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I Suspect Many Will
Tuesday, June 3rd, 2008A reader sends this March blog post from newly minted McCain campaign communications staffer Michael Goldfarb telling Ron Paul supporters to go ahead and vote for Barack Obama, because McCain doesn’t want them.
Note too that he refers to “Ron Paul supporters everywhere,” which heads off the counter that he was only referring to 9/11 Truthers and such.
That does it! That’s the final straw. Now I’m REALLY not going to vote for McCain.
Muahahahahahahahahahaha!
Why Paul stays in the Republican Party I’ll never know. It’s clear that leadership and a large part of the base want him to leave. The GOP is beyond saving. Join the LP and endorese Barr already.
If I’m not mistaken, you dropped your support in mid january. I did a quick search and found this post dated 11 Jan 08.
http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/11/ron-paul-on-cnn/
By March everyone with any sense had already jumped off the Paul bandwagon, at that point who would have wanted the support of the remaining racist fans paul had left? Shit, Barr got the nomination last week and has already done what Paul refused to do for years, telling Stormfront to get fucked.
By March everyone with any sense had already jumped off the Paul bandwagon, at that point who would have wanted the support of the remaining racist fans paul had left?
This presumes everyone who still supports Ron Paul is a racist, which is as silly as saying anyone who doesn’t support Hillary is a sexist.
btw, doesn’t Ron Paul still have a LIFETIME membership in the LP?
As far as I know he never dropped it.
Watching Bush, McCain, Huckabee, DeLay (and many others) bring down the GOP over the last decade has been a pretty painful experience. Judging from this, they’re not going to be happy until they’ve completely destroyed it.
Ah well, screw ‘em…if the Republicans aren’t interested in moderate swing votes, somebody else will eventually pick them up. And then the hacks and frauds remaining in the GOP can enjoy getting marginalized as they find out there’s only so much b.s. most Americans will tolerate from statists, frauds, and warmongers.
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No, I’m saying anyone willing to overlook Pauls racist issues and ties to extreme racists should probably ask themselves what exactly someone has to believe before you WON’T support them.
I don’t care if Paul is right on 9 outta 10 issues but his racist writings and beliefs disqualify him for contention.
Voting for Obama to protest the pathetic GOP is like dating Ted Bundy to punish your boyfriend for hitting you.
Just stay home and don’t give any of the $&#^@&$#!ers permission to keep violating anyone’s rights.
Yes, disqualify him, even though objectively speaking a Ron Paul presidency would be quite positive for blacks as it would dramatically ease up the War on Drugs through executive branch policies, among other things.
Many of the people that surround Barack Obama are black racists. Damn near makes Obama guilty by association, doncha think? Yet I’d be far more concerned about his actual policies than his personal views on my white skin color because his policies are what come down to my level as an individual.
//Yet I’d be far more concerned about his actual policies than his personal views on my white skin color because his policies are what come down to my level as an individual.//
Policies may be more important than views, but what a person would actually do is more important than what they say they’ll do. If a person states he’ll support a policy, not mentioning that said policy would go against his real views, odds are pretty good his support for that policy will vanish if he’s elected.
I honestly don’t know who to vote for, except I know I loathe hillary (irrational though it may be). Between McCain and Obama, it will be a difficult choice.
Ron Paul has written a lot over the years, and the newsletter stuff does not resemble it (though a lot of stuff emanating from Auburn does). The worst of it seems to have come out when he was retired from politics (between his presidential run and return from Congress) and rather out of the loop. So really Paul is being charged with guilt by association. I don’t judge Paul, Obama or McCain by that standard.
It’s funny though that right now people at VDARE are accusing the Rothbardians of selling out to political correctness on race.
I can understand why someone wouldn’t vote for Obama, but I cannot, for the life of me, understand how someone could vote for McCain.
riiiiight. ron paul supporters, jeered at and disgusted by mccain, will vote for obama.
because they’re sickened by the republican “statists, frauds, and warmongers”, they’re – libertarians all – going to vote for a far left, noodle spined (“iran is no danger to us!” – monday, “i’ve always said iran is a danger to us!” – tuesday); big gummint expanding, serial lying (“my uncle helped jews escape from auschwitz!”); gun banning, tax raising moron (“i’ve been to all 57 states!”) with a messiah complex. (“a sin is anything that is counter to my beliefs.”)
brilliant analysis there, balko. and why exactly would they do this? do you think libertarians are just stupid?
