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	<title>Comments on: That&#8217;ll Learn Him to Be Measuring Drapes; Or, Another Isolated Incident</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: The Other Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Other Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not voting and doing nothing aren&#039;t necessarily the same thing. There are other ways--often more effective--to make your voice heard (and I&#039;m not thinking of anything illegal).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not voting and doing nothing aren&#8217;t necessarily the same thing. There are other ways&#8211;often more effective&#8211;to make your voice heard (and I&#8217;m not thinking of anything illegal).</p>
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		<title>By: Against Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Against Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does not voting also make you culpable in allowing it to happen.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does not voting also make you culpable in allowing it to happen.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Essentially you and me and all of the Public started this war on drugs.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Bullshit.  I had &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; to do with it..

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Politicians who passed these asinine laws that the Police and Prosecutors enforce were elected by the people.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I repeat: &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt;.  I &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; vote, precisely in order that I can  stand clean and clear of this sort of thing.  Get this good and straight: do you see that &quot;the people&quot; thing?  Well, words mean things and I&#039;m one of &#039;em, and I do not submit individuals&#039; rights to the stoopid-lottery of electoral politics.

Everyone else can have all the responsibility for this that they want, but they should bloody keep it to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Essentially you and me and all of the Public started this war on drugs.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Bullshit.  I had <i>nothing</i> to do with it..</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The Politicians who passed these asinine laws that the Police and Prosecutors enforce were elected by the people.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I repeat: <i>nothing</i>.  I <i>never</i> vote, precisely in order that I can  stand clean and clear of this sort of thing.  Get this good and straight: do you see that &#8220;the people&#8221; thing?  Well, words mean things and I&#8217;m one of &#8216;em, and I do not submit individuals&#8217; rights to the stoopid-lottery of electoral politics.</p>
<p>Everyone else can have all the responsibility for this that they want, but they should bloody keep it to themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: The Johnny Appleseed Of Crack</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Johnny Appleseed Of Crack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; And as usual it’s not the perpetrators who are forced to pay, as noted here: http://www.nostate.com/118/toms-river-nj-area-taxpayers-billed-350000-for-botched-drug-raid/ &lt;/i&gt;

I believe that the $350K will come out of the local government&#039;s budget.  Yes, their budget probably is supplied by taxes, but they don&#039;t get to arbitrarily increase the taxes whenever they need to pay out a settlement.  So the settlement money means the government gets less money.  Which is probably the most effective way to incentivize the local government to pressure it&#039;s police force to stop their violent behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> And as usual it’s not the perpetrators who are forced to pay, as noted here: <a href="http://www.nostate.com/118/toms-river-nj-area-taxpayers-billed-350000-for-botched-drug-raid/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nostate.com/118/toms-river-nj-area-taxpayers-billed-350000-for-botched-drug-raid/</a> </i></p>
<p>I believe that the $350K will come out of the local government&#8217;s budget.  Yes, their budget probably is supplied by taxes, but they don&#8217;t get to arbitrarily increase the taxes whenever they need to pay out a settlement.  So the settlement money means the government gets less money.  Which is probably the most effective way to incentivize the local government to pressure it&#8217;s police force to stop their violent behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would submit to you that this QUITE POSSIBLY linked to a possible/probable conspiracy linked with this story published at the AGITATOR a while back ago:

http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/25/the-running-dogs-of-interior-design/

Maybe we should see if the cops are on the take from IDPC…..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would submit to you that this QUITE POSSIBLY linked to a possible/probable conspiracy linked with this story published at the AGITATOR a while back ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/25/the-running-dogs-of-interior-design/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/25/the-running-dogs-of-interior-design/</a></p>
<p>Maybe we should see if the cops are on the take from IDPC…..</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in AL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zero

You are correct in that it was politicians that passed the rediculous drug laws.  But it was police that created the violence, celebrate the violence and revel in the violence.  If you read some of their message boards or hear them talk, it is clear.  They can&#039;t wait for their chance to hurt people.  

And when anybody fights back they harass and intimidate like cowards.  Whiny little bastards that abuse their power and fight for the right to continue abusing their power.  They crushed this guy&#039;s ribs, and there is not a decent human being among them that even feels bad about it, much less feels they should admit responsibility or do something to avoid hurting an innocent person in the future.  They don&#039;t care if they do.  They will just cover it up.  Only people that enjoy inflicting pain protect their ability to do so to this degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zero</p>
<p>You are correct in that it was politicians that passed the rediculous drug laws.  But it was police that created the violence, celebrate the violence and revel in the violence.  If you read some of their message boards or hear them talk, it is clear.  They can&#8217;t wait for their chance to hurt people.  </p>
<p>And when anybody fights back they harass and intimidate like cowards.  Whiny little bastards that abuse their power and fight for the right to continue abusing their power.  They crushed this guy&#8217;s ribs, and there is not a decent human being among them that even feels bad about it, much less feels they should admit responsibility or do something to avoid hurting an innocent person in the future.  They don&#8217;t care if they do.  They will just cover it up.  Only people that enjoy inflicting pain protect their ability to do so to this degree.</p>
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		<title>By: zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris in AL:
While I agree with your sentiment about the Police using too much force I think you are wrong about the Police starting the war.  Essentially you and me and all of the Public started this war on drugs.  The Politicians who passed these asinine laws that the Police and Prosecutors enforce were elected by the people.  The only way we will stop this violence is if we elect Politicians who will repeal these laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris in AL:<br />
While I agree with your sentiment about the Police using too much force I think you are wrong about the Police starting the war.  Essentially you and me and all of the Public started this war on drugs.  The Politicians who passed these asinine laws that the Police and Prosecutors enforce were elected by the people.  The only way we will stop this violence is if we elect Politicians who will repeal these laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it was taking that long, I would have fought for either a trial or the badges of those involved as part of the settlement.

