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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Csuhta</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-173160</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Csuhta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolute power corrupts absolutley. Senseless death, society has lost a productive person because of 19th century mentalily Join norml.org and see that this do not happen again.</description>
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		<title>By: senorsalvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>senorsalvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemom, you don't even warrant the dignity of a response...  I'm a Tallahasse resident and also one of those 'nefarious drug users..  I smoke herb.  So what??  I'm an adult in my fifties and if caught and covincted (which has happened once), I am prepared to pay the fine or due the time...  This case is all about the blatant disregard for even the most sensible cautions to be taken by TPD... People can and will blame Rachel for everything from being a druggie to not correctly following her 'handlers' instructions...  She was, by definition an instument of the Police.  Why did they so callously send her on such a dangerous job without her being given some rudimentary training??..  To blithely say she was a 'user' and therefore knew what she was doing, is absurd...  It does not take a top DEA operative to know that putting her out there to buy such quantity, AND A GUN, is stupidity on its face....  Question:  If Rachel was acting under authority of TPD then should not the city at least have the dignity to offer her parents a death benifit amount of money equal to what they would pay any officers family that might perish in the line of duty???  I mean, c'mon now;  if the drug buy was so serious, as to use a confidental operative, then the least they should do is treat her as 'on of their own'...  I hope the officers lose their jobs.  I hope the department is sued for malfeascence in office, and I hope her controlling officers do serious time for this travesty...  I also hope I get the hell out of Tallahassee soon.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemom, you don&#8217;t even warrant the dignity of a response&#8230;  I&#8217;m a Tallahasse resident and also one of those &#8216;nefarious drug users..  I smoke herb.  So what??  I&#8217;m an adult in my fifties and if caught and covincted (which has happened once), I am prepared to pay the fine or due the time&#8230;  This case is all about the blatant disregard for even the most sensible cautions to be taken by TPD&#8230; People can and will blame Rachel for everything from being a druggie to not correctly following her &#8216;handlers&#8217; instructions&#8230;  She was, by definition an instument of the Police.  Why did they so callously send her on such a dangerous job without her being given some rudimentary training??..  To blithely say she was a &#8216;user&#8217; and therefore knew what she was doing, is absurd&#8230;  It does not take a top DEA operative to know that putting her out there to buy such quantity, AND A GUN, is stupidity on its face&#8230;.  Question:  If Rachel was acting under authority of TPD then should not the city at least have the dignity to offer her parents a death benifit amount of money equal to what they would pay any officers family that might perish in the line of duty???  I mean, c&#8217;mon now;  if the drug buy was so serious, as to use a confidental operative, then the least they should do is treat her as &#8216;on of their own&#8217;&#8230;  I hope the officers lose their jobs.  I hope the department is sued for malfeascence in office, and I hope her controlling officers do serious time for this travesty&#8230;  I also hope I get the hell out of Tallahassee soon&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of Prohibition some supporters openly admitted its failure. A quote from a letter, written in 1932 by wealthy industrialist John D. Rockefeller, Jr., states:

    "When Prohibition was introduced, I hoped that it would be widely supported by public opinion and the day would soon come when the evil effects of alcohol would be recognized. I have slowly and reluctantly come to believe that this has not been the result. Instead, drinking has generally increased; the speakeasy has replaced the saloon; a vast army of lawbreakers has appeared; many of our best citizens have openly ignored Prohibition; respect for the law has been greatly lessened; and crime has increased to a level never seen before."</description>
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<p>    &#8220;When Prohibition was introduced, I hoped that it would be widely supported by public opinion and the day would soon come when the evil effects of alcohol would be recognized. I have slowly and reluctantly come to believe that this has not been the result. Instead, drinking has generally increased; the speakeasy has replaced the saloon; a vast army of lawbreakers has appeared; many of our best citizens have openly ignored Prohibition; respect for the law has been greatly lessened; and crime has increased to a level never seen before.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-159949</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminal, crime ?  Rachel Hoffman…….. off the streets ?

It's certainly debatable by an infinite number of rational intelligent people - as to whether marijuana should be legal or not in the first place. Regardless of whether it should be or not - such arguments at the very least bring light to the fact that .......... Marijuana or weed is certainly not a hard core drug. More destroyed lives and more violent crimes are related to crack, powder cocaine, or heroin intra-venous users and yes even alcohol................. then plain old mellow weed. 

