Comments on: The New Professionalism http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:43:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Kevin Carson http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80572 Kevin Carson Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:55:31 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80572 I live in Springdale, where this happened. In the first place, the woman was charged with selling "pirated" [sic--the parasites who rely on copyright monopolies are the real pirates] CDs and DVDs; i.e., she was violating a law that deserves to be treated with utter contempt. Second, as local columnist John Brummett pointed out in refutation of the idiots who thought she'd "hit the jackpot": before her second day passed in that miserable cell she'd surely have been willing to forswear any legal settlement whatsoever and leave the country with the clothes on her back, just for the assurance that she wouldn't die of thirst before being discovered. Third, she wasn't tried or convicted of jack shit. Common law warrants as far back as Glanville stated that an arrestee was to be safeguarded, for the duration of his confinement, in the same condition in which he arrived. Anyone who did this to a dog or cat should have the living shit kicked out of them. I live in Springdale, where this happened. In the first place, the woman was charged with selling “pirated” [sic--the parasites who rely on copyright monopolies are the real pirates] CDs and DVDs; i.e., she was violating a law that deserves to be treated with utter contempt.

Second, as local columnist John Brummett pointed out in refutation of the idiots who thought she’d “hit the jackpot”: before her second day passed in that miserable cell she’d surely have been willing to forswear any legal settlement whatsoever and leave the country with the clothes on her back, just for the assurance that she wouldn’t die of thirst before being discovered.

Third, she wasn’t tried or convicted of jack shit. Common law warrants as far back as Glanville stated that an arrestee was to be safeguarded, for the duration of his confinement, in the same condition in which he arrived. Anyone who did this to a dog or cat should have the living shit kicked out of them.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80325 anonymous Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:59:22 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80325 Radley, A word of unsolicited advice: Don't self-righteously preach about one topic while writing about another. Judging by "<a href="http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/16/question-for-anti-illegal-immigration-acitivists/" rel="nofollow">Question For Anti-Illegal Immigration Activists</a>," you've stirred up a hornets nest among your regular readership. Insulting people who disagree with you about subject X while writing about subject Y risks alienating the sub-set of your readership you appreciate the work you're doing on Y but disagree with you on X. Radley,

A word of unsolicited advice:

Don’t self-righteously preach about one topic while writing about another.

Judging by “Question For Anti-Illegal Immigration Activists,” you’ve stirred up a hornets nest among your regular readership.

Insulting people who disagree with you about subject X while writing about subject Y risks alienating the sub-set of your readership you appreciate the work you’re doing on Y but disagree with you on X.

]]> By: fishbane http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80288 fishbane Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:09:06 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80288 <i>Such as this story being pushed in an attempt to support IllegalImmigration? Are there race-based advocacy groups, or foreign governments, or crooked companies involved in pushing it?</i> Why, I think you've found us out. Drats! I'll have to talk to others in our vast conspiracy network to find out when you take off the tinfoil, so that we can concentrate our mind-rays on you, so that this leak spreads no further. Such as this story being pushed in an attempt to support IllegalImmigration? Are there race-based advocacy groups, or foreign governments, or crooked companies involved in pushing it?

Why, I think you’ve found us out. Drats! I’ll have to talk to others in our vast conspiracy network to find out when you take off the tinfoil, so that we can concentrate our mind-rays on you, so that this leak spreads no further.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80203 anonymous Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:13:39 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80203 "<i>Guess I’ll just never understand the anger and utter lack of humanity coming from the anti-immigration crowd.</i>" Nice way to lump the "anti-immigration" crowd with the "anti-illegal immigration" crowd, and then tar <i>everyone</i> with being an inhumane monster. Screw you and your cheap rhetorical tactics, Patterico. Oh wait, this is The Agitator?! I expected better here, but I guess the difference between the two has shrunk... “Guess I’ll just never understand the anger and utter lack of humanity coming from the anti-immigration crowd.”

Nice way to lump the “anti-immigration” crowd with the “anti-illegal immigration” crowd, and then tar everyone with being an inhumane monster.

Screw you and your cheap rhetorical tactics, Patterico.

Oh wait, this is The Agitator?!

I expected better here, but I guess the difference between the two has shrunk…

]]> By: Julian http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80192 Julian Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:08:16 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80192 Imagine that someone had treated a lovable golden retriever the same way? The same people who aren't giving a shit about this woman would be screaming for the head of the guy who could do this to a "poor, defenseless creature". Imagine that someone had treated a lovable golden retriever the same way? The same people who aren’t giving a shit about this woman would be screaming for the head of the guy who could do this to a “poor, defenseless creature”.

]]> By: Tokin42 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80188 Tokin42 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:33:34 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80188 Same thing happened in Indianapolis last month. http://www.wishtv.com/global/story.asp?s=7624971 It happened at jail that is run by a private company, so of course the jailer was fired. Same thing happened in Indianapolis last month.

http://www.wishtv.com/global/story.asp?s=7624971

It happened at jail that is run by a private company, so of course the jailer was fired.

