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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Jimi G</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-85226</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimi G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;OK, how about the most reviled people in America who exist in any significant numbers then?&quot;

Exactly my point.  To me, 1 is a significant number -- the only significant number.  The individual is the only objective referent.  People is an infinite entity, undefined and therefore meaningless.  That is the master illusion that the State achieves, the rendering of the individual meaningless and the substitution of the infinite entity &quot;people.&quot; 

&quot;I disagree. To the “average” American, someone who is an anarchist is viewed as a kook, not an object of hate. I’d say, on average, Republicans hate Democrats and Democrats hate Republicans far more than either hate anarchists.&quot;

Again, what is an &quot;average American?&quot;  There is no such thing.  There are only individuals who live within the geopolitical boundary &quot;America.&quot;  Ask an individual his opinion of anarchists and you will receive a different subjective opinion for each one.  Categorization serves to eliminate differences, and therefore eliminate meaning.  As for being &quot;hated&quot; less than the idiots who choose one wing of the same bird of prey over the other hate each other, it&#039;s only because anarchists are powerless against the overwhelming brainwashing that most individuals exist under.  Review history and find that some of the most hated individuals actually have been anarchists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OK, how about the most reviled people in America who exist in any significant numbers then?&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly my point.  To me, 1 is a significant number &#8212; the only significant number.  The individual is the only objective referent.  People is an infinite entity, undefined and therefore meaningless.  That is the master illusion that the State achieves, the rendering of the individual meaningless and the substitution of the infinite entity &#8220;people.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;I disagree. To the “average” American, someone who is an anarchist is viewed as a kook, not an object of hate. I’d say, on average, Republicans hate Democrats and Democrats hate Republicans far more than either hate anarchists.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, what is an &#8220;average American?&#8221;  There is no such thing.  There are only individuals who live within the geopolitical boundary &#8220;America.&#8221;  Ask an individual his opinion of anarchists and you will receive a different subjective opinion for each one.  Categorization serves to eliminate differences, and therefore eliminate meaning.  As for being &#8220;hated&#8221; less than the idiots who choose one wing of the same bird of prey over the other hate each other, it&#8217;s only because anarchists are powerless against the overwhelming brainwashing that most individuals exist under.  Review history and find that some of the most hated individuals actually have been anarchists.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-85183</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.</description>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-85137</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The most reviled person in America is not the atheist, it is the anarchist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I disagree.  To the &quot;average&quot; American, someone who is an anarchist is viewed as a kook, not an object of hate.  I&#039;d say, on average, Republicans hate Democrats and Democrats hate Republicans far more than either hate anarchists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The most reviled person in America is not the atheist, it is the anarchist.</p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree.  To the &#8220;average&#8221; American, someone who is an anarchist is viewed as a kook, not an object of hate.  I&#8217;d say, on average, Republicans hate Democrats and Democrats hate Republicans far more than either hate anarchists.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hummels</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-85099</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hummels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thinking Nando.  I will be e-mailing the high priestess of the IL General Assembly shortly.  I&#039;ll be doing all I can locally to make sure this episode is not pushed under the rug.  As an Illinois atheist, I thank you all in advance for your support. And Radley, thanks for reporting on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thinking Nando.  I will be e-mailing the high priestess of the IL General Assembly shortly.  I&#8217;ll be doing all I can locally to make sure this episode is not pushed under the rug.  As an Illinois atheist, I thank you all in advance for your support. And Radley, thanks for reporting on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-85068</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, how about the most reviled people in America who exist in any significant numbers then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, how about the most reviled people in America who exist in any significant numbers then?</p>
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		<title>By: Jimi G</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-85018</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimi G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most reviled person in America is not the atheist, it is the anarchist.  Or, that rare daily-double if you will, the atheist-anarchist.

For, you see, though some are willing stick their necks out to expose the illusion of religion, there are only perhaps one in ten of those who progress to challenging the illusion of the State, which is far more deeply entrenched in the mind of the individual than religion.

