The Rich article was a horribly weak stab at moral relativism. Hagee endorsed McCain, didn’t perform at this wedding, baptize his kids, and McCain didn’t write an inspiring book based on what he learned for 2 decades while attending Hagees church. Do we really wanna run around and renounce everyone who says something we disagree with? Does Pamela Anderson mean that much to us?
What really would have gotten people worked up is if Hagee had said black kids aren’t the same as white kids and needed to be put in settings away from white kids so they could learn the way god made them. You know, what Wright said.
Tokin has this exactly right. Equating the political maneuverings associciated with Hagee to Wright is ridiculous. Obama messed up something serious in not leaving that church when he became senator. It is a legititame question to ask why his ass isn’t serious enough to leave some dumbass southside church when he’s a US Senator. Honestly, if he isn’t world savy enough to know that associating with the guy that got him elected to city council would screw hem in a presidential run, how in the hell are we supposed to expect him to be a good president? This shit has Jimmy Carter written all over it.
When I get some coffee in my sytem, I’m going to speak the language without cursing and tackle the agitator’s idiotic f**king ideas of how Bayes’ Theorem relates to DNA testing.
McCain actively sought out Hagee’s endorsement, and has done nothing to renounce it, even after learning that the guy is a nut.
And Alex, given that professional statisticians have written about Bayes’ Theorem’s application to cold searches of DNA databases, I anxiously await to see how you’ll show us that you’re right, and they’re wrong.
Perhaps one reason McCain has not renounced Hagee is because most of what Hagee is accused of is either not true or distorted. Here’s a link to InsideCatholic.com’s article on getting to know John Hagee.
I still don’t understand why there is an Obama / Wright scandal. I think Wright gives a pretty damned interesting sermon. It bothers me more that Obama renounced / denounced him than it does that he went to his church for 20 years.
Hagee has some weird religious beliefs but aren’t religious beliefs by their very nature always weird?
And just for full disclosure I admit that I would not vote for the Republican candidate this time around even if he could walk on water and feed 5,000 with a few loaves and fish. The Republicans have had the White House for eight years and look around you. To hell with them. Let somebody else have a turn at bat.
I don’t think the argument is that they are the same exact thing, but that the difference between them is much less than the diference in the way they have been covered. Why has almost no one even spoken about Hagee? Why is that probably only a very small percentage of amercians could tell you who he is in a politcal context but jeremiah Wright is a household name?
It’s not the same thing but it’s also not necessarily worse for Obama. He should have left his church for startegic political reasons, indeed, but I think when you know someone really well, and you find them to be a good person, you’re very inclined to forgive and just disagree with the crazy political things they say. Seeking out someone’s endorsement seems to indicate that you like their ideas and what they stand for and you have little else to go on.
They are both issues of political strategy, McCain seeking votes and Obama failing to make a wise decision to avoid controversy. But one is transparent pandering and the other one, while foolish, appears to have been motivated by loyalty.
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May 5th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Tokin42: Just wanted to say that I accidentally thumbs downed you when I meant to thumbs up you. Sorry about hurting your ranking.
Anyway, I always liked Ron Paul’s take on things: I am what I am regardless of who flocks to me. I think that’s why Radley’s point is very relevant.
That having been said, I agree with all who say that it really just isn’t an apt comparison. Now, the things that the article says about Giuliani’s associates…I think he’s got something there.
Jeez, Michael, sorry I didn’t properly linkify you. That’s my work link, and I just keep it there, standard.
I seem to recall I heard the McCain comment while watching NBC Nightly News. McCain was sitting in the back seat of a bus, I think, and the off-camera reporter to his right asked the question.
I said to my husband, “well, he does have a point there and, like Ron Paul says, the less money certain people have, the better. Why not take his endorsement and his money so long as it comes free of any obligation to return the favor?”
So I don’t think it’s much of a problem. I did wish that, instead of saying, “but I’m not like some people,” he’d said something more honest. Like, “hey, I wanted the endorsement of a guy who could bring me some votes. It doesn’t matter to me which kooks vote for me, so long as they vote for me!”
I wouldn’t vote for John McCain if he paid me with a million dollars and my own private island staffed by monkey butlers.
Because black people are “scary” and if they question the actions of the United States government they are somehow “anti-American.”
Old white guys who are bigots are just “good Christians.”
The same way that an old white guy who likes guns is just a normal 2nd Amendment loving citizen. And if he shoots a scary dark intruder he is just protecting his property. But if a black guy, especially a high profile guy who is a target for criminals, carries a gun- he is a “thug.” And if he happens to shoot an intruder- he deserves to rot in jail for being a “‘violent criminal.”
Let me ask this. Why were there no people lambasting the catholic candidates when they were in the race for listening to chaste men who secretely (and mostly indirectly) supporting CHILD MOLESTATION. Lets not forget that the catholic church is run by a man who actively tried to hide the CHILD MOLESTATION accusations. If Dr. King said the same things that Wright said, would we think any less of him?? All Wright did was chastise our foreign policy in words that probably should have been chosen a bit more carefully. Lets not forget who is in the race–Obama, Clinton, and McCain, not Marine Veteran Reverend Jeramaih Wright, or Slick Willy, nor G. Gordon Liddy or John Hagee. No one is perfect. Everyone (including Hilary and John McCain) have skeletons in their closets.