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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: JJH2</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81316</link>
		<dc:creator>JJH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:

Seriously, WTF are you talking about? I used documentary evidence (a video), and an article from The Wall Street Journal to debunk Powerline's disingenuous narrative of the events. Claiming that I'm swallowing lies, absent the provision of evidence, is not an argument. Neither are bizarre claims about my unwillingness or inability to use search engines (how else would I have located the video? The Wall Street Journal article?) or irrelevant (at least in response to me) digressions about your position on global warming (of which I have expressed no position myself). 

Please try harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>Seriously, WTF are you talking about? I used documentary evidence (a video), and an article from The Wall Street Journal to debunk Powerline&#8217;s disingenuous narrative of the events. Claiming that I&#8217;m swallowing lies, absent the provision of evidence, is not an argument. Neither are bizarre claims about my unwillingness or inability to use search engines (how else would I have located the video? The Wall Street Journal article?) or irrelevant (at least in response to me) digressions about your position on global warming (of which I have expressed no position myself). </p>
<p>Please try harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Scooby</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81197</link>
		<dc:creator>Scooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

You have a meteorology background (not backed by federal grants, natch), but do not understand the difference between weather modeling and climate modeling?  Does that meteorology background include studies at Bob Jones U.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>You have a meteorology background (not backed by federal grants, natch), but do not understand the difference between weather modeling and climate modeling?  Does that meteorology background include studies at Bob Jones U.?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81166</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What he ^^^ said.</description>
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		<title>By: Max Deployment</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81153</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Deployment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that people will swallow all these GW doom-and-gloom predictions a hundred years out, yet we still can't get an accurate prediction of the local weather two days from now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that people will swallow all these GW doom-and-gloom predictions a hundred years out, yet we still can&#8217;t get an accurate prediction of the local weather two days from now?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81111</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And JJH2?

Search-engines are at your disposal. I am not obligated to exhaustively provide your remedial education. Name-dropping key-words is more than sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And JJH2?</p>
<p>Search-engines are at your disposal. I am not obligated to exhaustively provide your remedial education. Name-dropping key-words is more than sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81110</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now why am I not all surprised to discover that JJH2 will swallow and regurgitate every lie the left has to offer?

(I knew anthropogenic global-warming theory was complete bullshit back in the early '80s, even before Carl Sagan &#38; idiots assorted were lying there asses off about "nuclear winter" in the pages of Scientific American. Why? Because one of the many things about me which you do not know is that I have a meteorology background not tied to federal grants.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now why am I not all surprised to discover that JJH2 will swallow and regurgitate every lie the left has to offer?</p>
<p>(I knew anthropogenic global-warming theory was complete bullshit back in the early &#8217;80s, even before Carl Sagan &amp; idiots assorted were lying there asses off about &#8220;nuclear winter&#8221; in the pages of Scientific American. Why? Because one of the many things about me which you do not know is that I have a meteorology background not tied to federal grants.)</p>
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		<title>By: JJH2</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81104</link>
		<dc:creator>JJH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:

I'm sure that some day, when challenged directly on the substance of your posts, you will respond in kind, directly addressing the substance of the response. Alas - that day is not today. I am left with but the cold comfort of the knowledge that you just ain't foolin' anybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that some day, when challenged directly on the substance of your posts, you will respond in kind, directly addressing the substance of the response. Alas - that day is not today. I am left with but the cold comfort of the knowledge that you just ain&#8217;t foolin&#8217; anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81099</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's right: down-tick the facts posted to a blog which deflate your fantasies, and pretend you made it go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right: down-tick the facts posted to a blog which deflate your fantasies, and pretend you made it go away.</p>
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		<title>By: JJH2</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81098</link>
		<dc:creator>JJH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew! Mike Schneider never has a moment's respite from his never-ending battle against Ze Liberal Media Bias (dun DUN)! 