Many people realize there are bad hard core harmful drugs out there - but weed ain't one of them. Weed has a make love not war effect. Medical marijuana relieves pain and suffering.  Even the late night comedy shows goof around with pot jokes - explain the worse crime of taking a few tokes is raiding the cookie jar afterward. The guests on the shows readily admit to use of cannabis and many of the audience likewise. It's a given that most of the musicians do inhale. It's abundant everywhere including college campuses and in social settings virtually anywhere there's a party. Good people, productive citizens literally millions of them - roll a joint, light up, toke, pass it around, relax and enjoy life. They hurt no one. Nowadays weed is socially more acceptable then ever before. Weed gives a relaxing aura of "Peace on earth." Rachel Hoffman was one of those peace loving people. 

Unfortunately, she broke the law - she got caught up in the nonchalant attitude of her peer group. It is after all still against the law. Without the law we're all in big trouble. Until we change a law that many say is wrong if not ridiculous - our police must enforce such law. Police got a rough job Hindsight is always easy after the fact but; it still seems bizarre that this even happened. It's just tragic more precautions were not taken beforehand. What crime did Rachel really commit to deserve this? Rachel Hoffman, caught twice with a "baggie" of marijuana. A drug that many feel should be legal; and certainly not punishable with even one day in prison...... let alone 4 years. Ironic, isn’t it ?  Now, Rachel is off the streets forever and that's a long time. 