There is no separation of religion and State anywhere, the two concepts are actually one.  Each is founded on the same false principles of non-differentiation, infinite &quot;entities&quot; and denial of objective reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most reviled person in America is not the atheist, it is the anarchist.  Or, that rare daily-double if you will, the atheist-anarchist.</p>
<p>For, you see, though some are willing stick their necks out to expose the illusion of religion, there are only perhaps one in ten of those who progress to challenging the illusion of the State, which is far more deeply entrenched in the mind of the individual than religion.</p>
<p>There is no separation of religion and State anywhere, the two concepts are actually one.  Each is founded on the same false principles of non-differentiation, infinite &#8220;entities&#8221; and denial of objective reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Not That David</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84973</link>
		<dc:creator>Not That David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan uses &quot;Christianist,&quot; which fits well enough. They&#039;re not concerned with the teachings of the church, just yelling about how great their team is and how everybody else is evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan uses &#8220;Christianist,&#8221; which fits well enough. They&#8217;re not concerned with the teachings of the church, just yelling about how great their team is and how everybody else is evil.</p>
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		<title>By: wade</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84959</link>
		<dc:creator>wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dicks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dicks?</p>
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		<title>By: Zeb</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84926</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is a good equivalent to the word &quot;Islamist&quot;, but for Christian nuts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a good equivalent to the word &#8220;Islamist&#8221;, but for Christian nuts?</p>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84922</link>
		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if other people like the religious zealot Rep. Davis recognize the irony that this is the same sort of garbage spewed by radical muslims...

My contention has always been that the only REAL difference between the majority of our intolerent christian population and islamic radicals is very small in reality.  Their views of those who don&#039;t believe as they do is EXACTLY the same...good company to keep folks.  That&#039;s right...indoctrinate your children early (just like the islamic radicals), give them no other alternatives to ponder or consider.  Raise them to hate and distrust anyone who isn&#039;t the RIGHT brand of their religion...and your on your way.  

What is REALLY said with  the statement, “It’s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!”   -  What Davis REALLY means is that, &quot;Our religious beliefs are founded on such a fragile series of beliefs and flimsy evidence that any opposing view is dangerous because our and our children&#039;s faith isn&#039;t strong enough to survive an alternative point of view and a lifetime of indoctrination to overcome hearing 60 seconds of someone who thinks its all bullshit.&quot;

Rep. Davis and anyone who agrees with her is an idiot to the nth degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if other people like the religious zealot Rep. Davis recognize the irony that this is the same sort of garbage spewed by radical muslims&#8230;</p>
<p>My contention has always been that the only REAL difference between the majority of our intolerent christian population and islamic radicals is very small in reality.  Their views of those who don&#8217;t believe as they do is EXACTLY the same&#8230;good company to keep folks.  That&#8217;s right&#8230;indoctrinate your children early (just like the islamic radicals), give them no other alternatives to ponder or consider.  Raise them to hate and distrust anyone who isn&#8217;t the RIGHT brand of their religion&#8230;and your on your way.  </p>
<p>What is REALLY said with  the statement, “It’s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!”   &#8211;  What Davis REALLY means is that, &#8220;Our religious beliefs are founded on such a fragile series of beliefs and flimsy evidence that any opposing view is dangerous because our and our children&#8217;s faith isn&#8217;t strong enough to survive an alternative point of view and a lifetime of indoctrination to overcome hearing 60 seconds of someone who thinks its all bullshit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rep. Davis and anyone who agrees with her is an idiot to the nth degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Nando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about you guys, but I plan on emailing her my thoughts.  I did a quick Google search and found her email on the first link I clicked in (mdavis2147@aol.com).  I urge you to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about you guys, but I plan on emailing her my thoughts.  I did a quick Google search and found her email on the first link I clicked in (mdavis2147@aol.com).  I urge you to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a believer, I am more saddened by Rep. Davis&#039;s antics the more I read.  First there is the sheer obnoxiousness of shouting down someone who believes differently than she does, and the fear she has of those different beliefs.  It seems to me that one must not have much faith if they fear young people learning about other belief systems. 

Even worse, apparently the original topic of discussion was a one million dollar grant that was &quot;promised&quot; to a Baptist church, for the purpose of rebuilding after a fire, which ended up going to a school instead.  What would Jesus do?  Probably not petition the Roman government to fund his ministry.  It&#039;s a pretty small God whose will can be thwarted by a bureaucratic snafu, and who depends on taxpayer support to sustain his flock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a believer, I am more saddened by Rep. Davis&#8217;s antics the more I read.  First there is the sheer obnoxiousness of shouting down someone who believes differently than she does, and the fear she has of those different beliefs.  It seems to me that one must not have much faith if they fear young people learning about other belief systems. </p>
<p>Even worse, apparently the original topic of discussion was a one million dollar grant that was &#8220;promised&#8221; to a Baptist church, for the purpose of rebuilding after a fire, which ended up going to a school instead.  What would Jesus do?  Probably not petition the Roman government to fund his ministry.  It&#8217;s a pretty small God whose will can be thwarted by a bureaucratic snafu, and who depends on taxpayer support to sustain his flock.</p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Atheists Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84896</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle Atheists Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;You have no right to be here!...&lt;/strong&gt;

&#8220;It&#8217;s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!&#8221;

