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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: We are all terrorists now</title>
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		<dc:creator>We are all terrorists now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this here, but it&#8217;s an important story for anyone who cares about their civil liberties. Radley Balko tells us about Operation Sudden Impact where hundreds of &#8220;federal, state, and local police in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Whose authority? &#171; Gee Whiz News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whose authority? &#171; Gee Whiz News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in over 100 cities around the country. Recently three states conducted massive sweeps. To quote: Radley Balko . . . tells us, &#8220;Last week, federal, state, and local police in Tennessee, Mississippi, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in over 100 cities around the country. Recently three states conducted massive sweeps. To quote: Radley Balko . . . tells us, &#8220;Last week, federal, state, and local police in Tennessee, Mississippi, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martial Law &#124; Comments from Left Field</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88960</link>
		<dc:creator>Martial Law &#124; Comments from Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Libby Spencer: Radley Balko tells us about Operation Sudden Impact where hundreds of &#8220;federal, state, and local police in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hairy Skepticals</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88783</link>
		<dc:creator>Hairy Skepticals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What we have found traditionally is that terrorists are involved in a number of lesser known type crimes,&quot; said Mark Luttrell, Shelby County sheriff.

Thanks Sheriff Mark! In the long tradition of active terrorist cells operating in Memphis, which &quot;lesser known type crimes&quot; most often point to terrorism? Were the 9/11 hijackers based out of Tennessee jaywalkers? Were the WTC bombers (Headquartered in Memphis of course) of the 90&#039;s involved in shoplifting? Mopary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What we have found traditionally is that terrorists are involved in a number of lesser known type crimes,&#8221; said Mark Luttrell, Shelby County sheriff.</p>
<p>Thanks Sheriff Mark! In the long tradition of active terrorist cells operating in Memphis, which &#8220;lesser known type crimes&#8221; most often point to terrorism? Were the 9/11 hijackers based out of Tennessee jaywalkers? Were the WTC bombers (Headquartered in Memphis of course) of the 90&#8242;s involved in shoplifting? Mopary?</p>
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		<title>By: Scooby</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88230</link>
		<dc:creator>Scooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asserting rights is &quot;mouthing off&quot;, when it comes from a &quot;civilian.&quot;

Now shut up and do what your told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asserting rights is &#8220;mouthing off&#8221;, when it comes from a &#8220;civilian.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now shut up and do what your told.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88217</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you have to mouth off to assert your rights.   Can&#039;t you be polite but firm at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you have to mouth off to assert your rights.   Can&#8217;t you be polite but firm at the same time?</p>
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		<title>By: Bronwyn</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88136</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read these things and wonder how I would handle it. Would I cower and obey every command with a, &quot;yes, officer&quot;? Or would I mouth off and assert my rights, thereby ensuring my own destruction regardless?

This is far more frightening to me than any tale of terrorists buying smidges of enriched uranium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read these things and wonder how I would handle it. Would I cower and obey every command with a, &#8220;yes, officer&#8221;? Or would I mouth off and assert my rights, thereby ensuring my own destruction regardless?</p>
<p>This is far more frightening to me than any tale of terrorists buying smidges of enriched uranium.</p>
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		<title>By: primus</title>
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		<dc:creator>primus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered how long it would take for Bushco to ramp up the fear factor.  I have had the suspicion for several years that there will not be an election this November; there will be an &quot;incident&quot; and the current administration will call a national emergency, delay then eliminate entirely the election, seize power and create a Fourth Reich.  This just looks like part of the ramp-up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered how long it would take for Bushco to ramp up the fear factor.  I have had the suspicion for several years that there will not be an election this November; there will be an &#8220;incident&#8221; and the current administration will call a national emergency, delay then eliminate entirely the election, seize power and create a Fourth Reich.  This just looks like part of the ramp-up</p>
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		<title>By: elbridge gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>elbridge gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus, I&#039;ve been googling around for more stories on this thing. Not one story explains whether the raids, and the related confiscation of business records to &quot;look for anything out of the unusual,&quot; involved warrants. Not one news source seriously questions the basis for these raids, or for the thousand-plus traffic stops conducted in a search for &quot;terrorists.&quot; This shit is beyond crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus, I&#8217;ve been googling around for more stories on this thing. Not one story explains whether the raids, and the related confiscation of business records to &#8220;look for anything out of the unusual,&#8221; involved warrants. Not one news source seriously questions the basis for these raids, or for the thousand-plus traffic stops conducted in a search for &#8220;terrorists.&#8221; This shit is beyond crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: elbridge gerry</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88087</link>
		<dc:creator>elbridge gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then there&#039;s this story:

http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A41348</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there&#8217;s this story:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A41348" rel="nofollow">http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A41348</a></p>
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		<title>By: elbridge gerry</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88084</link>
		<dc:creator>elbridge gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the third linked story:

The U.S. Coast Guard in Memphis was a part of Saturday&#039;s round-up, checking a boat on the river.

&quot;We look at everything, the safety of the tow boat in general. We also check out the crew members, just to make sure there is nobody hiding out on the tow boat, felons, criminals etc.,&quot; says Lt. Timothy Martin of the U.S. Coast Guard in Memphis.

-----

From the second linked story:

The FBI along with hundreds of officers said they are looking for anything out of the ordinary. Agents take computers and paperwork from businesses.

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Pathetic fishing expeditions, plain and simple. And all three reports just took the thing at face value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the third linked story:</p>
<p>The U.S. Coast Guard in Memphis was a part of Saturday&#8217;s round-up, checking a boat on the river.</p>
<p>&#8220;We look at everything, the safety of the tow boat in general. We also check out the crew members, just to make sure there is nobody hiding out on the tow boat, felons, criminals etc.,&#8221; says Lt. Timothy Martin of the U.S. Coast Guard in Memphis.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>From the second linked story:</p>
<p>The FBI along with hundreds of officers said they are looking for anything out of the ordinary. Agents take computers and paperwork from businesses.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Pathetic fishing expeditions, plain and simple. And all three reports just took the thing at face value.</p>
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		<title>By: j.d.</title>
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		<dc:creator>j.d.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to echo sheri&#039;s comments. When i first read that, I instantly thought that it was a test run for martial law. 

anyone else get that first impressoin before opening the comments? It smacks of the consuences of the Homegrown Terrorist Act. With people like Sean Hannity frivously and baselessly calling anyone and everyone a terrorist or terror-sympathizer or anti-american, it inclines one to think about the problems with such behavior, by both private and government entities.

This operation makes me wonder a few things though.
-how does issuing traffic tickets and &#039;looking&#039; for terrorists have any common ground? Either they were not looking for terrorists, they were looking for terrorists in a way that indicates they really have no f&#039;ing clue as to who or what lays outside of thier realm of domestic surveillance (ie, they&#039;re really in the dark: a bad thing), or this was a combined enforcement effort to train for some martial-law-esque scenario (which would give more credit to the name of the operation: Sudden Impact). 

thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to echo sheri&#8217;s comments. When i first read that, I instantly thought that it was a test run for martial law. </p>
<p>anyone else get that first impressoin before opening the comments? It smacks of the consuences of the Homegrown Terrorist Act. With people like Sean Hannity frivously and baselessly calling anyone and everyone a terrorist or terror-sympathizer or anti-american, it inclines one to think about the problems with such behavior, by both private and government entities.</p>
<p>This operation makes me wonder a few things though.<br />
-how does issuing traffic tickets and &#8216;looking&#8217; for terrorists have any common ground? Either they were not looking for terrorists, they were looking for terrorists in a way that indicates they really have no f&#8217;ing clue as to who or what lays outside of thier realm of domestic surveillance (ie, they&#8217;re really in the dark: a bad thing), or this was a combined enforcement effort to train for some martial-law-esque scenario (which would give more credit to the name of the operation: Sudden Impact). </p>
<p>thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds oddly familiar.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

I could go on but I think you get the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds oddly familiar.</p>
<p>He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.</p>
<p>He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.</p>
<p>He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.</p>
<p>For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:</p>
<p>For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:</p>
<p>For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:</p>
<p>I could go on but I think you get the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahcuah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahcuah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice not one of the stories mentions any warrants.