The only problem? Powerline's supposed debunking of the situation is an obfuscatory half-truth. Here's the link to the CBS news video of McCain's speech. http://tinyurl.com/2zlj5e  Notice how, instead of "correct[ing] himself almost immediately" after making the mistake, McCain continues blithely along until, after the time-wipe and at the end of the press conference, Lieberman corrects him. You have to give him credit, though, he corrected himself almost immediately... after being corrected by someone else, some time later. 

What really makes the story a misleading half-truth is that is leaves out that McCain "made similar comments earlier on a radio program, though he did not correct those." Which, of course, establishes a pattern of misidentification. Of course, I did get that last tidbit from that Liberal Media stronghold -- the Wall Street Journal. http://tinyurl.com/yso9d4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew! Mike Schneider never has a moment&#8217;s respite from his never-ending battle against Ze Liberal Media Bias (dun DUN)! </p>
<p>The only problem? Powerline&#8217;s supposed debunking of the situation is an obfuscatory half-truth. Here&#8217;s the link to the CBS news video of McCain&#8217;s speech. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2zlj5e" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2zlj5e</a>  Notice how, instead of &#8220;correct[ing] himself almost immediately&#8221; after making the mistake, McCain continues blithely along until, after the time-wipe and at the end of the press conference, Lieberman corrects him. You have to give him credit, though, he corrected himself almost immediately&#8230; after being corrected by someone else, some time later. </p>
<p>What really makes the story a misleading half-truth is that is leaves out that McCain &#8220;made similar comments earlier on a radio program, though he did not correct those.&#8221; Which, of course, establishes a pattern of misidentification. Of course, I did get that last tidbit from that Liberal Media stronghold &#8212; the Wall Street Journal. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yso9d4" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yso9d4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81086</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's how &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/03/020073.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;reading Powerline&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; would have prevented the Agitator from being led around by a ring in his nose by those lying POS SOBs over at The New York Times (who are still polishing that Duranty Pulitzer):

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Who's Ignorant?&lt;/b&gt; (March 18, 2008)&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;One of today's minor news stories is a kerfuffle over a supposed "gaffe" by John McCain. McCain, talking about Iraq in Amman, Jordan, said:&lt;/i&gt;

   "Well, it’s common knowledge and has been reported in the
    media that Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving
    training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran. That’s well
    known. And it’s unfortunate."

&lt;i&gt;He corrected himself almost immediately, saying &lt;/i&gt;"I’m sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not Al Qaeda."&lt;i&gt; And it sounds as though he did, in fact, simply misspeak. What is more significant is how the Democrats and the mainstream media reacted to this non-event. They condemned McCain for ostensibly failing to understand that Iran couldn't possibly train al Qaeda terrorists, since al Qaeda is a Sunni organization and Iran is a Shia country. This is what passes for sophistication in the lamest precincts of the media.&lt;/i&gt;

-- That was *yesterday*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s how <b><a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/03/020073.php" rel="nofollow">reading Powerline</a></b> would have prevented the Agitator from being led around by a ring in his nose by those lying POS SOBs over at The New York Times (who are still polishing that Duranty Pulitzer):</p>
<p><i><b>Who&#8217;s Ignorant?</b> (March 18, 2008)</i></p>
<p><i>One of today&#8217;s minor news stories is a kerfuffle over a supposed &#8220;gaffe&#8221; by John McCain. McCain, talking about Iraq in Amman, Jordan, said:</i></p>
<p>   &#8220;Well, it’s common knowledge and has been reported in the<br />
    media that Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving<br />
    training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran. That’s well<br />
    known. And it’s unfortunate.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>He corrected himself almost immediately, saying </i>&#8220;I’m sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not Al Qaeda.&#8221;<i> And it sounds as though he did, in fact, simply misspeak. What is more significant is how the Democrats and the mainstream media reacted to this non-event. They condemned McCain for ostensibly failing to understand that Iran couldn&#8217;t possibly train al Qaeda terrorists, since al Qaeda is a Sunni organization and Iran is a Shia country. This is what passes for sophistication in the lamest precincts of the media.</i></p>
<p>&#8211; That was *yesterday*.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81081</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthropegenic (man-caused) Global Warming Theory is 100% bullshit which requires doctored temperature charts to remove the &lt;i&gt;warmer&lt;/i&gt; "Medieval Warm Period" from the record.

