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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Warrior Training&#8221; at North Little Rock PD</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-109591</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I’m not a cop, but I’m a warrior."

No you're not, you cowardly piece of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m not a cop, but I’m a warrior.&#8221;</p>
<p>No you&#8217;re not, you cowardly piece of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2008-05-12 &#8211; No, seriously, I could swear the water in this pot is getting a little hotter…. (#2)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2008-05-12 &#8211; No, seriously, I could swear the water in this pot is getting a little hotter…. (#2)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s Radley Balko on the Arkansas tactical officers&#8217; class (read the whole thing): [...]</description>
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		<title>By: OMFG!!! &#171; Curtis Lowe</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-109459</link>
		<dc:creator>OMFG!!! &#171; Curtis Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] why people are losing respect for them?&#160; From no-knock warrants, to training police to have a &#8220;Warrior Mindset,&#8221; (WTF?) to now, being charged with &#8220;assault with a deadly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] why people are losing respect for them?&nbsp; From no-knock warrants, to training police to have a &#8220;Warrior Mindset,&#8221; (WTF?) to now, being charged with &#8220;assault with a deadly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Red Green</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-108676</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 13:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"this is America,come out with your hands up! " Now a phrase heard the world over. Another Kent State occurrance is surely on the horizon. Team America, fuck yeah!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;this is America,come out with your hands up! &#8221; Now a phrase heard the world over. Another Kent State occurrance is surely on the horizon. Team America, fuck yeah!.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-108651</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 13:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing new about this. 

U.S. private and government sniper training centers indoctrinate shooters into "DEHUMANIZING" a target so that the shooter can maintain a better mental health about their career choice. 

As the Philadelphia Commissioner of Police shouted over a bull horn to the barricaded in their home MOVE group on Mothers Day 1985, 

"This is America, come out with your hands up!"

The police then initiated an assault that expended ten thousand rounds and burned down sixty-one row homes and killed eleven people including five children.

"This is America, come out with your hands up!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing new about this. </p>
<p>U.S. private and government sniper training centers indoctrinate shooters into &#8220;DEHUMANIZING&#8221; a target so that the shooter can maintain a better mental health about their career choice. </p>
<p>As the Philadelphia Commissioner of Police shouted over a bull horn to the barricaded in their home MOVE group on Mothers Day 1985, </p>
<p>&#8220;This is America, come out with your hands up!&#8221;</p>
<p>The police then initiated an assault that expended ten thousand rounds and burned down sixty-one row homes and killed eleven people including five children.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is America, come out with your hands up!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Commander William Adama</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-107918</link>
		<dc:creator>Commander William Adama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-106575</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue,
When your local Police tell you that they are sending an officer over to move in to your house, with you, without your concent then you can claim a Third Amendment violation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue,<br />
When your local Police tell you that they are sending an officer over to move in to your house, with you, without your concent then you can claim a Third Amendment violation.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the class is limited to law enforcement and military so that murderers, rapists, and other criminals (and terrorists) can't learn the secrets to combating law enforcement and military tactics.  Naaaaaah.  It's limited to law enforcement and military so non-violent drug offenders, the poor, immigrants, political dissidents, journalists, and those of us unwilling to turn over our guns don't learn the secrets to combating such tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the class is limited to law enforcement and military so that murderers, rapists, and other criminals (and terrorists) can&#8217;t learn the secrets to combating law enforcement and military tactics.  Naaaaaah.  It&#8217;s limited to law enforcement and military so non-violent drug offenders, the poor, immigrants, political dissidents, journalists, and those of us unwilling to turn over our guns don&#8217;t learn the secrets to combating such tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-106395</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the Third Amendment is very specific... 
&lt;blockquote&gt;No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
... perhaps the nation's founders didn't have the foresight to imagine swat teams in battledress with MP5 automatic assault rifles, flash-bang grenades, attack dogs, riot shields, armored personnel carriers. We've completely dismissed the intent of this Amendment and I think most people consider it to be outmoded and irrelevant. Why do so many law-and-order types think that the constitution stops at the 2nd Amendment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the Third Amendment is very specific&#8230; </p>
<blockquote><p>No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; perhaps the nation&#8217;s founders didn&#8217;t have the foresight to imagine swat teams in battledress with MP5 automatic assault rifles, flash-bang grenades, attack dogs, riot shields, armored personnel carriers. We&#8217;ve completely dismissed the intent of this Amendment and I think most people consider it to be outmoded and irrelevant. Why do so many law-and-order types think that the constitution stops at the 2nd Amendment?</p>
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		<title>By: DJMoore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-106056</link>
		<dc:creator>DJMoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My objection is to "This class is limited to law enforcement and military only".