So what was the legal basis for the stops? (And, as others have noted, why didn&#039;t the reporters ask those questions instead of sycophanting?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice not one of the stories mentions any warrants.</p>
<p>So what was the legal basis for the stops? (And, as others have noted, why didn&#8217;t the reporters ask those questions instead of sycophanting?)</p>
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		<title>By: Packratt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88042</link>
		<dc:creator>Packratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry... I appear to be lost.

See, I thought I was in America... but, that can&#039;t be right with stories such as this.

So, if you could kindly point me in the direction of the America I grew up living in... I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry&#8230; I appear to be lost.</p>
<p>See, I thought I was in America&#8230; but, that can&#8217;t be right with stories such as this.</p>
<p>So, if you could kindly point me in the direction of the America I grew up living in&#8230; I would greatly appreciate it.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88038</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;What we have found traditionally is that terrorists are involved in a number of lesser known type crimes,&quot; said Mark Luttrell, Shelby County sheriff.&quot;

I&#039;d like to know how Sheriff Luttrell has enough experience with terrorists to be making statements like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;What we have found traditionally is that terrorists are involved in a number of lesser known type crimes,&#8221; said Mark Luttrell, Shelby County sheriff.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know how Sheriff Luttrell has enough experience with terrorists to be making statements like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those numbers seem a bit high for me to believe.</description>
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		<title>By: Burdell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: I&#039;ve not gotten to criminal procedure, yet, so this is just my opinion of what the law should be:

Seems to me that common sense would say that if the police were &quot;looking for terrorists,&quot; and they didn&#039;t find any, then the court should throw out all the other arrests.

Now, I know that&#039;s probably not how the law views it, but that would be the approach that&#039;s most respectful to the People.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: I&#8217;ve not gotten to criminal procedure, yet, so this is just my opinion of what the law should be:</p>
<p>Seems to me that common sense would say that if the police were &#8220;looking for terrorists,&#8221; and they didn&#8217;t find any, then the court should throw out all the other arrests.</p>
<p>Now, I know that&#8217;s probably not how the law views it, but that would be the approach that&#8217;s most respectful to the People.</p>
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		<title>By: Observant Bystander</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/20/crisis-feeds-leviathan/comment-page-1/#comment-88030</link>
		<dc:creator>Observant Bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three stories by local reporters and three stories that fail to ask any hard questions, e.g., how much was spent on what looks like a strained attempt to justify getting federal money. One of the stories did at least mention the federal money: &quot;the city is using federal grants to fight crime, which might lead to the discovery of a terrorist suspect.&quot; 

Pulling over cars on the off chance a terrorist may be driving sounds like a pretty inefficient way to find terrorists. But it&#039;s probably a very efficient way to get big checks from the federal government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three stories by local reporters and three stories that fail to ask any hard questions, e.g., how much was spent on what looks like a strained attempt to justify getting federal money. One of the stories did at least mention the federal money: &#8220;the city is using federal grants to fight crime, which might lead to the discovery of a terrorist suspect.&#8221; </p>
<p>Pulling over cars on the off chance a terrorist may be driving sounds like a pretty inefficient way to find terrorists. But it&#8217;s probably a very efficient way to get big checks from the federal government.</p>
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		<title>By: leTerrassier</title>
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		<dc:creator>leTerrassier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sound like a soviet operation. Have the police break into homes and businesses and arrest anyone for anything. All to put fear in the citizenry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sound like a soviet operation. Have the police break into homes and businesses and arrest anyone for anything. All to put fear in the citizenry.</p>
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