Comments on: Update in Columbus http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:35:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: perlhaqr http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-100010 perlhaqr Sun, 04 May 2008 19:46:05 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-100010 Michael Channey said: <i>We need to open the entire system up to civil liability at every level - judge signs fraudulent warrant, finds himself explaining it in court.</i> To whom? Another judge? Michael Channey said: We need to open the entire system up to civil liability at every level - judge signs fraudulent warrant, finds himself explaining it in court.

To whom? Another judge?

]]> By: Matt Moore http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96605 Matt Moore Sat, 03 May 2008 02:28:48 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96605 I don't think any amount of hurt or dead cops will convince the militaristic types to stop busting down doors. They'll just see it as justification to ratchet up their equipment and tactics. Last time we busted down the door someone shot at us? Next time they'll go through window. Still got shot at? Use tear gas. Tear gas didn't work quite work? They'll bust through the wall with a tank. Tank is impractical? Set the house on fire and catch the baddies running out. I truly believe nothing will convince these people to go back to politely knocking on the door. I don’t think any amount of hurt or dead cops will convince the militaristic types to stop busting down doors. They’ll just see it as justification to ratchet up their equipment and tactics.

Last time we busted down the door someone shot at us? Next time they’ll go through window. Still got shot at? Use tear gas. Tear gas didn’t work quite work? They’ll bust through the wall with a tank. Tank is impractical? Set the house on fire and catch the baddies running out.

I truly believe nothing will convince these people to go back to politely knocking on the door.

]]> By: kishnevi http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96467 kishnevi Fri, 02 May 2008 23:19:30 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96467 FYI: http://cbs4.com/local/house.drugs.marijuana.2.714507.html This was given high visibility on the local news tonight, but strangely enough the print version on the website is substantially different from the video broadcast. Viewers saw approximately two minutes of reporter and Mr. Llorente describing the raid (in relatively dramatic fashion) and at the end a quick summation of what the raid were about--pretty much the reverse of the coverage given in the print version. FYI:
http://cbs4.com/local/house.drugs.marijuana.2.714507.html

This was given high visibility on the local news tonight, but strangely enough the print version on the website is substantially different from the video broadcast. Viewers saw approximately two minutes of reporter and Mr. Llorente describing the raid (in relatively dramatic fashion) and at the end a quick summation of what the raid were about–pretty much the reverse of the coverage given in the print version.

]]> By: Michael Chaney http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96413 Michael Chaney Fri, 02 May 2008 22:28:48 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96413 I have to agree with going after the judges. Obviously, there's absolutely no accountability and absolutely no reason that a judge wouldn't sign a warrant right now. We need to open the entire system up to civil liability at every level - judge signs fraudulent warrant, finds himself explaining it in court. The other side of this is that journalists need to be trained better in how to report these events. I keep seeing that the cops tried to bust the door down. Okay, why? I don't understand why they never seem to simply ask why the cops were there. Get a copy of the warrant, see what they were looking for. See if it matches what they found. And question the post-facto fishing expeditions. Was this about drugs or gambling? Or something else? I have to agree with going after the judges. Obviously, there’s absolutely no accountability and absolutely no reason that a judge wouldn’t sign a warrant right now. We need to open the entire system up to civil liability at every level - judge signs fraudulent warrant, finds himself explaining it in court.

The other side of this is that journalists need to be trained better in how to report these events. I keep seeing that the cops tried to bust the door down. Okay, why? I don’t understand why they never seem to simply ask why the cops were there. Get a copy of the warrant, see what they were looking for. See if it matches what they found.

And question the post-facto fishing expeditions. Was this about drugs or gambling? Or something else?

]]> By: Vlad Drac http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96301 Vlad Drac Fri, 02 May 2008 20:47:49 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96301 JCoke: Look into the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943. You always have a choice, even if it's "only" how to die. JCoke: Look into the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943.

You always have a choice, even if it’s “only” how to die.

]]> By: judge judy http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96273 judge judy Fri, 02 May 2008 20:29:58 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96273 When does it become fair game to look at the judges who are signing off on bullshit warrants assembled out of thin air? Aren't they supposed to question the police about the basis for their requested warrant? When does it become fair game to look at the judges who are signing off on bullshit warrants assembled out of thin air? Aren’t they supposed to question the police about the basis for their requested warrant?

]]> By: JCoke http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96263 JCoke Fri, 02 May 2008 20:22:21 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96263 I haven't studied the subject, but I don't really think the German Jews of that era had many choices except to leave. I agree with you for that reason, though I don't know where we will run to. As bad as the US is getting, I have not been able to find a place much better. New Zealand is my first choice, but it is only slightly ahead of the US. I haven’t studied the subject, but I don’t really think the German Jews of that era had many choices except to leave. I agree with you for that reason, though I don’t know where we will run to. As bad as the US is getting, I have not been able to find a place much better. New Zealand is my first choice, but it is only slightly ahead of the US.

]]> By: Frank http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96009 Frank Fri, 02 May 2008 17:52:56 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-96009 The day is going to come, sooner than we think, when our last option is to start treating maurading police in the same manner that the Jews should have dealt with the SS. The day is going to come, sooner than we think, when our last option is to start treating maurading police in the same manner that the Jews should have dealt with the SS.

]]> By: Jerry http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95905 Jerry Fri, 02 May 2008 16:49:32 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95905 Jim, Surely you jest. The Cops actually try and justify a raid, puh-lease. I'm surprised the other officers didn't shoot this guy full of holes. Jim,

Surely you jest. The Cops actually try and justify a raid, puh-lease. I’m surprised the other officers didn’t shoot this guy full of holes.

]]> By: Jim Collins http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95864 Jim Collins Fri, 02 May 2008 16:30:08 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95864 Drugs? Gambling? Which one is it? "Uhhhh give us some time, we'll find some reason to justify this raid." I always thought that the cops were supposed to have justification BEFORE they raided someone's house. Drugs? Gambling? Which one is it?

“Uhhhh give us some time, we’ll find some reason to justify this raid.”

I always thought that the cops were supposed to have justification BEFORE they raided someone’s house.

]]> By: akromper http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95827 akromper Fri, 02 May 2008 16:15:34 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95827 Tokin, they never will, it's them against us and they want to "shock and awe". The more things that get criminalized, the more criminals there are, the more voters get disenfranchised, the more people can't defend what they believe in. Connecting the dots? I wonder which religion will eventually win in America. Tokin, they never will, it’s them against us and they want to “shock and awe”.
The more things that get criminalized, the more criminals there are, the more voters get disenfranchised, the more people can’t defend what they believe in. Connecting the dots? I wonder which religion will eventually win in America.

]]> By: Tokin42 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95713 Tokin42 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:14:13 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95713 How long is it going to take before police depts realize these types of raids only end up endangering everyone involved. Another senseless shooting that could have been avoided. How long is it going to take before police depts realize these types of raids only end up endangering everyone involved. Another senseless shooting that could have been avoided.

]]> By: Marty http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95596 Marty Fri, 02 May 2008 14:10:00 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/05/02/update-in-columbus/#comment-95596 because he didn't actually kill the cop, this might be a great case to rally people around the dangers of these raids. it seems with ryan frederick and cory maye, many people couldn't get past the fact that cops were killed. because he didn’t actually kill the cop, this might be a great case to rally people around the dangers of these raids. it seems with ryan frederick and cory maye, many people couldn’t get past the fact that cops were killed.

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