Comments on: Debating CSPI http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:32:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Jim Collins http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88543 Jim Collins Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:23:49 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88543 Anybody care to guess what the total mortality rate is? 100% When are they going to admit that they don't have a clue? Anybody care to guess what the total mortality rate is? 100% When are they going to admit that they don’t have a clue?

]]> By: David http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88472 David Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:10:05 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88472 It's interesting the Retirement Living TV had you on to discuss this matter. I just saw a press release that the network has launched a new portal with lots of useful public health information and communities where (mostly older web surfers) can sound off about things like trans-fats, etc. Worth a look: www.freedomyears.com It’s interesting the Retirement Living TV had you on to discuss this matter. I just saw a press release that the network has launched a new portal with lots of useful public health information and communities where (mostly older web surfers) can sound off about things like trans-fats, etc. Worth a look: http://www.freedomyears.com

]]> By: Lloyd http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88293 Lloyd Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:58:31 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88293 The other laugh is that the big threat to the public's health in the 70's and 80's was supposed to be the 'tropical oils' (palm and coconut oil) that were used in packaged cookies, crackers, etc. Now that hydrogenated oils are verboten, guess what companies are quietly putting back into some of the foods that have the emblem "0 grams trans fat"? The other laugh is that the big threat to the public’s health in the 70′s and 80′s was supposed to be the ‘tropical oils’ (palm and coconut oil) that were used in packaged cookies, crackers, etc. Now that hydrogenated oils are verboten, guess what companies are quietly putting back into some of the foods that have the emblem “0 grams trans fat”?

]]> By: FWB http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88289 FWB Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:44:57 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88289 Actually, and please please don't get upset, birth begets death. Question: Does anyone here know what a "trans-fat" is? When an unsaturated fat is hydrogenated, two isomers are produced, the cis and the trans. Me, as a professor of chemistry, I stick with animal fats for much of my cooking, I do happen to be an animal. I will die someday because I was born. Maybe today, maybe tomorrow. Until then, I can worry myself to death or I can enjoy all the great things out there. Actually, and please please don’t get upset, birth begets death.

Question: Does anyone here know what a “trans-fat” is?

When an unsaturated fat is hydrogenated, two isomers are produced, the cis and the trans.

Me, as a professor of chemistry, I stick with animal fats for much of my cooking, I do happen to be an animal. I will die someday because I was born. Maybe today, maybe tomorrow. Until then, I can worry myself to death or I can enjoy all the great things out there.

]]> By: Against Stupidity http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88288 Against Stupidity Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:39:37 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88288 I don't believe anyone at the CSPI really knows what science is. It's just a fancy sounding word in there title. They frequently abuse statistics and wouldn't know scientific methodology if it bit them on the ass. They certainly don't the purpose of our constitution. I don’t believe anyone at the CSPI really knows what science is. It’s just a fancy sounding word in there title.

They frequently abuse statistics and wouldn’t know scientific methodology if it bit them on the ass. They certainly don’t the purpose of our constitution.

]]> By: Garrett J http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88244 Garrett J Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:31:48 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88244 Keep up all the good work. What you point out is perhaps the biggest practical problem of both government over-regulation and over-zealous interest groups. Our understanding of nutrition- like all science, is constantly evolving making it an inappropriate subject for sound bite worthy pronouncements. Even when they don't harness the force of law, these pressure groups do a disservice to everyone with their exaggerated claims. The purpose of science is the ever evolving understanding of the world around us- the purpose of groups like the Center For Science In the Authoritarian Interest is to scare people about what "Big Food" is selling. Keep up all the good work.

What you point out is perhaps the biggest practical problem of both government over-regulation and over-zealous interest groups. Our understanding of nutrition- like all science, is constantly evolving making it an inappropriate subject for sound bite worthy pronouncements. Even when they don’t harness the force of law, these pressure groups do a disservice to everyone with their exaggerated claims. The purpose of science is the ever evolving understanding of the world around us- the purpose of groups like the Center For Science In the Authoritarian Interest is to scare people about what “Big Food” is selling.

]]> By: Jerry http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88237 Jerry Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:41:03 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88237 CSPI - Can kiss my ass, as well as all those other Nannies. There is such a thing as quality of life versus quantity. CSPI – Can kiss my ass, as well as all those other Nannies. There is such a thing as quality of life versus quantity.

]]> By: David http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88234 David Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:28:42 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88234 <i>If these questions are all yes, then PH oils are at least partly to blame. It’s kind of what they do with tobacco, isn’t it?</i> Pretty much, and all these studies seem to start with a presumption of immortality that is jeopardized by use of whatever is being studied. It'd be more honest if the used "potential years lost" but that wouldn't be as dramatic. If I were more conspiracy-minded, I'd think what CSPI did with trans-fats was to deliberately create a "damned if you, damned if you don't" scenario with the end result being that people would stop eating (or serving) fast food and start living as the CSPI thinks they should. If these questions are all yes, then PH oils are at least partly to blame. It’s kind of what they do with tobacco, isn’t it?

Pretty much, and all these studies seem to start with a presumption of immortality that is jeopardized by use of whatever is being studied. It’d be more honest if the used “potential years lost” but that wouldn’t be as dramatic.

If I were more conspiracy-minded, I’d think what CSPI did with trans-fats was to deliberately create a “damned if you, damned if you don’t” scenario with the end result being that people would stop eating (or serving) fast food and start living as the CSPI thinks they should.

]]> By: Fred http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88232 Fred Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:19:42 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88232 But what about second hand transfat deaths? We need a $50 million government funded study STAT!!! But what about second hand transfat deaths? We need a $50 million government funded study STAT!!!

]]> By: Nando http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/comment-page-1/#comment-88228 Nando Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:54:21 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/21/debating-cspi/#comment-88228 Huh?!? Partially hydrogenated oils are responsible for 50,000 deaths per year? I'd really like to know where they get this number from. It probably goes something like this: A person dies. CSPI asks: 1. Was he overweight? 2. If he wasn't overweight, did he eat fast food at least once a month? 3. Did he die of natural causes? 4. Was the death related to the heart in any way (including strokes)? If these questions are all yes, then PH oils are at least partly to blame. It's kind of what they do with tobacco, isn't it? Huh?!? Partially hydrogenated oils are responsible for 50,000 deaths per year? I’d really like to know where they get this number from. It probably goes something like this:

A person dies.
CSPI asks:
1. Was he overweight?
2. If he wasn’t overweight, did he eat fast food at least once a month?
3. Did he die of natural causes?
4. Was the death related to the heart in any way (including strokes)?

If these questions are all yes, then PH oils are at least partly to blame. It’s kind of what they do with tobacco, isn’t it?

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