The world lost a fine young lady that was temporarily misguided with her choices. Society needs to re-evaluate our laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal, crime ?  Rachel Hoffman…….. off the streets ?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly debatable by an infinite number of rational intelligent people - as to whether marijuana should be legal or not in the first place. Regardless of whether it should be or not - such arguments at the very least bring light to the fact that &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. Marijuana or weed is certainly not a hard core drug. More destroyed lives and more violent crimes are related to crack, powder cocaine, or heroin intra-venous users and yes even alcohol&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. then plain old mellow weed. </p>
<p>Many people realize there are bad hard core harmful drugs out there - but weed ain&#8217;t one of them. Weed has a make love not war effect. Medical marijuana relieves pain and suffering.  Even the late night comedy shows goof around with pot jokes - explain the worse crime of taking a few tokes is raiding the cookie jar afterward. The guests on the shows readily admit to use of cannabis and many of the audience likewise. It&#8217;s a given that most of the musicians do inhale. It&#8217;s abundant everywhere including college campuses and in social settings virtually anywhere there&#8217;s a party. Good people, productive citizens literally millions of them - roll a joint, light up, toke, pass it around, relax and enjoy life. They hurt no one. Nowadays weed is socially more acceptable then ever before. Weed gives a relaxing aura of &#8220;Peace on earth.&#8221; Rachel Hoffman was one of those peace loving people. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, she broke the law - she got caught up in the nonchalant attitude of her peer group. It is after all still against the law. Without the law we&#8217;re all in big trouble. Until we change a law that many say is wrong if not ridiculous - our police must enforce such law. Police got a rough job Hindsight is always easy after the fact but; it still seems bizarre that this even happened. It&#8217;s just tragic more precautions were not taken beforehand. What crime did Rachel really commit to deserve this? Rachel Hoffman, caught twice with a &#8220;baggie&#8221; of marijuana. A drug that many feel should be legal; and certainly not punishable with even one day in prison&#8230;&#8230; let alone 4 years. Ironic, isn’t it ?  Now, Rachel is off the streets forever and that&#8217;s a long time. </p>
<p>The world lost a fine young lady that was temporarily misguided with her choices. Society needs to re-evaluate our laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Fab</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-159356</link>
		<dc:creator>Fab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel was busted not once but twice, saw this on 20/20 and was pissed off, how is it possible that her parents never knew their so called "beutiful child" was doing drugs? Memo to those above drug are = Illegal to posses, use and distribute, she was place in a diversion program and she reverted to using and distributing, this was not a 16 year old this was supposedly a 23 year old college graduate, who from what her parents made clear on the news, she was soooooo wonderful, so innocent, well now she's dead because her drug habit exposed her to this danger, she is to blame for her own death, she was the one who made the voluntary choice to continue using and distributing drugs, she appears to have graduated from pot to ecstasy and since she was young she eventually would have graduated to something harder and bigger, her parents are blinded by their grief and their negligence that is in the back of their minds, why didn't they know, why didn't she tell them that she was on drugs??? This is what happens when kids are allowed to make their own choices instead of being guided from the craddle, this is what happens when the social experiements of the hippies go awry, personally I blame her parents for being such hands off with the raising of their child. Children always imitate the behaviour of their parents, I have no doubt that her parents were probably pot users as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel was busted not once but twice, saw this on 20/20 and was pissed off, how is it possible that her parents never knew their so called &#8220;beutiful child&#8221; was doing drugs? Memo to those above drug are = Illegal to posses, use and distribute, she was place in a diversion program and she reverted to using and distributing, this was not a 16 year old this was supposedly a 23 year old college graduate, who from what her parents made clear on the news, she was soooooo wonderful, so innocent, well now she&#8217;s dead because her drug habit exposed her to this danger, she is to blame for her own death, she was the one who made the voluntary choice to continue using and distributing drugs, she appears to have graduated from pot to ecstasy and since she was young she eventually would have graduated to something harder and bigger, her parents are blinded by their grief and their negligence that is in the back of their minds, why didn&#8217;t they know, why didn&#8217;t she tell them that she was on drugs??? This is what happens when kids are allowed to make their own choices instead of being guided from the craddle, this is what happens when the social experiements of the hippies go awry, personally I blame her parents for being such hands off with the raising of their child. Children always imitate the behaviour of their parents, I have no doubt that her parents were probably pot users as well.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaJeane</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-159317</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaJeane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TYPICAL Florida BS!!!  There is no state income tax in Florida.  Instead they generate money by criminalizing their populace.  Ever been to Florida?  Billboards advertising bailbondsmen are everywhere.  Pages and pages of them in the phone book.  Coincedence?  Think the jails are full of hardened criminals?  Think again.  Although some DO belong there (Casey Anthony), things like jaywalking, riding a bicycle without a headlight, a father going across the street to tell his child to come home for a hurricane curfew (true story) will land you in the slammer in Florida.  Then they've got you where they want you.  Under the constant threat of incarceration, they "legally" extort large sums of money for fines, fees, classes, probation etc.  And almost ALWAYS your probation will be violated so they can extort you twice for the same "crime".  Hence the saying:  "Go to Florida on vacation, leave on probation, come back on a violation, stay the duration."  If you say anything about it they will smugly tell you that you should have known better than to break "the law".  Florida the sunshine state?  HA!  