-- It's a twisted, unholy union of corrupt academic grant-mongers and Marxist international shakers seeking to economically hamstring the West by bamboozling them into swallowing the carbon-reductions of Kyoto, and pass sixty-five billion new laws regulating every aspect of your indoor and outdoor behavior.

Meanwhile, back in reality, 2007 was the coldest year in the last 50, and in just that one year wiped all the temperature gains of the 1990s. (Why? Well, the sun was roarin' with spots and cooking the planet with extra UV-radiation in the '90s, but is now at the bottom of its 22-year cycle with virtually no spots, and overdue for the shift back upward.)

For an refresher course in pure Stalinist bile and denial, ask a pro-warming professor &lt;a href="http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/blogphotos/07/759-al-gore-fire.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;or politician&lt;/a&gt; about all those other scientists' (ranging from The Weather Channel founder to Dr. William Gray the hurricane specialist, and dozens of other climatologists) objections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthropegenic (man-caused) Global Warming Theory is 100% bullshit which requires doctored temperature charts to remove the <i>warmer</i> &#8220;Medieval Warm Period&#8221; from the record.</p>
<p>&#8211; It&#8217;s a twisted, unholy union of corrupt academic grant-mongers and Marxist international shakers seeking to economically hamstring the West by bamboozling them into swallowing the carbon-reductions of Kyoto, and pass sixty-five billion new laws regulating every aspect of your indoor and outdoor behavior.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, back in reality, 2007 was the coldest year in the last 50, and in just that one year wiped all the temperature gains of the 1990s. (Why? Well, the sun was roarin&#8217; with spots and cooking the planet with extra UV-radiation in the &#8217;90s, but is now at the bottom of its 22-year cycle with virtually no spots, and overdue for the shift back upward.)</p>
<p>For an refresher course in pure Stalinist bile and denial, ask a pro-warming professor <a href="http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/blogphotos/07/759-al-gore-fire.jpg" rel="nofollow">or politician</a> about all those other scientists&#8217; (ranging from The Weather Channel founder to Dr. William Gray the hurricane specialist, and dozens of other climatologists) objections.</p>
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		<title>By: Against Stupidity</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81064</link>
		<dc:creator>Against Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually we don't know if we are currently experiencing Global warming. All we do know is that the climate changes from time to time. Sometimes it gets warmer, sometimes it gets cooler. Personally, all things considered, I prefer warmer. This NPR article has some nice misrepresentations, mistakes, misstatements, which might be ignorance or hoping the reader is ignorant.

Josh Willis Ph.D. - &lt;blockquote&gt;water is apparently coming from a recent increase in the melting rate of glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Is it really apparent Josh? Apparently Dr. Willis doesn't know that temperatures in Antarctica only get above freezing in a few areas near the edge of the Antarctic circle, so ice doesn't generally melt there... ever. Glaciers in the Antarctic flow into the ocean, they don't melt, and their speed rarely changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually we don&#8217;t know if we are currently experiencing Global warming. All we do know is that the climate changes from time to time. Sometimes it gets warmer, sometimes it gets cooler. Personally, all things considered, I prefer warmer. This NPR article has some nice misrepresentations, mistakes, misstatements, which might be ignorance or hoping the reader is ignorant.</p>
<p>Josh Willis Ph.D. -<br />
<blockquote>water is apparently coming from a recent increase in the melting rate of glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is it really apparent Josh? Apparently Dr. Willis doesn&#8217;t know that temperatures in Antarctica only get above freezing in a few areas near the edge of the Antarctic circle, so ice doesn&#8217;t generally melt there&#8230; ever. Glaciers in the Antarctic flow into the ocean, they don&#8217;t melt, and their speed rarely changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikestermike</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81058</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikestermike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. We have global warming. Ever since the last ice-age. Remember, all those hills and such around your town were caused by freakishly large glaciers. Where are the glaciers? 

