Comments on: So About That Tree of Liberty… http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:04:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Peter Orvetti: What’s Next for Occupy DC? http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-2092238 Peter Orvetti: What’s Next for Occupy DC? Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:36:37 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-2092238 [...] a question Occupy needs to answer. In D.C., a city where a small band of intrepid libertarians once faced Park Police bellicosity just for dancing a bit at an otherwise-empty Jefferson Memorial in the [...] [...] a question Occupy needs to answer. In D.C., a city where a small band of intrepid libertarians once faced Park Police bellicosity just for dancing a bit at an otherwise-empty Jefferson Memorial in the [...]

]]> By: Sunday Reading « zunguzungu http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-1062933 Sunday Reading « zunguzungu Sun, 29 May 2011 17:07:29 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-1062933 [...] it happened a while ago, it seems a propos to turn from that to the figure of American police enforcing freedom by cracking [...] [...] it happened a while ago, it seems a propos to turn from that to the figure of American police enforcing freedom by cracking [...]

]]> By: Hmmm http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-687551 Hmmm Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:16:45 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-687551 You should call 911 if they dont give you their badge numbers tell them your friend is being kidnapped by a police impersonator. You should call 911 if they dont give you their badge numbers tell them your friend is being kidnapped by a police impersonator.

]]> By: No Dancing at the Jefferson Memorial | The Agitator http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-382703 No Dancing at the Jefferson Memorial | The Agitator Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:09:30 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-382703 [...] federal judge has thrown out Brooke Oberwetter’s lawsuit against the National Park Police, who arrested her in 2008 for quietly dancing at the Thomas Jefferson Memorial in Washington, [...] [...] federal judge has thrown out Brooke Oberwetter’s lawsuit against the National Park Police, who arrested her in 2008 for quietly dancing at the Thomas Jefferson Memorial in Washington, [...]

]]> By: OCing and that Harvard Professor.... - Page 3 - INGunOwners http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-328793 OCing and that Harvard Professor.... - Page 3 - INGunOwners Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:36:16 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-328793 [...] Oberwetter hesitated, stopping to ask one officer to explain what laws or rules they had violated. He arrested her, on the charge of "interfering with an agency function," a vague charge similar to Gates' alleged public disturbance. Oberwetter was never tried, though she [...] [...] Oberwetter hesitated, stopping to ask one officer to explain what laws or rules they had violated. He arrested her, on the charge of "interfering with an agency function," a vague charge similar to Gates’ alleged public disturbance. Oberwetter was never tried, though she [...]

]]> By: The Agitator » Blog Archive » Jefferson 1 Dancer Files Lawsuit http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-257167 The Agitator » Blog Archive » Jefferson 1 Dancer Files Lawsuit Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:37:01 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-257167 [...] Here’s my initial post on the incident last April. Here’s some cell phone video that loosely captures what happened. [...] [...] Here’s my initial post on the incident last April. Here’s some cell phone video that loosely captures what happened. [...]

]]> By: Frederic Wankarcheese http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-210914 Frederic Wankarcheese Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:50:16 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-210914 In ancient Egypt, there is record of the treatment of the bodies of young women that were set out to decompose for a few days before being delivered to embalmers. This practice originated from the need to discourage the men performing the funerary customs from having sexual interest in their charges. Herodotus writes[4] in The Histories that, to discourage intercourse with a corpse, Ancient Egyptians left deceased beautiful women to decay for "three or four days" before giving them to the embalmers.[5][6] In some societies the practice was enacted owing to a belief that the soul of an unmarried woman would not find peace; among the Kachin of Myanmar and the Nambudri of India, versions of a marriage ceremony were held to lay a dead virgin to rest, which would involve intercourse with the corpse. Similar practices obtained in some pre-modern Central European societies when a woman who was engaged to be married died before the wedding.[7] Guido Henckel von Donnersmarck (1830-1916) engaged in a form of thanatophilia following the death in 1884 of his first wife, the former courtesan Pauline Thérè se de Païva, better known as La Païva. Her naked body was immersed in alcohol in an isolated room of Henckel's castle at Neudeck in Silesia. Henckel visited her corpse regularly for a strange sort of contemplation. It is said that when, several years after their marriage, Henckel's second wife unexpectedly discovered the body of her predecessor, preserved in all its glory in a glass tank of alcohol, she suffered a mental breakdown. In ancient Egypt, there is record of the treatment of the bodies of young women that were set out to decompose for a few days before being delivered to embalmers. This practice originated from the need to discourage the men performing the funerary customs from having sexual interest in their charges. Herodotus writes[4] in The Histories that, to discourage intercourse with a corpse, Ancient Egyptians left deceased beautiful women to decay for “three or four days” before giving them to the embalmers.[5][6]