More like the cat box state--all sand and full of sh*t!!!  YES, the cops should be arrested themselves for their inexcusable, deplorable conduct in this case.  And what about JEB BUSH's CRACKHEAD daughter?  I remember hearing about her getting caught trying to smuggle crack into her rehab facility in her shoe and the whole thing was hushed up and swept under the rug!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TYPICAL Florida BS!!!  There is no state income tax in Florida.  Instead they generate money by criminalizing their populace.  Ever been to Florida?  Billboards advertising bailbondsmen are everywhere.  Pages and pages of them in the phone book.  Coincedence?  Think the jails are full of hardened criminals?  Think again.  Although some DO belong there (Casey Anthony), things like jaywalking, riding a bicycle without a headlight, a father going across the street to tell his child to come home for a hurricane curfew (true story) will land you in the slammer in Florida.  Then they&#8217;ve got you where they want you.  Under the constant threat of incarceration, they &#8220;legally&#8221; extort large sums of money for fines, fees, classes, probation etc.  And almost ALWAYS your probation will be violated so they can extort you twice for the same &#8220;crime&#8221;.  Hence the saying:  &#8220;Go to Florida on vacation, leave on probation, come back on a violation, stay the duration.&#8221;  If you say anything about it they will smugly tell you that you should have known better than to break &#8220;the law&#8221;.  Florida the sunshine state?  HA!  More like the cat box state&#8211;all sand and full of sh*t!!!  YES, the cops should be arrested themselves for their inexcusable, deplorable conduct in this case.  And what about JEB BUSH&#8217;s CRACKHEAD daughter?  I remember hearing about her getting caught trying to smuggle crack into her rehab facility in her shoe and the whole thing was hushed up and swept under the rug!</p>
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		<title>By: BrokenYetAlive</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrokenYetAlive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I sit here watching 20/20, hearing this story for the first time, it saddens me. You should see this crooked police chief. He is such a pig, blaming her for her own death. If the deal had gone as planned, I guarantee that Rachels name would've never been mentioned. All you would see is that police chief on the front page of every newpaper, loathing in his own glory over another drug bust. Since Rachel was killed they chose to label her as a dealer and blame her. Once again, the "war on drugs" has taken another life.  May God bless her family and friends daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I sit here watching 20/20, hearing this story for the first time, it saddens me. You should see this crooked police chief. He is such a pig, blaming her for her own death. If the deal had gone as planned, I guarantee that Rachels name would&#8217;ve never been mentioned. All you would see is that police chief on the front page of every newpaper, loathing in his own glory over another drug bust. Since Rachel was killed they chose to label her as a dealer and blame her. Once again, the &#8220;war on drugs&#8221; has taken another life.  May God bless her family and friends daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-158809</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine spent almost four years in prison in Louisiana without being charged. The state troopers stopped his truck and found drugs inside. Even though he maintained that he did not know where the drugs came from, they tied to have him entrap some drug dealers he had never met before. They only let him go after failing to prove their conspiracy case. "War on drugs = war on people." There are hundreds of thousands of young people in prison for having a few ounces of marijuana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine spent almost four years in prison in Louisiana without being charged. The state troopers stopped his truck and found drugs inside. Even though he maintained that he did not know where the drugs came from, they tied to have him entrap some drug dealers he had never met before. They only let him go after failing to prove their conspiracy case. &#8220;War on drugs = war on people.&#8221; There are hundreds of thousands of young people in prison for having a few ounces of marijuana.</p>
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		<title>By: CWR</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-139547</link>
		<dc:creator>CWR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You're in a heap of trouble son"... "If you tell me where you got this stuff I can make it go easy on you"!  Been there, done that... Who can't understand that $10K worth looks so much -BETTER- than whatever amount Rachel had in her apartment. Cop = Judge + Jury. (what as warped reality). To those who blindly believe that Rachel chose to be an informant for TPD of her own free will, just don't get it, never have and never will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re in a heap of trouble son&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;If you tell me where you got this stuff I can make it go easy on you&#8221;!  Been there, done that&#8230; Who can&#8217;t understand that $10K worth looks so much -BETTER- than whatever amount Rachel had in her apartment. Cop = Judge + Jury. (what as warped reality). To those who blindly believe that Rachel chose to be an informant for TPD of her own free will, just don&#8217;t get it, never have and never will.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blaming a girl for her death although you coerced her to be an informant based on the fact that you were threatening to press bullshitted charges if she doesn't cooperate. Its all bullying and passing the buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaming a girl for her death although you coerced her to be an informant based on the fact that you were threatening to press bullshitted charges if she doesn&#8217;t cooperate. Its all bullying and passing the buck.</p>
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		<title>By: sickdrjoe</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-133856</link>
		<dc:creator>sickdrjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unpleasant truth no one wants to say out loud is that the VAST majority of violence associated with drugs is a direct result, NOT of the 'drug culture', but its illegal status - and the draconian MMMS penalties that await even minor transgressors. But how did we ever get from the path to decriminalization (and eventual legalization) that this country was on in the 1970s, to this climate of bloodshed and paranoia we live in now? Well, it starts with Reagan, was exarcerbated by the Religious Right, and reached crisis levels with a little legal wrinkle called "Asset Seizure &#38; Forfeiture". In other words, the War on Drugs is now a cash cow for law enforcement, who'll fight decrim with their last dying breath.