......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>You have no right to be here!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you change your opinion of Davis if you knew that she&#039;s in Rev. Wright&#039;s flock?  Because it&#039;s not bigotry or ignorance or outright stupidity in Southside Chicage, it&#039;s the remnance of slavery and the drug war, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you change your opinion of Davis if you knew that she&#8217;s in Rev. Wright&#8217;s flock?  Because it&#8217;s not bigotry or ignorance or outright stupidity in Southside Chicage, it&#8217;s the remnance of slavery and the drug war, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hummels</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84888</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hummels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings from Central Illinois all!   I am one of those &quot;rare&quot; Illinois atheists. If we are to believe Zeb, I have at least two &quot;co-religionists&quot; in my home state. Thank Jebus, I felt sooo alone.  Actually, if Rep. Davis had attended the state ACLU conference here in Peoria on Saturday, she probably would have encountered a few more atheists.  But what would a phony populist like her know about civil liberties? Robert Ingersoll played right here in Peoria (sorry, I had to say it) for at least twenty years, and a statue of the colonel still stands in Glen Oak Park.  I for one am quite proud that my hometown is connected to &quot;the great agnostic.&quot;  But none of this info matters to Monique Davis.  According to her, there is no place in IL for my kind.  The state government should not have to recognize my rights or serve me because I dare to ask for evidence.  Davis would probably love to silence freethinkers like me for the sake of the children.  Hey Monique, kiss my non-believing ass and retire, or at least stay up in DA CITY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings from Central Illinois all!   I am one of those &#8220;rare&#8221; Illinois atheists. If we are to believe Zeb, I have at least two &#8220;co-religionists&#8221; in my home state. Thank Jebus, I felt sooo alone.  Actually, if Rep. Davis had attended the state ACLU conference here in Peoria on Saturday, she probably would have encountered a few more atheists.  But what would a phony populist like her know about civil liberties? Robert Ingersoll played right here in Peoria (sorry, I had to say it) for at least twenty years, and a statue of the colonel still stands in Glen Oak Park.  I for one am quite proud that my hometown is connected to &#8220;the great agnostic.&#8221;  But none of this info matters to Monique Davis.  According to her, there is no place in IL for my kind.  The state government should not have to recognize my rights or serve me because I dare to ask for evidence.  Davis would probably love to silence freethinkers like me for the sake of the children.  Hey Monique, kiss my non-believing ass and retire, or at least stay up in DA CITY!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84885</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.&quot; I said it once before, but obviously it bears repeating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.&#8221; I said it once before, but obviously it bears repeating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lippard</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84884</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lippard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Land of Lincoln is not only the state of the U.S. president whose views were closest to atheism (Lincoln), but where the Great Agnostic, Robert Ingersoll, was state attorney general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Land of Lincoln is not only the state of the U.S. president whose views were closest to atheism (Lincoln), but where the Great Agnostic, Robert Ingersoll, was state attorney general.</p>
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		<title>By: Reddogcc</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84883</link>
		<dc:creator>Reddogcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...that rant of hers sure sounds like hate speech to me.  

It also sounds like a clear admission that she cannot possibly uphold that constitution quoted above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;that rant of hers sure sounds like hate speech to me.  </p>
<p>It also sounds like a clear admission that she cannot possibly uphold that constitution quoted above.</p>
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		<title>By: Burdell</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84880</link>
		<dc:creator>Burdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, nicole.

So what we really have here, is nothing new.  When groups fight over handouts, ad hominem attacks are almost a sure thing.  

Have Baptists in Illinois really gotten so pitiful they&#039;re begging the government for a handout?  When Jesus said &quot;ask,&quot; I don&#039;t think he meant &quot;ask the state government.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, nicole.</p>
<p>So what we really have here, is nothing new.  When groups fight over handouts, ad hominem attacks are almost a sure thing.  </p>
<p>Have Baptists in Illinois really gotten so pitiful they&#8217;re begging the government for a handout?  When Jesus said &#8220;ask,&#8221; I don&#8217;t think he meant &#8220;ask the state government.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Idea Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/04/07/quotable-14/comment-page-1/#comment-84878</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bad Idea Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bigoted Illinois Representative Blows Up at Separation of Church and&#160;State...&lt;/strong&gt;

You may remember atheist activist Rob Sherman from the Illinois moment of silence controversy I blogged about way back when.  Fresh from victory on that score, Sherman has most recently been challenging some shady grants to a church and school by the s...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bigoted Illinois Representative Blows Up at Separation of Church and&nbsp;State&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>You may remember atheist activist Rob Sherman from the Illinois moment of silence controversy I blogged about way back when.  Fresh from victory on that score, Sherman has most recently been challenging some shady grants to a church and school by the s&#8230;</p>
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