It is fun to note that we only have reliable &#38; accurate data since WWII. Before then, we had surface measurements for a hundred years prior (via mercury thermometers) Before that, who knows? 

The data is incomplete. Science &lt;i&gt;estimates&lt;/i&gt; what temperatures were and such from indirect measurement and from calculated guesses. Unfortunately, thats all they are: guesses. And science has repeadetly been wrong before.

Has there been large swings of temperature in the past? Yes. Are we most likely on an uptick? Probably. Like the economy, you only will know what is going on years after the fact. In geological terms, it may be centuries.

 Climatologists and their ilk will argue against these points, but all-in-all it only is logical. A 4 billion year old planet's temperatures will fluctuate. We are looking at one miniscule fraction of a miniscule fraction of a percent. You just can't trend a sample set that small, folks. &lt;i&gt;You can't&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. We have global warming. Ever since the last ice-age. Remember, all those hills and such around your town were caused by freakishly large glaciers. Where are the glaciers? </p>
<p>It is fun to note that we only have reliable &amp; accurate data since WWII. Before then, we had surface measurements for a hundred years prior (via mercury thermometers) Before that, who knows? </p>
<p>The data is incomplete. Science <i>estimates</i> what temperatures were and such from indirect measurement and from calculated guesses. Unfortunately, thats all they are: guesses. And science has repeadetly been wrong before.</p>
<p>Has there been large swings of temperature in the past? Yes. Are we most likely on an uptick? Probably. Like the economy, you only will know what is going on years after the fact. In geological terms, it may be centuries.</p>
<p> Climatologists and their ilk will argue against these points, but all-in-all it only is logical. A 4 billion year old planet&#8217;s temperatures will fluctuate. We are looking at one miniscule fraction of a miniscule fraction of a percent. You just can&#8217;t trend a sample set that small, folks. <i>You can&#8217;t</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81043</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJh2d,

1) I know.

2) Yea, yea, i get it.

3) Come on, cow f***ing?

4) I suspected that.

I find your comments crazy, but charming in an idealistic young anarchist way.  I will continue responding snarkily to your comments if you continue to oblige me by giving long, well-though-out rebuttals.  I find that hilarious.  It's a personality flaw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJh2d,</p>
<p>1) I know.</p>
<p>2) Yea, yea, i get it.</p>
<p>3) Come on, cow f***ing?</p>
<p>4) I suspected that.</p>
<p>I find your comments crazy, but charming in an idealistic young anarchist way.  I will continue responding snarkily to your comments if you continue to oblige me by giving long, well-though-out rebuttals.  I find that hilarious.  It&#8217;s a personality flaw.</p>
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		<title>By: Psion</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81039</link>
		<dc:creator>Psion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure now with the results coming back from the Argo devices that a lot of people are scratching their collective heads over the issue. I find it curious that the NPR article suggests "...that could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren't quite understanding what their robots are telling them." No mention at all of a third possibility: that global warming really isn't happening, or that it's not as bad as the more extreme alarmists would have us believe. 