As for Ms Hoffman "willingly" turning informant, I have to smile. I guess nobody here has ever had a pair of cops - one "good", one "bad" - rhapsodize them with scenarios of years of violent homosexual rape (and gang-rape) in the joint that awaits all Non-Cooperators. "B-but...but...the Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment!", you bleat. Yeah, well, the Constitution - like justice itself - is now an avenue restricted to those with the means to buy the best lawyers, I'm afraid. (Hooray for the Patriot Act!) Thus "work with us, Rachel, or you'll be riding broomsticks the hard way for the next ten years" becomes - you should pardon the word - a "legitimate" tactic for crime fighting. 

However, even a public defender beats no lawyer at all. Nothing can bring Ms Hoffman back, but the rest of us should learn from this: never talk to the police - not one word, regardless of what you're being threatened with - until you've talked to a lawyer FIRST. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6. 

RIP, Rachel Hoffman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unpleasant truth no one wants to say out loud is that the VAST majority of violence associated with drugs is a direct result, NOT of the &#8216;drug culture&#8217;, but its illegal status - and the draconian MMMS penalties that await even minor transgressors. But how did we ever get from the path to decriminalization (and eventual legalization) that this country was on in the 1970s, to this climate of bloodshed and paranoia we live in now? Well, it starts with Reagan, was exarcerbated by the Religious Right, and reached crisis levels with a little legal wrinkle called &#8220;Asset Seizure &amp; Forfeiture&#8221;. In other words, the War on Drugs is now a cash cow for law enforcement, who&#8217;ll fight decrim with their last dying breath.</p>
<p>As for Ms Hoffman &#8220;willingly&#8221; turning informant, I have to smile. I guess nobody here has ever had a pair of cops - one &#8220;good&#8221;, one &#8220;bad&#8221; - rhapsodize them with scenarios of years of violent homosexual rape (and gang-rape) in the joint that awaits all Non-Cooperators. &#8220;B-but&#8230;but&#8230;the Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment!&#8221;, you bleat. Yeah, well, the Constitution - like justice itself - is now an avenue restricted to those with the means to buy the best lawyers, I&#8217;m afraid. (Hooray for the Patriot Act!) Thus &#8220;work with us, Rachel, or you&#8217;ll be riding broomsticks the hard way for the next ten years&#8221; becomes - you should pardon the word - a &#8220;legitimate&#8221; tactic for crime fighting. </p>
<p>However, even a public defender beats no lawyer at all. Nothing can bring Ms Hoffman back, but the rest of us should learn from this: never talk to the police - not one word, regardless of what you&#8217;re being threatened with - until you&#8217;ve talked to a lawyer FIRST. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6. </p>
<p>RIP, Rachel Hoffman.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a sad story, and I do sympathize for Rachel and her family. But, at the same time, Rachel was given a choice about the drug sting, and she chose to do it. So, how is TPD to blame for this tragedy?  The people who killed her are to blame, and that is it. I agree that TPD should of not given her the opportunity to do the sting, that is what Vice and Narcotics is for, but I'm sure these guys would of only sold to her, no random guys, and she probably knew that. They were giving her a "get out of jail free" card, and she decided, on her own, not forced, to take it. She knew what these men were capable of; she bought drugs from them in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a sad story, and I do sympathize for Rachel and her family. But, at the same time, Rachel was given a choice about the drug sting, and she chose to do it. So, how is TPD to blame for this tragedy?  The people who killed her are to blame, and that is it. I agree that TPD should of not given her the opportunity to do the sting, that is what Vice and Narcotics is for, but I&#8217;m sure these guys would of only sold to her, no random guys, and she probably knew that. They were giving her a &#8220;get out of jail free&#8221; card, and she decided, on her own, not forced, to take it. She knew what these men were capable of; she bought drugs from them in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Arc</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-129021</link>
		<dc:creator>Arc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've seen the idea of the 'big fish, little fish' idea voiced above. What I've long been curious about is the reason for such a concept to exist at all. Let's face it; the 'Law', in American terminology is absolute. So why play dodge-ball with it? 

Big fish?? Bullshit! Wipe out the demand and supply will disappear. In other words, do the job you're being paid to do. Pretty simple stuff that can be demonstrated by myriad examples. Otherwise what is the value of a law enforcement entity that refuses to enforce the Law, but instead relies on law-breakers to do its job for them, at any cost? 