See Robert Peel's Seventh Principle of Policing: "Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence."

I have absolutely no problem with a course teaching the "warrior mindset" as it seems to be defined here; it addresses problems that strike me as being common to anyone who might have to use deadly force to defend themselves, their families, or their communities. 

However, that's all of us, every single one of us. This course seeks to create a special social and political class of "Only Ones" who are authorized to use deadly force against all the rest of us. The rest of us, who are barred from the course, are assumed to lack the judgment needed to make life-and-death decisions under attack, even with training. 

No good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My objection is to &#8220;This class is limited to law enforcement and military only&#8221;.</p>
<p>See Robert Peel&#8217;s Seventh Principle of Policing: &#8220;Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have absolutely no problem with a course teaching the &#8220;warrior mindset&#8221; as it seems to be defined here; it addresses problems that strike me as being common to anyone who might have to use deadly force to defend themselves, their families, or their communities. </p>
<p>However, that&#8217;s all of us, every single one of us. This course seeks to create a special social and political class of &#8220;Only Ones&#8221; who are authorized to use deadly force against all the rest of us. The rest of us, who are barred from the course, are assumed to lack the judgment needed to make life-and-death decisions under attack, even with training. </p>
<p>No good.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-105809</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 -- The guy teaching the course has a military background, and gives the same course to military units.  The course flat-out says its open to police or military.  And it's offered not just to SWAT teams, but to patrol officers and investigating officers. 

I'd call that a troubling mix of police and military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 &#8212; The guy teaching the course has a military background, and gives the same course to military units.  The course flat-out says its open to police or military.  And it&#8217;s offered not just to SWAT teams, but to patrol officers and investigating officers. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d call that a troubling mix of police and military.</p>
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		<title>By: Max D.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-105805</link>
		<dc:creator>Max D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be attributing more military to the term than it warrants. In some circles--particularly some non-police circles--being a warrior is a good thing. People who have taken it upon themselves to carry concealed weapons to protect themselves and their families, and take a firm stand against terrorism (whether by a foreign gov't or our own), often call themselves warriors. Or sheepdogs. The alternative is to be, of course, a sheep.

There are books about/for "Christian warriors," and one called "Sharpening the Warrior's Edge." Mostly it's about optimizing your strengths and performing to your potential. Is it bad because it has a pseudo-military connotation?

I'm not a cop, but I'm a warrior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be attributing more military to the term than it warrants. In some circles&#8211;particularly some non-police circles&#8211;being a warrior is a good thing. People who have taken it upon themselves to carry concealed weapons to protect themselves and their families, and take a firm stand against terrorism (whether by a foreign gov&#8217;t or our own), often call themselves warriors. Or sheepdogs. The alternative is to be, of course, a sheep.</p>
<p>There are books about/for &#8220;Christian warriors,&#8221; and one called &#8220;Sharpening the Warrior&#8217;s Edge.&#8221; Mostly it&#8217;s about optimizing your strengths and performing to your potential. Is it bad because it has a pseudo-military connotation?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a cop, but I&#8217;m a warrior.</p>
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		<title>By: leTerrassier</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-105798</link>
		<dc:creator>leTerrassier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should start teaching a course entitled "The Terrorist mindset" to all non police and military, and see how they like it. Because, the truth is, they're teaching someone who uses deadly weapons in dealing with the general public that they should have the mindset of a professional killer- and that is a deadly threat to us all. It's like teaching a doberman pincher to attack all strangers on sight, and then letting the thing run free in an elementary school. What do they expect will happen? I've been reading a bit of R.J. Rummel's work lately, and he points out that, in almost all cases, autocracy leads directly to democide and furthering the development of autocracy also furthers the development of the governing bodies mindset- that is, to say, their warrior mindset- that killing, starving, torturing, and more are perfectly acceptable means to furthering the states ends. This mindset which empowered Hitler and Stalin and Mao, and it's this mindset we know want to bring to America? This will only end in disaster. Disaster for Americans, and disaster for the whole world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should start teaching a course entitled &#8220;The Terrorist mindset&#8221; to all non police and military, and see how they like it. Because, the truth is, they&#8217;re teaching someone who uses deadly weapons in dealing with the general public that they should have the mindset of a professional killer- and that is a deadly threat to us all. It&#8217;s like teaching a doberman pincher to attack all strangers on sight, and then letting the thing run free in an elementary school. What do they expect will happen? I&#8217;ve been reading a bit of R.J. Rummel&#8217;s work lately, and he points out that, in almost all cases, autocracy leads directly to democide and furthering the development of autocracy also furthers the development of the governing bodies mindset- that is, to say, their warrior mindset- that killing, starving, torturing, and more are perfectly acceptable means to furthering the states ends. This mindset which empowered Hitler and Stalin and Mao, and it&#8217;s this mindset we know want to bring to America? This will only end in disaster. Disaster for Americans, and disaster for the whole world.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maxnnr,