]]> By: TC http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80181 TC Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:34:22 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80181 First off, this was not a nice thing to happen to anybody. Gotta suck and big and especially for the lady in the lock up. But she lived, and I can only suppose such is a good thing. A short story; gawd we all hope so. A young assistant hotel manager made a very bad decision, cost his hotel 50K and everybody knew it. The guy knew he would be fired because of it. Summoned to the GM office, he was knowing it was to get the axe. But he did not get fired. Why, he actually asked the GM. The response was that the hotel had a vested in him and contributed another 50k to his training. A lesson that will not be repeated by the young man EVER. You can bet the jailer will never forget it either. He will also make doubly sure it never again happens, and as he rises, will insure all under him know this lesson will NEVER be repeated under his watch. Senseless beatings and such, well that history is yet to be written. :) If she is an illegal, hopefully she will get a ticket to home and be happy to have it. Oh and she must take all her "anchor babies" with her as well. First off, this was not a nice thing to happen to anybody. Gotta suck and big and especially for the lady in the lock up.

But she lived, and I can only suppose such is a good thing.

A short story; gawd we all hope so.

A young assistant hotel manager made a very bad decision, cost his hotel 50K and everybody knew it.

The guy knew he would be fired because of it. Summoned to the GM office, he was knowing it was to get the axe.

But he did not get fired. Why, he actually asked the GM. The response was that the hotel had a vested in him and contributed another 50k to his training. A lesson that will not be repeated by the young man EVER.

You can bet the jailer will never forget it either. He will also make doubly sure it never again happens, and as he rises, will insure all under him know this lesson will NEVER be repeated under his watch.

Senseless beatings and such, well that history is yet to be written. :)

If she is an illegal, hopefully she will get a ticket to home and be happy to have it. Oh and she must take all her “anchor babies” with her as well.

]]> By: Tom http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80149 Tom Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:42:26 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80149 I don't believe in the assertion that all people against illegal immigrants are racists. That is stooping to the level of the people who equated illegals to terrorists. I was reading somewhere about the rule of law, and it basically said there isn't a law anywhere that isn't overreaching. Being able to keep track of who enters this country is a good thing, but can be taken too far. We don't want people here illegally but the government should get out of the way and make it easier for people to come here, get a job, and perhaps become citizens. It makes sense. If they don't fear reprisals from Big Brother then they are more likely to get a good job, pay their taxes, and contribute positively to society. I don’t believe in the assertion that all people against illegal immigrants are racists. That is stooping to the level of the people who equated illegals to terrorists.

I was reading somewhere about the rule of law, and it basically said there isn’t a law anywhere that isn’t overreaching. Being able to keep track of who enters this country is a good thing, but can be taken too far. We don’t want people here illegally but the government should get out of the way and make it easier for people to come here, get a job, and perhaps become citizens.

It makes sense. If they don’t fear reprisals from Big Brother then they are more likely to get a good job, pay their taxes, and contribute positively to society.

]]> By: Matt http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80147 Matt Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:51:49 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80147 <i>Well, if it wasn’t that, it’d be some variant on “That’s the risk you take when you break the law”.</i> Yup. I sound like a hippy saying this, but people have a lot of violence and rage in them, and for many, cops are vicarious agents of that violence. You know, you'd sure fuck up so and so if you could, but you can't, so you get a little thrill from the cops fucking up somebody else. Well, if it wasn’t that, it’d be some variant on “That’s the risk you take when you break the law”.

Yup. I sound like a hippy saying this, but people have a lot of violence and rage in them, and for many, cops are vicarious agents of that violence. You know, you’d sure fuck up so and so if you could, but you can’t, so you get a little thrill from the cops fucking up somebody else.

]]> By: David http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80146 David Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:31:22 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80146 <i>I particularly like the commenters to the story who say they have no sympathy for the woman “because she’s an illegal alien.” Guess I’ll just never understand the anger and utter lack of humanity coming from the anti-immigration crowd.</i> Well, if it wasn't that, it'd be some variant on "That's the risk you take when you break the law". I particularly like the commenters to the story who say they have no sympathy for the woman “because she’s an illegal alien.” Guess I’ll just never understand the anger and utter lack of humanity coming from the anti-immigration crowd.

Well, if it wasn’t that, it’d be some variant on “That’s the risk you take when you break the law”.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80137 Kevin Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:44:27 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80137 My question is why do all the people who say "She's an illegal alien, fuck her" assume that the bailiff was completely innocent in his neglect? Do only blog posters have prejudice? My question is why do all the people who say “She’s an illegal alien, fuck her” assume that the bailiff was completely innocent in his neglect? Do only blog posters have prejudice?

]]> By: Ken Ramsey http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80136 Ken Ramsey Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:21:20 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80136 The judge should be held accountable as the responsible party for administratively assigning the keeping of a defendant to an incompetent. In another part of the country a mother was jailed for allowing an elderly man to keep her 4 year old, along with the children of several other families not charged, after the youngster burned herself at a gas kitchen stove. The judge should be held accountable as the responsible party for administratively assigning the keeping of a defendant to an incompetent.

