts and those are handled with a few paid duty officers, even though there’s probably way more drugs there!

5. The fact that no interesting stuff happens in many small towns is probably a good reason why their cops go crazy on pissant little offences like this. It’s an excellent argument against letting small town police forces have SWAT teams; if there’s no serious crime then the machine guns get gleefully hauled out for picayune stuff.

6. I am so tired, oh so tired, of police asking for special rules for themselves.

]]> By: z http://www.theagitator.com/2008/06/09/gonzalo-guizan-another-death-by-drug-war/#comment-129686 z Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:38:09 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/?p=10118#comment-129686 There is an explanation for why the police say they announce and yet no-one hears them: When 1 person is shouting something very loudly, people hear him. But when 5 or 10 people all start shouting randomly at the same time, it just sounds like noise. There is an explanation for why the police say they announce and yet no-one hears them: When 1 person is shouting something very loudly, people hear him. But when 5 or 10 people all start shouting randomly at the same time, it just sounds like noise.

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