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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: GU</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/about-them-judges/#comment-105619</link>
		<dc:creator>GU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT, care to elaborate on the conservatives at Cato (i.e. list some of them)?  I don't mean this in a snide way, I'm honestly curious.  I'm fairly familiar with the work Cato puts out, but I haven't noticed all that much "conservative stuff" (e.g. railing for state imposed morality).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT, care to elaborate on the conservatives at Cato (i.e. list some of them)?  I don&#8217;t mean this in a snide way, I&#8217;m honestly curious.  I&#8217;m fairly familiar with the work Cato puts out, but I haven&#8217;t noticed all that much &#8220;conservative stuff&#8221; (e.g. railing for state imposed morality).</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/about-them-judges/#comment-105610</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know much about the Supreme Court, but I would guess that the most likely nominees are not going to be those who oppose expanded power for those who do the nominating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know much about the Supreme Court, but I would guess that the most likely nominees are not going to be those who oppose expanded power for those who do the nominating.</p>
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		<title>By: offtopicrant &#187; McCain&#8217;s views on the Supreme Court</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/about-them-judges/#comment-105590</link>
		<dc:creator>offtopicrant &#187; McCain&#8217;s views on the Supreme Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] everybody has the same point of view and McCain&#8217;s attitudes on federal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] everybody has the same point of view and McCain&#8217;s attitudes on federal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/about-them-judges/#comment-105573</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a bunch of "straight conservatives" who work at Cato (by this I mean people who favor pro-market economic reforms but also government that actively promotes "social order" and traditional morality both at home and abroad). In some areas of public policy, the interests of libertarians and conservatives overlap, so you don't see a clear conflict. In other areas, they don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a bunch of &#8220;straight conservatives&#8221; who work at Cato (by this I mean people who favor pro-market economic reforms but also government that actively promotes &#8220;social order&#8221; and traditional morality both at home and abroad). In some areas of public policy, the interests of libertarians and conservatives overlap, so you don&#8217;t see a clear conflict. In other areas, they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Judicial activism" in most cases really means "giving rights to people we don't think should have them." So, you know, if Alito and Roberts represent the opposite approach, this isn't too surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Judicial activism&#8221; in most cases really means &#8220;giving rights to people we don&#8217;t think should have them.&#8221; So, you know, if Alito and Roberts represent the opposite approach, this isn&#8217;t too surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: GU</title>
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		<dc:creator>GU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 17:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few weeks ago, Ilya was lamenting the "extreme judicial activism" (paraphrase) of the Roe v. Wade decision.  Ilya sounds more and more like a straight conservative--what is he doing at Cato?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago, Ilya was lamenting the &#8220;extreme judicial activism&#8221; (paraphrase) of the Roe v. Wade decision.  Ilya sounds more and more like a straight conservative&#8211;what is he doing at Cato?</p>
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		<title>By: Zeb</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/about-them-judges/#comment-105417</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The supreme court is probably the biggest reason why I would never vote for McCain.  I really don't see any pressure to reduce the federal government's size or unconstitutional powers coming from the court, so the best we can hope for is a court that will be good on civil liberties and hopefully push back a bit against these assertions of presidential power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The supreme court is probably the biggest reason why I would never vote for McCain.  I really don&#8217;t see any pressure to reduce the federal government&#8217;s size or unconstitutional powers coming from the court, so the best we can hope for is a court that will be good on civil liberties and hopefully push back a bit against these assertions of presidential power.</p>
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		<title>By: Scared Stiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scared Stiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Radley.  I must say, ever since you left Cato, the place has gone down hill!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Radley.  I must say, ever since you left Cato, the place has gone down hill!</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven,

It's true that older concepts of the Unitary Executive were more about objecting to inter-branch agencies and attempts to usurp the executive's ability to enforce the law.

But if you read the memos from John Yoo, David Addington &#038; co. over the last seven years, they're arguing for a concept of the Unitary Executive that's much more broad and immune to checks and balances.  This goes way beyond, for example, objections to the Independent Counsel law.  Yoo and Addington argue not only that the executive is in charge of executing the laws, they argue that in matters of foreign policy and national defense, the president isn't obligated to follow any laws that Congress passes that limit his powers in those areas. 

