I seem to remember something in the Constitution about the right to have property free from siezure without due process. They kind of forget about things like that, don’t they?
Yeah, impounding cars would definitely make people think twice about breaking the law. And the penalty can be levied immediately without having to wait for those slow-ass wheels of justice actually render a conviction. And, of course, it’s hard to argue against a good revenue source.
This is where my libertarianism takes a back seat to my personal space.
Playing a stereo so loud that I can hear it over my television from more than half a mile away invades my property and is just as much a trespass as if the person set up a tent in my living room.
If you won’t give me the right to shoot them, you’d better do something…and impounding the car is a good start. Wish they would start doing it in Florida.
So when these people are sworn into office, they no longer have to take a oath to follow the constitution of the united states? Apparently cops no longer swear to support and defend.
Along with the revenue increase it sounds like a way to stop and then search without probable cause to me.
Normally you have have to commit an unlawful act to be stopped, but with something like this the cop could have a venue of something subjective for the stop. Even with his camera running he could say “HE HEARD” music to loud, yet not loud enough for his microphone to pick it up, if so equipped.
Do any of the people involved in this have ties to the towing companies that would be involved? Guaranteed income is always a perk for politicians and cause for concern of citizenry.
I sure that nothing bad could possibly come from allowing police to arbitrarily determine whose car is too loud. Certainly, there wouldn’t be any towing companies filing noise complaints to guarantee business.
So, are the cops going to carry around equipment to measure the sound, in dB, of each person’s radio before towing their car? I mean, if you’re going to make a law about it, you have to be able to quantify where the limit is, right? So, let’s say it’s illegal to play your stereo louder than, oh, I dunno, 92dB. How is the cop going to know it wasn’t 91dB if he doesn’t measure it? How can this be enforced in court if there is no way to measure the level of sound?
“There is one loud motorcycle in particular, the driver heads down the bayfront at 6 a.m. every weekend,” he said.
Translation: “There’s this one motorcyclist who annoys me. I’m gonna pass a law so he loses his bike. No wait, I’m gonna pass a law to confiscate the cars of loud-music-liking people. That’ll teach that motorcyclist, yeah!!”
Playing a stereo so loud that I can hear it over my television from more than half a mile away invades my property and is just as much a trespass as if the person set up a tent in my living room.
If you won’t give me the right to shoot them, you’d better do something…and impounding the car is a good start. Wish they would start doing it in Florida.
No, I’m just not in favor of applying the penalty until due process has been rendered. Seizing property at the time of arrest is becoming so common that no one even gives it a second thought anymore. Next thing you know, it costs $1000 to get the car back. Then they’ll make it so you have to petition the court.
But, in reality, I was just making play on your reference to shooting them. Personally, there are times when I think the threat of violence might be justifiably employed to remove ugly people from nudist beaches, but I keep it to myself because I got tired of ugly people smacking the crap outa me for even mentioning it.
The problem is it seems a lot of places are unwilling to enforce a noise ordinance at all, and sometimes you just wish they’d seize the car right there and solve the problem. Of course, maybe $1000 and having to petition the court will make some of these folks think twice the next time they crank up that amp to intrusive levels.
Once upon a time at a traffic signal the music from the vehicle directly behind me was way too loud. When the light turned green I stayed put and motioned to the person behind me to turn the stuff down.
We don’t need new laws and more government to cure this crap. Think for yourselves. You’re smarter than the average politician.
“Once upon a time at a traffic signal the music from the vehicle directly behind me was way too loud. When the light turned green I stayed put and motioned to the person behind me to turn the stuff down.”
This is a huge problem where I live. When someone pulls up to me with their trunk rattling, I normally give them a scour and take note of where my gun is. Then they either flick me off or call me a cracker, and turn it up louder. If I happen to see a cop shortly after, I’ll tell him what happened and hope he gives the son of a bitch a $300 ticket. Impounding their cars is incredible overkill, but who cares, f**k them.
Well the solution is obvious…let’s just make legislation that prohibits anyone from owning (and therefore selling) a stereo system capable of pumping out those decibles. Maybe we can spend a few billion and find out what is a sufficient amount of wattage required for the average person to enjoy music in their car or home and then prohibit the sale of systems that would exceed that amount. I think Lawrence Welk at a level SLIGHTLY above the whisper of a 90 year old nun with larengitis is sufficient…all else is outlawed.
I say all this with the utmost sarcasm and watch….2-3 months from now some bible thumping, holier than thou, airport bathroom tapping hypocrite republican or “family values oriented, over-priced prostitute purchasing hypocrite democrat will propose this exact legislation….
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Mike Schneider |
March 19th, 2008 at 2:30 am
> I say all this with the utmost sarcasm and watch….2-3 months
> from now some bible thumping, holier than thou, airport bathroom
> tapping hypocrite republican or “family values oriented, over-priced
> prostitute purchasing hypocrite democrat will propose this exact
> legislation….
There’s nothing at all “hypocritical” about Democrats coming up with new and improved excuses to steal your property on a daily basis. — It’s in their nature as socialists.
– You’ll observe that the bill indicates that cars will also be impounded for suspended licenses (which is where 95% of the tows are likely to come), especially now with government tying so many things to licenses (e.g., child-support), and often forgetting to mail you a notice that your license has been suspended.
“Well the solution is obvious…let’s just make legislation that prohibits anyone from owning (and therefore selling) a stereo system capable of pumping out those decibles.”
Maybe we could also make cars that don’t go over 65 mph. In the meantime, do you support doing away with speed limits?
Aw, using police powers to enforce good manners. Lovely.
I seem to remember something in the Constitution about the right to have property free from siezure without due process. They kind of forget about things like that, don’t they?