Actually, I've known several policemen who were very good soldiers and plenty of soldiers who would make really bad cops.  In fact, you could make the argument that a large part of the reason Iraq became such a mess was because when we took control we gave the people soldiers for security when what they really needed was cops.  The careers aren't the same and neither group is particularly well-suited to do the other's job (or their own) without proper training, guidance and leadership.  That's why the militarization of the police forces doesn't work...because it's not emphasizing the skills police need to do their jobs effectively, not because police aren't capable of becoming soldiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maxnnr,</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve known several policemen who were very good soldiers and plenty of soldiers who would make really bad cops.  In fact, you could make the argument that a large part of the reason Iraq became such a mess was because when we took control we gave the people soldiers for security when what they really needed was cops.  The careers aren&#8217;t the same and neither group is particularly well-suited to do the other&#8217;s job (or their own) without proper training, guidance and leadership.  That&#8217;s why the militarization of the police forces doesn&#8217;t work&#8230;because it&#8217;s not emphasizing the skills police need to do their jobs effectively, not because police aren&#8217;t capable of becoming soldiers.</p>
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		<title>By: Observant Bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observant Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said, does Bradley approve of his own department offering this class?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said, does Bradley approve of his own department offering this class?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley, I agree with you completely when you write about police forces.  And warrior training is a very unfortunate name.

But are these classes really a problem "fear management, decision making, emotional survival, physical fitness ?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley, I agree with you completely when you write about police forces.  And warrior training is a very unfortunate name.</p>
<p>But are these classes really a problem &#8220;fear management, decision making, emotional survival, physical fitness ?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Observant Bystander</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/north-little-rock-pd/#comment-105773</link>
		<dc:creator>Observant Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earlier, you linked to an interview with Danny Bradley, who is the chief of the North Little Rock Police Department. He said,

"Bradley said he cringes a bit when he hears politicians talk about 'the war on drugs,' because it assumes that police officers are soldiers, and citizens are the enemy. Bradley said that since he became chief, he has worked to remove the militaristic trappings of the NLRPD. . . . 'I don't want my officers out there thinking they're soldiers against the enemy. That's not what we're about.'"

Does he approve of his officers signing up for this course? I don't see how he could, given this statement.

http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=48fc8d26-650e-4708-88ab-9df53604ce6b</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier, you linked to an interview with Danny Bradley, who is the chief of the North Little Rock Police Department. He said,</p>
<p>&#8220;Bradley said he cringes a bit when he hears politicians talk about &#8216;the war on drugs,&#8217; because it assumes that police officers are soldiers, and citizens are the enemy. Bradley said that since he became chief, he has worked to remove the militaristic trappings of the NLRPD. . . . &#8216;I don&#8217;t want my officers out there thinking they&#8217;re soldiers against the enemy. That&#8217;s not what we&#8217;re about.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Does he approve of his officers signing up for this course? I don&#8217;t see how he could, given this statement.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=48fc8d26-650e-4708-88ab-9df53604ce6b" rel="nofollow">http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=48fc8d26-650e-4708-88ab-9df53604ce6b</a></p>
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		<title>By: maxnnr</title>
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		<dc:creator>maxnnr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cops make really bad soldiers.
Soldiers make mediocre cops.
Reason is: cops have very little discipline or self control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cops make really bad soldiers.<br />
Soldiers make mediocre cops.<br />
Reason is: cops have very little discipline or self control.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To any peace officers who are reading this--what Radley said. The more like the military police become, the less citizens will trust them. 

"A policeman's job is only easy in a police state."--Orson Welles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To any peace officers who are reading this&#8211;what Radley said. The more like the military police become, the less citizens will trust them. </p>
<p>&#8220;A policeman&#8217;s job is only easy in a police state.&#8221;&#8211;Orson Welles</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in AL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soon they will be offering psych counseling classes like "How to not let killing an innocent woman get you down" and "How to convince yourself they're not really people"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soon they will be offering psych counseling classes like &#8220;How to not let killing an innocent woman get you down&#8221; and &#8220;How to convince yourself they&#8217;re not really people&#8221;</p>
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