Such is why Bush signed the torture bill and PATRIOT Act reauthorization into law, but then issued a signing statement that essentially said he had no plans to abide by either law.  Even guys like Dick Thornburgh--who supported Unitary Executive Theory as attorney general during the George H.W. Bush administration--have expressed concern about this new push (supported, incidentally, by both Roberts and Alito).

I really recommend Savage's book.  He's not your typical liberal media elite.  The book was endorsed by people like George Will, Richard Epstein, and Mickey Edwards (former head of the American Conservative Union).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that older concepts of the Unitary Executive were more about objecting to inter-branch agencies and attempts to usurp the executive&#8217;s ability to enforce the law.</p>
<p>But if you read the memos from John Yoo, David Addington &#038; co. over the last seven years, they&#8217;re arguing for a concept of the Unitary Executive that&#8217;s much more broad and immune to checks and balances.  This goes way beyond, for example, objections to the Independent Counsel law.  Yoo and Addington argue not only that the executive is in charge of executing the laws, they argue that in matters of foreign policy and national defense, the president isn&#8217;t obligated to follow any laws that Congress passes that limit his powers in those areas. </p>
<p>Such is why Bush signed the torture bill and PATRIOT Act reauthorization into law, but then issued a signing statement that essentially said he had no plans to abide by either law.  Even guys like Dick Thornburgh&#8211;who supported Unitary Executive Theory as attorney general during the George H.W. Bush administration&#8211;have expressed concern about this new push (supported, incidentally, by both Roberts and Alito).</p>
<p>I really recommend Savage&#8217;s book.  He&#8217;s not your typical liberal media elite.  The book was endorsed by people like George Will, Richard Epstein, and Mickey Edwards (former head of the American Conservative Union).</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Horwitz</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/07/about-them-judges/#comment-105376</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Horwitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 14:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley,

I certainly agree with your concerns about Roberts and Alito.  However, I think your description of the "unitary executive" is incorrect, and the mistake you make is a common one.  As I understand it, the idea is NOT that the president's powers over military and security issues are unlimited and uncheckable.  Instead, it's that only the executive branch can and should have the responsibility for the execution of the laws, hence Congress cannot create agencies to execute laws that the President, as head of the executive branch, has no ability to control.  The point is that the "executive" function should be unified/unitary under the President, NOT that the executive branch trumps all others.

&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wikipedia's &lt;/a&gt;summary:

"In American political and legal discourse, the unitary executive theory is a theory or doctrine of Constitutional interpretation that holds it is unconstitutional for Congress to create "independent" agencies, authorities, or other entities that exercise executive, and sometimes quasi-legislative or quasi-judicial, powers, governed by officials the President may be authorized to nominate, perhaps with the advice and consent of Congress, but he is not authorized to remove or discipline. It stems from an interpretation of the separation of powers and of Article II of the U.S. Constitution, that only the President is vested with the power to execute the laws in the executive branch."

The idea may be a bad one, but your description, like that of many other critics, isn't quite accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley,</p>
<p>I certainly agree with your concerns about Roberts and Alito.  However, I think your description of the &#8220;unitary executive&#8221; is incorrect, and the mistake you make is a common one.  As I understand it, the idea is NOT that the president&#8217;s powers over military and security issues are unlimited and uncheckable.  Instead, it&#8217;s that only the executive branch can and should have the responsibility for the execution of the laws, hence Congress cannot create agencies to execute laws that the President, as head of the executive branch, has no ability to control.  The point is that the &#8220;executive&#8221; function should be unified/unitary under the President, NOT that the executive branch trumps all others.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia&#8217;s </a>summary:</p>
<p>&#8220;In American political and legal discourse, the unitary executive theory is a theory or doctrine of Constitutional interpretation that holds it is unconstitutional for Congress to create &#8220;independent&#8221; agencies, authorities, or other entities that exercise executive, and sometimes quasi-legislative or quasi-judicial, powers, governed by officials the President may be authorized to nominate, perhaps with the advice and consent of Congress, but he is not authorized to remove or discipline. It stems from an interpretation of the separation of powers and of Article II of the U.S. Constitution, that only the President is vested with the power to execute the laws in the executive branch.&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea may be a bad one, but your description, like that of many other critics, isn&#8217;t quite accurate.</p>
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