Instead I predict the outcome of this will be even more complicated theories about how ocean temperatures lag and a new set of models that restate the theory in such a way that it's perfectly reasonable to have a hypothesis that doesn't fit the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure now with the results coming back from the Argo devices that a lot of people are scratching their collective heads over the issue. I find it curious that the NPR article suggests &#8220;&#8230;that could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren&#8217;t quite understanding what their robots are telling them.&#8221; No mention at all of a third possibility: that global warming really isn&#8217;t happening, or that it&#8217;s not as bad as the more extreme alarmists would have us believe. </p>
<p>Instead I predict the outcome of this will be even more complicated theories about how ocean temperatures lag and a new set of models that restate the theory in such a way that it&#8217;s perfectly reasonable to have a hypothesis that doesn&#8217;t fit the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81027</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a lighter note, the couple with the sweaters made from their dogs fur/wool.  I think that’s pretty neat.   Its like taking a pet angora rabbit and making a sweater from it and this way they can always have a part of their loved one with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a lighter note, the couple with the sweaters made from their dogs fur/wool.  I think that’s pretty neat.   Its like taking a pet angora rabbit and making a sweater from it and this way they can always have a part of their loved one with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tokin42</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81026</link>
		<dc:creator>Tokin42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else take the time to read the article in the telegraph linked to by schiffren?  11 short paragraphs and the only opposition mentioned was a quote from a dog owner.  Anyone with a sense of humor would have noted it regardless of if they were talking about gay, hetero-, bi-, hillbilly-, ugly-, and especially fat- sex.  I'm really beginning to wonder if some of you aren't reallllly taking life a tad too seriously.   Lighten up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else take the time to read the article in the telegraph linked to by schiffren?  11 short paragraphs and the only opposition mentioned was a quote from a dog owner.  Anyone with a sense of humor would have noted it regardless of if they were talking about gay, hetero-, bi-, hillbilly-, ugly-, and especially fat- sex.  I&#8217;m really beginning to wonder if some of you aren&#8217;t reallllly taking life a tad too seriously.   Lighten up.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81024</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I read the article.

Her implication is that the authorities in Amsterdam decided to let gays have sex in the park at the same time they said owners have to leash their dogs because they were worried that the gays would try to have sex with the off-leash dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I read the article.</p>
<p>Her implication is that the authorities in Amsterdam decided to let gays have sex in the park at the same time they said owners have to leash their dogs because they were worried that the gays would try to have sex with the off-leash dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81021</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you actually click through and read the article Schiffren linked too?  The law in Amsterdam was changed to let gays have sex AND to no longer allow dogs off their leashes.  I don't see where she implied anything...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you actually click through and read the article Schiffren linked too?  The law in Amsterdam was changed to let gays have sex AND to no longer allow dogs off their leashes.  I don&#8217;t see where she implied anything&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JJH2</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/19/lunch-links-17/#comment-81016</link>
		<dc:creator>JJH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex: 

A few things. 

First. I didn't call anyone a fascist.

Second. I never claimed that those who desire to coercively outlaw all forms of bestiality have "no reasons at all." I made a claim about the injustice of such a blanket prohibition, which means that I've evaluated the justifications for such a prohibition and found them wanting. An example to illustrate. I understand why some people are in favor of coercively taking my money and redistributing them to enormous corporate agricultural farms. I understand the reasons that people are in favor of agricultural subsidies -- or more accurately, corporate welfare. I'm just OPPOSED to such coercion despite those reasons, because those reasons are wanting and illegitimate. 

Third. Finding something "creepy" is not a legitimate justification for coercively prohibiting it. There are lots of things that two adults can, and should, be allowed to do to each other that I find creepy -- but I don't accept my personal feelings of "ick" towards something as being a sufficient justification for forcibly preventing them from doing it. 

Finally. I'm not really a sports fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex: </p>
<p>A few things. </p>
<p>First. I didn&#8217;t call anyone a fascist.</p>
<p>Second. I never claimed that those who desire to coercively outlaw all forms of bestiality have &#8220;no reasons at all.&#8221; I made a claim about the injustice of such a blanket prohibition, which means that I&#8217;ve evaluated the justifications for such a prohibition and found them wanting. An example to illustrate. I understand why some people are in favor of coercively taking my money and redistributing them to enormous corporate agricultural farms. I understand the reasons that people are in favor of agricultural subsidies &#8212; or more accurately, corporate welfare. I&#8217;m just OPPOSED to such coercion despite those reasons, because those reasons are wanting and illegitimate. </p>
<p>Third. Finding something &#8220;creepy&#8221; is not a legitimate justification for coercively prohibiting it. There are lots of things that two adults can, and should, be allowed to do to each other that I find creepy &#8212; but I don&#8217;t accept my personal feelings of &#8220;ick&#8221; towards something as being a sufficient justification for forcibly preventing them from doing it. </p>
<p>Finally. I&#8217;m not really a sports fan.</p>
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