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	<title>Comments on: More Stupid School Administrators, Take&#8230;I&#8217;ve Lost Count</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: A1Prinicpal</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-291648</link>
		<dc:creator>A1Prinicpal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All students in our country are entitled to a free public education.  The &quot;problem&quot; is that each and every one of them has an equal right to that education.  The actions of one should not interfere or diminish the rights of others to that education.  And yes, it is substantially disruptive to hear a cell phone ring or vibrate during class and just plain rude to answer it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All students in our country are entitled to a free public education.  The &#8220;problem&#8221; is that each and every one of them has an equal right to that education.  The actions of one should not interfere or diminish the rights of others to that education.  And yes, it is substantially disruptive to hear a cell phone ring or vibrate during class and just plain rude to answer it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86971</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tde - Ok, I compared them. They&#039;re perfectly compatible viewpoints.

I let my kid take pencils to school. But if he stabbed another kid in the eye with one I&#039;d be a little pissed. See how that works?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tde &#8211; Ok, I compared them. They&#8217;re perfectly compatible viewpoints.</p>
<p>I let my kid take pencils to school. But if he stabbed another kid in the eye with one I&#8217;d be a little pissed. See how that works?</p>
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		<title>By: tde</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86936</link>
		<dc:creator>tde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>compare:  “it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that any parent should be able to call their kid with out having to ask permission of the school.”

with

&quot;As long as it doesn’t disrupt class (this kid didn’t) then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>compare:  “it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that any parent should be able to call their kid with out having to ask permission of the school.”</p>
<p>with</p>
<p>&#8220;As long as it doesn’t disrupt class (this kid didn’t) then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Against Stupidity</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86918</link>
		<dc:creator>Against Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Hannah was implying parents at least have a right to speak to their children whenever they feel it is necessary. School administrators are overruled by parental authority, period. Although many schools are trying to write rules to change that.

When the school discovered the child was speaking to a parent at the parents request, the matter should have been dropped except maybe for a lesson to the child on how he should properly handle such a situation.

If the parent becomes unreasonably disruptive with phone calls then the administrator should discuss this with the parent.

Common sense really isn&#039;t all that difficult for most people. Unfortunately, I think it is one thing that can&#039;t be taught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Hannah was implying parents at least have a right to speak to their children whenever they feel it is necessary. School administrators are overruled by parental authority, period. Although many schools are trying to write rules to change that.</p>
<p>When the school discovered the child was speaking to a parent at the parents request, the matter should have been dropped except maybe for a lesson to the child on how he should properly handle such a situation.</p>
<p>If the parent becomes unreasonably disruptive with phone calls then the administrator should discuss this with the parent.</p>
<p>Common sense really isn&#8217;t all that difficult for most people. Unfortunately, I think it is one thing that can&#8217;t be taught.</p>
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		<title>By: dave smith</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86916</link>
		<dc:creator>dave smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a very lax policy on cell phones in my (college) class.

I tell my students that they adults and if they get a call in class I will assume that it is very important. 

I&#039;ve never had a problem.  

Occasionaly a phone will ring and someone will slip out of the room.  Alomst invariably I get an email saying that a child was sick in daycare.  Once someone&#039;s wife went into labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a very lax policy on cell phones in my (college) class.</p>
<p>I tell my students that they adults and if they get a call in class I will assume that it is very important. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had a problem.  </p>
<p>Occasionaly a phone will ring and someone will slip out of the room.  Alomst invariably I get an email saying that a child was sick in daycare.  Once someone&#8217;s wife went into labor.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86915</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tde - It&#039;s not routine because his dad is half the world away, in a war-zone, with all the time-zone and weird schedule problems that would cause for phone calls.

&quot;Oh really? 

So children should be able to receive any call from their parents at any time while they are in school? 

What about calls from siblings? 

Calls from grandma and grandpa? 

Oh, and should children be able to call their parents at any time while they (the children) are in school? 

Is there a cut off at high school or do you think that college students should be able to receive calls from mom and dad at any time?&quot;

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 

If the parents are ok with the kid having a cellphone at school then why the fuck should we care what you think? Or what anyone thinks? As long as it doesn&#039;t disrupt class (this kid didn&#039;t) then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tde &#8211; It&#8217;s not routine because his dad is half the world away, in a war-zone, with all the time-zone and weird schedule problems that would cause for phone calls.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh really? </p>
<p>So children should be able to receive any call from their parents at any time while they are in school? </p>
<p>What about calls from siblings? </p>
<p>Calls from grandma and grandpa? </p>
<p>Oh, and should children be able to call their parents at any time while they (the children) are in school? </p>
<p>Is there a cut off at high school or do you think that college students should be able to receive calls from mom and dad at any time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. </p>
<p>If the parents are ok with the kid having a cellphone at school then why the fuck should we care what you think? Or what anyone thinks? As long as it doesn&#8217;t disrupt class (this kid didn&#8217;t) then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This principal needs a new job in a new location.  

Crib girl in an Istanbul brothel sounds about right.  Then she can be a real whore instead of an NEA whore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This principal needs a new job in a new location.  </p>
<p>Crib girl in an Istanbul brothel sounds about right.  Then she can be a real whore instead of an NEA whore.</p>
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		<title>By: tde</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86909</link>
		<dc:creator>tde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that any parent should be able to call their kid with out having to ask permission of the school.&quot;

Oh really?  So children should be able to receive any call from their parents at any time while they are in school?  What about calls from siblings?  Calls from grandma and grandpa?  I am just trying to figure out the limits of this rule.

Oh, and should children be able to call their parents at any time while they (the children) are in school?