This is America, right? Odd, that it seems like a conversation one might have had in mid-eighties Russia. Is this really America, or is that just the BS the TV is feeding people? Man, wanna talk about apathy?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the idea of the &#8216;big fish, little fish&#8217; idea voiced above. What I&#8217;ve long been curious about is the reason for such a concept to exist at all. Let&#8217;s face it; the &#8216;Law&#8217;, in American terminology is absolute. So why play dodge-ball with it? </p>
<p>Big fish?? Bullshit! Wipe out the demand and supply will disappear. In other words, do the job you&#8217;re being paid to do. Pretty simple stuff that can be demonstrated by myriad examples. Otherwise what is the value of a law enforcement entity that refuses to enforce the Law, but instead relies on law-breakers to do its job for them, at any cost? </p>
<p>This is America, right? Odd, that it seems like a conversation one might have had in mid-eighties Russia. Is this really America, or is that just the BS the TV is feeding people? Man, wanna talk about apathy?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Students for Sensible Drug Policy @ UH &#187; War on Drugs Kills Students for Sensible Drug Policy @ UH</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-113729</link>
		<dc:creator>Students for Sensible Drug Policy @ UH &#187; War on Drugs Kills Students for Sensible Drug Policy @ UH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] write up at The Agitator, by Radley Balko, one of my favorite bloggers. Original [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cope</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-112961</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 00:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From everything that I have read the 'police' say that they had protection in place for Rachel that fateful night.  Whether she deviated from instruction or not she let the police know exactlly where she was, I'm sure with the thought that she was being 'protected'.  Apparently, again from the articles, they were aware that they were all going down Gardner Road.  That is a dead end road.  How do you 'lose' someone (for two days) that you are supposed to be protecting, on a dead end road.  I'm not too smart but doesn't dead end mean one way in, one way out?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From everything that I have read the &#8216;police&#8217; say that they had protection in place for Rachel that fateful night.  Whether she deviated from instruction or not she let the police know exactlly where she was, I&#8217;m sure with the thought that she was being &#8216;protected&#8217;.  Apparently, again from the articles, they were aware that they were all going down Gardner Road.  That is a dead end road.  How do you &#8216;lose&#8217; someone (for two days) that you are supposed to be protecting, on a dead end road.  I&#8217;m not too smart but doesn&#8217;t dead end mean one way in, one way out?!?</p>
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		<title>By: pzykr</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-112322</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tallahassee Democrat is running a major update of this story right now:

http://www.tallahassee.com

All we have to believe is that Rachel refused to follow instructions not to follow the perps down Gardner Road.

"Pender last saw Hoffman on North Meridian Road south of Forestmeadows. Hoffman called Pender and said she was following Green and Bradshaw in their car down Gardner Road. Pender said he told Hoffman not to follow them, but Hoffman hung up."

i'm sure this terrified college girl felt like being a hero that night.....

Anyone tried driving down Gardner Road to see what cell phone reception is like in that remote area?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tallahassee Democrat is running a major update of this story right now:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tallahassee.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tallahassee.com</a></p>
<p>All we have to believe is that Rachel refused to follow instructions not to follow the perps down Gardner Road.</p>
<p>&#8220;Pender last saw Hoffman on North Meridian Road south of Forestmeadows. Hoffman called Pender and said she was following Green and Bradshaw in their car down Gardner Road. Pender said he told Hoffman not to follow them, but Hoffman hung up.&#8221;</p>
<p>i&#8217;m sure this terrified college girl felt like being a hero that night&#8230;..</p>
<p>Anyone tried driving down Gardner Road to see what cell phone reception is like in that remote area?</p>
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		<title>By: pzykr</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-111586</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LEMOM-is that for Law Enforcement Mom?  At least own up to your bias.  You needn't own up to your ignorance: it shrieks from your pen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LEMOM-is that for Law Enforcement Mom?  At least own up to your bias.  You needn&#8217;t own up to your ignorance: it shrieks from your pen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-111559</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemom#29, The reality is that most people are too ethical to do "the job". The police are funded with money that is acquired through threat of murder. Some pretty up the theft through threat of murder by calling it "taxes" but most know the truth. The reality is that the "irresponsible" people are the ones who continue to accept a paycheck that is funded through threats of murder. If you're too ignorant to know this then someone never taught you "right from wrong".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemom#29, The reality is that most people are too ethical to do &#8220;the job&#8221;. The police are funded with money that is acquired through threat of murder. Some pretty up the theft through threat of murder by calling it &#8220;taxes&#8221; but most know the truth. The reality is that the &#8220;irresponsible&#8221; people are the ones who continue to accept a paycheck that is funded through threats of murder. If you&#8217;re too ignorant to know this then someone never taught you &#8220;right from wrong&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-111550</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LEMOM,

We don't have the balls to be police?  That's a hoot.  Being a police officer isn't even in the top ten of America's most dangerous jobs.  Fisherman, loggers, farmers, truckers and minners all have more dangerous jobs.  