In some societies the practice was enacted owing to a belief that the soul of an unmarried woman would not find peace; among the Kachin of Myanmar and the Nambudri of India, versions of a marriage ceremony were held to lay a dead virgin to rest, which would involve intercourse with the corpse. Similar practices obtained in some pre-modern Central European societies when a woman who was engaged to be married died before the wedding.[7]

Guido Henckel von Donnersmarck (1830-1916) engaged in a form of thanatophilia following the death in 1884 of his first wife, the former courtesan Pauline Thérè se de Païva, better known as La Païva. Her naked body was immersed in alcohol in an isolated room of Henckel’s castle at Neudeck in Silesia. Henckel visited her corpse regularly for a strange sort of contemplation. It is said that when, several years after their marriage, Henckel’s second wife unexpectedly discovered the body of her predecessor, preserved in all its glory in a glass tank of alcohol, she suffered a mental breakdown.

]]> By: Scott http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-202781 Scott Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:30:47 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-202781 Whilst I don't condone excessive police force, you have to wonder about the sense of doing ANY crazy stuff at national monuments in the US given the high terrorism alertedness in that country these days. Whilst I don’t condone excessive police force, you have to wonder about the sense of doing ANY crazy stuff at national monuments in the US given the high terrorism alertedness in that country these days.

]]> By: ClintJCL http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-180117 ClintJCL Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:35:24 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-180117 So how do we, the readers, ultimately know how this case resolves? Any update links to post? So how do we, the readers, ultimately know how this case resolves? Any update links to post?

]]> By: GNUMD http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-147463 GNUMD Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:22:35 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-147463 I just got "processed" this past week to work at a VA medical center. Let me tell you, these authoritarian military types and joiners, don't like questions of authority. I said I didn't want to be fingerprinted and asked why and they got all riled up about it. Then basically said, well we won't force you, your welcome to leave and don't have to work here. So of course I permitted them to finger print me, I have nothing to hide. But this country is total bullshit and I have no respect for people who volunteer to help keep the authoritarians in power and get paid to do the dirty work. They aren't heros. Heros don't have to carry guns to fight for freedom (but should be allowed to) and ought to serve themselves and the rest of us for free and have and follow a creed that values personal liberty and supports the questioning of any infringement upon human freedom. Long live liberty and if anyone tries to take it away from even the least of us then may our mobs beat THEM down verbally and physically if we must! That is a right in the constitution and it is WHY we are supposed to be allowed to be armed. If all citizens were armed then bullshit like this would not happen ever. The government should always fear the people. I just got “processed” this past week to work at a VA medical center. Let me tell you, these authoritarian military types and joiners, don’t like questions of authority. I said I didn’t want to be fingerprinted and asked why and they got all riled up about it. Then basically said, well we won’t force you, your welcome to leave and don’t have to work here. So of course I permitted them to finger print me, I have nothing to hide. But this country is total bullshit and I have no respect for people who volunteer to help keep the authoritarians in power and get paid to do the dirty work. They aren’t heros. Heros don’t have to carry guns to fight for freedom (but should be allowed to) and ought to serve themselves and the rest of us for free and have and follow a creed that values personal liberty and supports the questioning of any infringement upon human freedom. Long live liberty and if anyone tries to take it away from even the least of us then may our mobs beat THEM down verbally and physically if we must! That is a right in the constitution and it is WHY we are supposed to be allowed to be armed. If all citizens were armed then bullshit like this would not happen ever. The government should always fear the people.

]]> By: ubidubi http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-147097 ubidubi Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:06:21 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-147097 Fucking cops. And what's this about not giving their badge numbers. I hate cops and their ilk. Actually, i really, really, hate paramedics. Do paramedics take a course in douchebaggery, or does the semi-profession/trade attract the douchebag? Fucking cops. And what’s this about not giving their badge numbers. I hate cops and their ilk. Actually, i really, really, hate paramedics. Do paramedics take a course in douchebaggery, or does the semi-profession/trade attract the douchebag?