1) Ron Paul has spent many years actively opposing the things he said he would oppose, negating your point in that respect.
2) A person’s values and their politics don’t have to align to make sense. I’ve met a number of Christian fundamentalists who are so libertarian in how little government they want controlling society that they would make Cato look like a haven of Communists.
brilliant analysis there, balko. and why exactly would they do this? do you think libertarians are just stupid?
Apparently so! I know quite a few who plan to vote for Obama.
Fuck that noise. Why would I transfer my vote to a lesser candidate?
I voted for Ron Paul in the Republican primary in New Mexico just yesterday.
Yet again, we’re given the “choice” between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. I think that at this point, it might just be smarter to not vote at all.
I don’t care who you vote for, but you must VOTE: The depths of hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in a time of crisis. If you stand for nothing, you cannot be critical of your destiny. DO NOT TAKE YOUR TOYS AND RUN HOME CRYING.
AZ*Rich, I do not participate in elections on principle. I wouldn’t dictate to you, on a one-to-one basis, how to run your life. Why would I ask someone else to do so by proxy? If I want to persuade you to do something, I will do so by employing reason, not force. It is impossible to use government power without using force against innocent people. The bigger government gets, the more unreasonable it gets.
If not participating in the fiction of government authority meant I could keep my “toys” (i.e., rights), that would be wonderful. I have no illusions that it will.
What is most important to me, however, is that I refuse to mess with your toys. Do you see?
I only have one life and I will not waste it begging for mercy.
AZ*Rich,
A choice between a kick to the groin or a punch in the nose is no choice at all. People who correctly note that all the choices on the presidential ballot are evil and choose to not to lend the evil system legitimacy are, in fact, taking a stand.
Those who insist on voting for evil are the ones keeping this sham running. If you vote for evil, Rich, you’re part of the problem.
Does it really matter where RP’s votes go?
McCain will get trounced all by his lonesome self. He’s a delusional psycho. GOP = dead. The End
I’m sick of hearing people stupidly insist that one has a duty to vote or that by not voting, I’m automatically giving consent to anything. The very opposite is true. By refusing to vote, I withhold my consent for the Iraq War, drug prohibition, militarization of police forces, corrupt medical examiners, emminent domain, farm subsidies, the Social Security pyramid scheme, et cetera ad nauseum.
If I did vote, I would be giving the winner permission to use his authority to perpetuate such horrors if he so chose. I don’t agree to that!
McWarmonger’s got some fans here at the Agitator eh? Nice
Let me ask you libertarians this then: if the idea is to deadlock bad laws from being passed, how does a Democratic House, Senate and President float your boat? Unlike the Republicans (who really didn’t do that much with the majority – we never got some of Bush’s better ideas passed like Social Security Reform, etc), the Democrats won’t think twice about passing all the laws they can.
how’s the saying go? ‘if voting really mattered, they’d have made it illegal decades ago’?
something like that. that being true – and it is – i still can’t believe a genuine libertarian would vote for obama. aside from his position on the iraq war, not one single solitary idea he champions is libertarian. aside from the war, he opposes *every*thing that libertarians stand for and believe in. why would a real libertarian vote for someone like that?
e.brown, I think it all comes down to the Iraq War. I know for a fact that Ron Paul would be WAY more popular had it not been for that single issue. There’s plenty of people who vote Republican who agree with his stance on all things involving ‘smaller government’ (and agree that the ‘establishment’ GOP right now has gotten too far away from their small government roots) but the Iraq War was the one issue they would never agree with him on.
And frankly, most of the kooky supporters of Ron Paul that you meet on the street are usually just anti-war hippies who don’t really agree with Paul on any other issue than his anti-War stance. You start explaining stuff to them about axing the Dept of Education and other ‘small goverment’ stuff and they just ignore you or call you a ‘Right Wing liar’. That didn’t help his image much either.
Hopefully Barr makes a bigger ‘dent’, cause Paul never stood a chance.
Yet again, we’re given the “choice” between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. I think that at this point, it might just be smarter to not vote at all.
Scott,
As Puff Daddy says, “Vote or Die, Bitch”
Mr. Crack, I believe it was, “Vote or Die, Mother$&@#er!”
South Park, one of the two remaining corners of the Unholy Trinity, along with Mythbusters. Sadly, Penn Radio went the way of the Dodo.
My mistake. Penn & Teller: Bulls*thump*hit! is the third corner of the skeptical Trinity. It’s still around.