When are we going to start holding bad cops personally responsible for their actions?  This is one of the reasons why I believe police unions should be disbanded -- not only do they protect dirty cops, they intimidate witnesses. (Derrick Foster among others)

On one of the newspaper web pages a question was asked:  Why isn&#039;t Ryan Frederick&#039;s family screaming bloody murder and demanding an independent investigation?  My suspicion is that union members have already told them to shut up, otherwise Ryan will not survive to see a trial.  Such things do happen in government custody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it was taking that long, I would have fought for either a trial or the badges of those involved as part of the settlement.</p>
<p>When are we going to start holding bad cops personally responsible for their actions?  This is one of the reasons why I believe police unions should be disbanded &#8212; not only do they protect dirty cops, they intimidate witnesses. (Derrick Foster among others)</p>
<p>On one of the newspaper web pages a question was asked:  Why isn&#8217;t Ryan Frederick&#8217;s family screaming bloody murder and demanding an independent investigation?  My suspicion is that union members have already told them to shut up, otherwise Ryan will not survive to see a trial.  Such things do happen in government custody.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in AL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since it was the wrong place and the &#039;dangerous perp&#039; was just measuring for curtains, certainly they don&#039;t count that as &quot;putting their lives on the line for us&quot;.

So I guess it isn&#039;t &#039;everyday&#039;, right, coppers?  Actually, it is very rare.  If you take out the times you &#039;put your lives on the line&#039; as part of the drug war, (Since that is a war you started and escalated to one of violence) you would actually be much more safe. And so would the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it was the wrong place and the &#8216;dangerous perp&#8217; was just measuring for curtains, certainly they don&#8217;t count that as &#8220;putting their lives on the line for us&#8221;.</p>
<p>So I guess it isn&#8217;t &#8216;everyday&#8217;, right, coppers?  Actually, it is very rare.  If you take out the times you &#8216;put your lives on the line&#8217; as part of the drug war, (Since that is a war you started and escalated to one of violence) you would actually be much more safe. And so would the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Monnier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Monnier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Caldwell wasn&#039;t licensed by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/25/asid-responds/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ASID&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Caldwell wasn&#8217;t licensed by <a href="http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/25/asid-responds/" rel="nofollow">ASID</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Even they’d had the right guy, was the beating and stomping really necessary?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Of course, it was.  From the cops&#039; perspective it would be pointless to conduct a raid if you eliminated the fun part.   Also, I think they probably kick the shit out of anyone who rudely makes them look stupid by not having any drugs after the cops took time out of their very busy day to conduct the raid.   

But, we must also see the good side to this.  It&#039;s nice that it only took the city four years to step up to the plate and settle with the guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Even they’d had the right guy, was the beating and stomping really necessary?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Of course, it was.  From the cops&#8217; perspective it would be pointless to conduct a raid if you eliminated the fun part.   Also, I think they probably kick the shit out of anyone who rudely makes them look stupid by not having any drugs after the cops took time out of their very busy day to conduct the raid.   </p>
<p>But, we must also see the good side to this.  It&#8217;s nice that it only took the city four years to step up to the plate and settle with the guy.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a rerun of Reno 911 last night, a couple of the officers were at a high school recruiting event in a booth next to the Army.  One of the pitches that the sherriff&#039;s deputies used to recruit against the army was:  &quot;come to work for us and you will get to shoot Americans&quot;  Too close to the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a rerun of Reno 911 last night, a couple of the officers were at a high school recruiting event in a booth next to the Army.  One of the pitches that the sherriff&#8217;s deputies used to recruit against the army was:  &#8220;come to work for us and you will get to shoot Americans&#8221;  Too close to the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as usual it&#039;s not the perpetrators who are forced to pay, as noted here: http://www.nostate.com/118/toms-river-nj-area-taxpayers-billed-350000-for-botched-drug-raid/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as usual it&#8217;s not the perpetrators who are forced to pay, as noted here: <a href="http://www.nostate.com/118/toms-river-nj-area-taxpayers-billed-350000-for-botched-drug-raid/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nostate.com/118/toms-river-nj-area-taxpayers-billed-350000-for-botched-drug-raid/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, &quot;the story&quot; is a little more complicated after Ryan Frederick.  It goes like this:

&quot;We announced and he should have known it was police, and when we realized he knew we were here, we yelled &#039;eight ball&#039; meaning the guy inside knew we were here and the raid was &#039;compromised&#039;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, &#8220;the story&#8221; is a little more complicated after Ryan Frederick.  It goes like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;We announced and he should have known it was police, and when we realized he knew we were here, we yelled &#8216;eight ball&#8217; meaning the guy inside knew we were here and the raid was &#8216;compromised&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
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