]]> By: Ikonoklast http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-130254 Ikonoklast Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:37:49 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-130254 This rings a (dischordant) bell. In the summer of 1988, while living briefly with a girlfriend in the DC area, I committed the grievious offense of entering the Jefferson Memorial without a(gasp!) shirt. I was immediately confronted with a small-mustachioed little martinet -- some sort of ranger-hatted fascist fuck -- who ordered me to put my shirt back on. Rather than comply with this little shit (someone I could easily wipe the floor with if it weren't for his sidearm), I simply walked away from TJ's shrine. But, oh the fuckin' irony... Whatever happened to the BILL OF RIGHTS? This rings a (dischordant) bell. In the summer of 1988, while living briefly with a girlfriend in the DC area, I committed the grievious offense of entering the Jefferson Memorial without a(gasp!) shirt. I was immediately confronted with a small-mustachioed little martinet — some sort of ranger-hatted fascist fuck — who ordered me to put my shirt back on. Rather than comply with this little shit (someone I could easily wipe the floor with if it weren’t for his sidearm), I simply walked away from TJ’s shrine. But, oh the fuckin’ irony…

Whatever happened to the BILL OF RIGHTS?

]]> By: jomama http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-124529 jomama Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:22:20 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-124529 Heads up! Relatively small potatoes compared to this one: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/utah_rave_videos.html Heads up!

Relatively small potatoes compared to this one:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/utah_rave_videos.html

]]> By: PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Tales of Worthless Security Measures http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-110291 PoliBlog (TM): A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Tales of Worthless Security Measures Tue, 13 May 2008 19:46:00 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-110291 [...] Contenti.e., a German Sheppard who will, when ordered, rip your face off [↩]Like, I dunno, the Jefferson Memorial [↩]Or, worse, bullying people—which also happens. [↩] Previous Posts 86 Dead at [...] [...] Contenti.e., a German Sheppard who will, when ordered, rip your face off [↩]Like, I dunno, the Jefferson Memorial [↩]Or, worse, bullying people—which also happens. [↩] Previous Posts 86 Dead at [...]

]]> By: Law Quiz http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-102266 Law Quiz Mon, 05 May 2008 18:56:26 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-102266 I would have at least argued with as to why the innocent person was getting arrested I would have at least argued with as to why the innocent person was getting arrested

]]> By: eli drummer http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-90026 eli drummer Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:27:42 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-90026 welcome to orwell's amerika welcome to orwell’s amerika

]]> By: Nathan http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-4/#comment-89940 Nathan Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:26:12 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-89940 You probably already have this, but if you do decide to press charges I have the ACLU National Office phone number. (212) 549-2500 You probably already have this, but if you do decide to press charges I have the ACLU National Office phone number. (212) 549-2500

]]> By: K2 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-3/#comment-89005 K2 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:19:28 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-89005 SUE!!!!!!! Deprivation of Rights under Color of the Law.... It's a Federal offense punishable by up to 10 years. Citizens must learn to hold our Law Enforcement to enforce the law. If LE over steps their bounds, citizens have the right, and responsibility to hold them accountable. SUE!!!!!!! Deprivation of Rights under Color of the Law…. It’s a Federal offense punishable by up to 10 years.
Citizens must learn to hold our Law Enforcement to enforce the law. If LE over steps their bounds, citizens have the right, and responsibility to hold them accountable.

]]> By: Nathan http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-3/#comment-88608 Nathan Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:02:57 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-88608 I found an interesting story at http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/ Aparently you can’t celebrate the birth of one of the founding fathers by dancing at his memorial without getting dispersed by the National Park Police. Oh, and make sure you don’t ask why you’re not allowed to dance, or you might be arrested. Sickening. Thanks for the story Radley Balko I found an interesting story at
http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/

Aparently you can’t celebrate the birth of one of the founding fathers by dancing at his memorial without getting dispersed by the National Park Police. Oh, and make sure you don’t ask why you’re not allowed to dance, or you might be arrested.
Sickening.
Thanks for the story Radley Balko

]]> By: AC http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/comment-page-3/#comment-88475 AC Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:13:04 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/13/so-about-that-tree-of-liberty/#comment-88475 I just got back from dc - it was the first time I'd ever been there. Something strange about that city. It seemed oddly clean and devoid of bums and stuff. When I visited the Jefferson Memorial, a bunch of frightening park police threw us out very forcefully because some sort of ceremony was going to take place below. It was... unnerving. The whole city was eerie, if you ask me. I just got back from dc – it was the first time I’d ever been there. Something strange about that city. It seemed oddly clean and devoid of bums and stuff. When I visited the Jefferson Memorial, a bunch of frightening park police threw us out very forcefully because some sort of ceremony was going to take place below. It was… unnerving. The whole city was eerie, if you ask me.

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