Yeah, impounding cars would definitely make people think twice about breaking the law. And the penalty can be levied immediately without having to wait for those slow-ass wheels of justice actually render a conviction. And, of course, it’s hard to argue against a good revenue source.
This is where my libertarianism takes a back seat to my personal space.
Playing a stereo so loud that I can hear it over my television from more than half a mile away invades my property and is just as much a trespass as if the person set up a tent in my living room.
If you won’t give me the right to shoot them, you’d better do something…and impounding the car is a good start. Wish they would start doing it in Florida.
So when these people are sworn into office, they no longer have to take a oath to follow the constitution of the united states? Apparently cops no longer swear to support and defend.
Along with the revenue increase it sounds like a way to stop and then search without probable cause to me.
Normally you have have to commit an unlawful act to be stopped, but with something like this the cop could have a venue of something subjective for the stop. Even with his camera running he could say “HE HEARD” music to loud, yet not loud enough for his microphone to pick it up, if so equipped.
Do any of the people involved in this have ties to the towing companies that would be involved? Guaranteed income is always a perk for politicians and cause for concern of citizenry.
I sure that nothing bad could possibly come from allowing police to arbitrarily determine whose car is too loud. Certainly, there wouldn’t be any towing companies filing noise complaints to guarantee business.
Apologies to MacK. Your post wasn’t up when I’d opened the comments section.
Wow. So now it’s go to court and try to get a judge to believe you over a cop that no your stereo was not audible from 25 feet away.
I wonder who the judge is going to side with on that one if you even get the chance to see a judge.
So, are the cops going to carry around equipment to measure the sound, in dB, of each person’s radio before towing their car? I mean, if you’re going to make a law about it, you have to be able to quantify where the limit is, right? So, let’s say it’s illegal to play your stereo louder than, oh, I dunno, 92dB. How is the cop going to know it wasn’t 91dB if he doesn’t measure it? How can this be enforced in court if there is no way to measure the level of sound?
First thing they do after impounding a vehicle is to “inventory” the contents. I can see where they might “accidently” find something.
“There is one loud motorcycle in particular, the driver heads down the bayfront at 6 a.m. every weekend,” he said.
Translation: “There’s this one motorcyclist who annoys me. I’m gonna pass a law so he loses his bike. No wait, I’m gonna pass a law to confiscate the cars of loud-music-liking people. That’ll teach that motorcyclist, yeah!!”
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Burdell said:
Have you ever considered a career in SWAT?
Dave,
Are you saying these idiots have the right to invade my property? If not, what alternative recourse are you proposing?
Burdell,
No, I’m just not in favor of applying the penalty until due process has been rendered. Seizing property at the time of arrest is becoming so common that no one even gives it a second thought anymore. Next thing you know, it costs $1000 to get the car back. Then they’ll make it so you have to petition the court.
But, in reality, I was just making play on your reference to shooting them. Personally, there are times when I think the threat of violence might be justifiably employed to remove ugly people from nudist beaches, but I keep it to myself because I got tired of ugly people smacking the crap outa me for even mentioning it.
Dave,
That’s a fair recourse.
The problem is it seems a lot of places are unwilling to enforce a noise ordinance at all, and sometimes you just wish they’d seize the car right there and solve the problem. Of course, maybe $1000 and having to petition the court will make some of these folks think twice the next time they crank up that amp to intrusive levels.
Sorry I missed the jest there, as well.
Once upon a time at a traffic signal the music from the vehicle directly behind me was way too loud. When the light turned green I stayed put and motioned to the person behind me to turn the stuff down.
We don’t need new laws and more government to cure this crap. Think for yourselves. You’re smarter than the average politician.
“Once upon a time at a traffic signal the music from the vehicle directly behind me was way too loud. When the light turned green I stayed put and motioned to the person behind me to turn the stuff down.”
This is a huge problem where I live. When someone pulls up to me with their trunk rattling, I normally give them a scour and take note of where my gun is. Then they either flick me off or call me a cracker, and turn it up louder. If I happen to see a cop shortly after, I’ll tell him what happened and hope he gives the son of a bitch a $300 ticket. Impounding their cars is incredible overkill, but who cares, f**k them.
Well the solution is obvious…let’s just make legislation that prohibits anyone from owning (and therefore selling) a stereo system capable of pumping out those decibles. Maybe we can spend a few billion and find out what is a sufficient amount of wattage required for the average person to enjoy music in their car or home and then prohibit the sale of systems that would exceed that amount. I think Lawrence Welk at a level SLIGHTLY above the whisper of a 90 year old nun with larengitis is sufficient…all else is outlawed.
I say all this with the utmost sarcasm and watch….2-3 months from now some bible thumping, holier than thou, airport bathroom tapping hypocrite republican or “family values oriented, over-priced prostitute purchasing hypocrite democrat will propose this exact legislation….
> I say all this with the utmost sarcasm and watch….2-3 months
> from now some bible thumping, holier than thou, airport bathroom
> tapping hypocrite republican or “family values oriented, over-priced
> prostitute purchasing hypocrite democrat will propose this exact
> legislation….
There’s nothing at all “hypocritical” about Democrats coming up with new and improved excuses to steal your property on a daily basis. — It’s in their nature as socialists.
– You’ll observe that the bill indicates that cars will also be impounded for suspended licenses (which is where 95% of the tows are likely to come), especially now with government tying so many things to licenses (e.g., child-support), and often forgetting to mail you a notice that your license has been suspended.
“Well the solution is obvious…let’s just make legislation that prohibits anyone from owning (and therefore selling) a stereo system capable of pumping out those decibles.”
Maybe we could also make cars that don’t go over 65 mph. In the meantime, do you support doing away with speed limits?