It's funny how you evoke the policing is a dangerous job so can't criticize it unless you're willing to do it line of false reasoning when the police weren't in any sense acting with bravery.  They contracted the most dangerous part of their job out to some poor college girl that thought an arrest for a small amount of illicit drugs would ruin her bright future.  

The officers involved are cowards and deserve to be called as such because they are were willing to reckless endanger the life of someone else in order to advance their own careers.  Maybe some of the blame lies with Rachel for her past transgressions but the overwhelming majority of the blame falls on the TPD for for recklessly endangering her life by setting such an idiotic buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LEMOM,</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have the balls to be police?  That&#8217;s a hoot.  Being a police officer isn&#8217;t even in the top ten of America&#8217;s most dangerous jobs.  Fisherman, loggers, farmers, truckers and minners all have more dangerous jobs.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how you evoke the policing is a dangerous job so can&#8217;t criticize it unless you&#8217;re willing to do it line of false reasoning when the police weren&#8217;t in any sense acting with bravery.  They contracted the most dangerous part of their job out to some poor college girl that thought an arrest for a small amount of illicit drugs would ruin her bright future.  </p>
<p>The officers involved are cowards and deserve to be called as such because they are were willing to reckless endanger the life of someone else in order to advance their own careers.  Maybe some of the blame lies with Rachel for her past transgressions but the overwhelming majority of the blame falls on the TPD for for recklessly endangering her life by setting such an idiotic buy.</p>
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		<title>By: dtbjd</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/12/rachel-hoffman-rip/#comment-111417</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lemom,
This is the fundamental problem of our time.  You (i assume from your commentary that you are either a LE officer or you have some uncanny-overzealous appreciation for them) and other LE officers or blind supporters have the mentality that it is "us" vs, "them."  What used to be a watered down version of LE is to protect and serve the public has become evaporated into a conception of a brotherhood in which LE is nothing more than government sanctioned brute squad and well funded gangs.

I believe the the police actually loath its citizens.  It is incomprehensible the things that LE officers do in the name of fighting crime.  Many (not all) LE officers are criminals.

One final comment.  It amazes me that you and many others speak of "its a dangerous job" and "if you don't have the balls to do the job then don't judge them."  I have seen literally 8 police cars at on traffic stop that becomes a bust.  You say these guys are in danger?  

I have noticed that when something is missing from our lives - propaganda attempts to convince us that we possess it in huge quantities.

How often do we hear the media or government representitives tell us that we are the land of the free or that we have enormous freedoms.  And yet, in reality the fourth amendment has been all but eliminated and LE possess more power in this country than any other time in our very young history. lemom, LE officers have a duty to enforce the law not to arbitrarily write and adjudicate their version of the law. Open your eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lemom,<br />
This is the fundamental problem of our time.  You (i assume from your commentary that you are either a LE officer or you have some uncanny-overzealous appreciation for them) and other LE officers or blind supporters have the mentality that it is &#8220;us&#8221; vs, &#8220;them.&#8221;  What used to be a watered down version of LE is to protect and serve the public has become evaporated into a conception of a brotherhood in which LE is nothing more than government sanctioned brute squad and well funded gangs.</p>
<p>I believe the the police actually loath its citizens.  It is incomprehensible the things that LE officers do in the name of fighting crime.  Many (not all) LE officers are criminals.</p>
<p>One final comment.  It amazes me that you and many others speak of &#8220;its a dangerous job&#8221; and &#8220;if you don&#8217;t have the balls to do the job then don&#8217;t judge them.&#8221;  I have seen literally 8 police cars at on traffic stop that becomes a bust.  You say these guys are in danger?  </p>
<p>I have noticed that when something is missing from our lives - propaganda attempts to convince us that we possess it in huge quantities.</p>
<p>How often do we hear the media or government representitives tell us that we are the land of the free or that we have enormous freedoms.  And yet, in reality the fourth amendment has been all but eliminated and LE possess more power in this country than any other time in our very young history. lemom, LE officers have a duty to enforce the law not to arbitrarily write and adjudicate their version of the law. Open your eyes.</p>
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