Is there a cut off at high school or do you think that college students should be able to receive calls from mom and dad at any time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that any parent should be able to call their kid with out having to ask permission of the school.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh really?  So children should be able to receive any call from their parents at any time while they are in school?  What about calls from siblings?  Calls from grandma and grandpa?  I am just trying to figure out the limits of this rule.</p>
<p>Oh, and should children be able to call their parents at any time while they (the children) are in school?</p>
<p>Is there a cut off at high school or do you think that college students should be able to receive calls from mom and dad at any time?</p>
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		<title>By: tde</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86906</link>
		<dc:creator>tde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;tde - Somehow I doubt that any call from a soldier in Iraq is &#039;routine.&#039;&quot;

Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;tde &#8211; Somehow I doubt that any call from a soldier in Iraq is &#8216;routine.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86904</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, pierre, we know you&#039;re a luddite. Enjoy being annoyed while the rest of us play with all the neat new things that are invented in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, pierre, we know you&#8217;re a luddite. Enjoy being annoyed while the rest of us play with all the neat new things that are invented in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: pierre</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86886</link>
		<dc:creator>pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could care less about rules or laws, god knows I don&#039;t worry about either.

I just hate phones, dont think everybody needs to be walking around and talking on one, and I don&#039;t buy the BS argument that kids need them to be safe

His dad could send a letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could care less about rules or laws, god knows I don&#8217;t worry about either.</p>
<p>I just hate phones, dont think everybody needs to be walking around and talking on one, and I don&#8217;t buy the BS argument that kids need them to be safe</p>
<p>His dad could send a letter.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86875</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, you&#039;re &quot;the rules must be followed because... well... &lt;i&gt;they&#039;re the RULES&lt;/i&gt;&quot; attitude is disappointing. As has been documented on this blog, zero tolerance and rules-for-rules-sake attitudes have caused a lot of unnecessary pain lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, you&#8217;re &#8220;the rules must be followed because&#8230; well&#8230; <i>they&#8217;re the RULES</i>&#8221; attitude is disappointing. As has been documented on this blog, zero tolerance and rules-for-rules-sake attitudes have caused a lot of unnecessary pain lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86873</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tde - Somehow I doubt that any call from a soldier in Iraq is &quot;routine.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tde &#8211; Somehow I doubt that any call from a soldier in Iraq is &#8220;routine.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tde</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86864</link>
		<dc:creator>tde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Students are not allowed to have cell phones at the school.

Why does it matter that his father was in Iraq?  

This reflexive &quot;but his father is a soldier in Iraq&quot; exceptionalism  is silly.  There&#039;s no indication it was an emergency, just a routine call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Students are not allowed to have cell phones at the school.</p>
<p>Why does it matter that his father was in Iraq?  </p>
<p>This reflexive &#8220;but his father is a soldier in Iraq&#8221; exceptionalism  is silly.  There&#8217;s no indication it was an emergency, just a routine call.</p>
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		<title>By: Psion</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86858</link>
		<dc:creator>Psion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zeb, disregarding the grossly distorted version of Tom&#039;s statement you&#039;ve made, why do you think that teachers are the only way to get an education?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zeb, disregarding the grossly distorted version of Tom&#8217;s statement you&#8217;ve made, why do you think that teachers are the only way to get an education?</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

Some wag has been downvoting what would be considered &#039;normal&#039; or good responses on all the posts for the last day or so.  

To the anonymous wag, maybe you should find another blog to read the comments of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Some wag has been downvoting what would be considered &#8216;normal&#8217; or good responses on all the posts for the last day or so.  </p>
<p>To the anonymous wag, maybe you should find another blog to read the comments of.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86809</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who the hell is downvoting Nick and Hannah and upvoting Pierre the luddite? That doesn&#039;t make any sense to me at all, especially on a libertarian blog in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who the hell is downvoting Nick and Hannah and upvoting Pierre the luddite? That doesn&#8217;t make any sense to me at all, especially on a libertarian blog in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: dave smith</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86807</link>
		<dc:creator>dave smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vouchers are a possible solution.

The problem isn&#039;t that no one can think anymore, its that they don&#039;t have an incenitve to think.

Thinking is hard.  Thinking is risky.  Since there is no consequences for poor decisions, why should the school administrator think?

There can be no justice when any rules are followed without flexibility.  I understand the no cell phone rule, but there must be circumstances where that can be violated.  It was not his girlfriend or his drug dealer that was calling.  Or his buddy to discuss drinking plans or &quot;where you at.&quot;  It was his dad.  In Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vouchers are a possible solution.</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t that no one can think anymore, its that they don&#8217;t have an incenitve to think.</p>
<p>Thinking is hard.  Thinking is risky.  Since there is no consequences for poor decisions, why should the school administrator think?</p>
<p>There can be no justice when any rules are followed without flexibility.  I understand the no cell phone rule, but there must be circumstances where that can be violated.  It was not his girlfriend or his drug dealer that was calling.  Or his buddy to discuss drinking plans or &#8220;where you at.&#8221;  It was his dad.  In Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeb</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/15/more-stupid-school-administrators-takeive-lost-count/comment-page-1/#comment-86800</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Tom, why even bother with any education at all if teachers are so universally useless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Tom, why even bother with any education at all if teachers are so universally useless?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who can, do; those who can&#039;t, teach; those who can&#039;t teach are administrators.

This is one reason I am for vouchers. If a school does something you don&#039;t like, you have no economic recourse. You still have to pay property tax or whatever tax you pay to subsidize your local school. If you could have some way to remove that from them, then maybe they&#039;d listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who can, do; those who can&#8217;t, teach; those who can&#8217;t teach are administrators.</p>
<p>This is one reason I am for vouchers. If a school does something you don&#8217;t like, you have no economic recourse. You still have to pay property tax or whatever tax you pay to subsidize your local school. If you could have some way to remove that from them, then maybe they&#8217;d listen.</p>
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