In another part of the country a mother was jailed for allowing an elderly man to keep her 4 year old, along with the children of several other families not charged, after the youngster burned herself at a gas kitchen stove.

]]> By: Mark J. http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80126 Mark J. Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:09:46 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80126 I think poster Kit's heart is in the right place but don't forget prisons are responsible for the welfare of their prisoners. It is a serious job that requires constant alertness. When a prison employee fails to live up to the immense responsibility, whether intentional or not, that employee cannot remain for the safety of the prisoners, the safety of their fellow employees, and the very real cost of legal liability that employee creates. I think poster Kit’s heart is in the right place but don’t forget prisons are responsible for the welfare of their prisoners. It is a serious job that requires constant alertness. When a prison employee fails to live up to the immense responsibility, whether intentional or not, that employee cannot remain for the safety of the prisoners, the safety of their fellow employees, and the very real cost of legal liability that employee creates.

]]> By: Mike Schneider http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80122 Mike Schneider Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:27:30 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80122 > I haven’t gotten the impression that there was any malicious > intent on his part and thus lean in favor of him keeping his job. > Mistakes happen, and this was a bad one.... Excuse me, but is it no longer possible to be fired in this country on the *mere* grounds of inexcusable incompetence? > I haven’t gotten the impression that there was any malicious
> intent on his part and thus lean in favor of him keeping his job.
> Mistakes happen, and this was a bad one….

Excuse me, but is it no longer possible to be fired in this country on the *mere* grounds of inexcusable incompetence?

]]> By: Robert http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80120 Robert Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:18:27 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80120 I wonder if I locked someone, even an illegal alien, in a closet for 4 days whether I'd get a week or two's worth of vacation then get to head back to work? Oh sorry, "suspended with pay". I wonder if I locked someone, even an illegal alien, in a closet for 4 days whether I’d get a week or two’s worth of vacation then get to head back to work?

Oh sorry, “suspended with pay”.

]]> By: Observant Bystander http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80114 Observant Bystander Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:32:21 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80114 "Further putting on our thinking caps, why is this story getting so much press? Haven’t there been many other similar cases, just not involving illegal aliens?" Do you have a link to one of these "many other similar cases"? I mean, if you are going to argue that the media and others are singling this case out from all the other recent, newsworthy stories where non-illegal aliens were locked up for days with no food, water, or bathroom access, then please offer at least one example -- rather than just hinting at a conspiracy and calling it a day. “Further putting on our thinking caps, why is this story getting so much press? Haven’t there been many other similar cases, just not involving illegal aliens?”

Do you have a link to one of these “many other similar cases”? I mean, if you are going to argue that the media and others are singling this case out from all the other recent, newsworthy stories where non-illegal aliens were locked up for days with no food, water, or bathroom access, then please offer at least one example — rather than just hinting at a conspiracy and calling it a day.

]]> By: JJH2 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80104 JJH2 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:36:48 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80104 A hat tip to Kit Smith for (inadvertently?) highlighting the difference between the "real world" where you and I reside, and the sainted world of the government, where Our Natural Betters hold court. You see, in the real world, if my on-the-job negligence deprived a person of food, water, and sanitation for 4 days and resulted in their hospitalization -- I'd be fired so fast my head would spin. In the world of our sainted "public servants," however, such life-threatening irresponsibility merits a wrist-slapping rebuke at worst. That doesn't sound like any master-servant relationship that I've ever heard of. A hat tip to Kit Smith for (inadvertently?) highlighting the difference between the “real world” where you and I reside, and the sainted world of the government, where Our Natural Betters hold court. You see, in the real world, if my on-the-job negligence deprived a person of food, water, and sanitation for 4 days and resulted in their hospitalization — I’d be fired so fast my head would spin. In the world of our sainted “public servants,” however, such life-threatening irresponsibility merits a wrist-slapping rebuke at worst. That doesn’t sound like any master-servant relationship that I’ve ever heard of.

]]> By: Kit Smith http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80097 Kit Smith Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:43:08 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80097 If it was an honest mistake, I don't think the bailiff should be fired. If he maliciously left her there, then he should be fired with prejudice. From what I've read, I haven't gotten the impression that there was any malicious intent on his part and thus lean in favor of him keeping his job. Mistakes happen, and this was a bad one, but in the end the potential tragedy was averted. Should there be compensation to the victim? Yes. I don't think, however, that this was a law enforcement officer riding high on the power of his badge. If it was an honest mistake, I don’t think the bailiff should be fired. If he maliciously left her there, then he should be fired with prejudice. From what I’ve read, I haven’t gotten the impression that there was any malicious intent on his part and thus lean in favor of him keeping his job. Mistakes happen, and this was a bad one, but in the end the potential tragedy was averted. Should there be compensation to the victim? Yes. I don’t think, however, that this was a law enforcement officer riding high on the power of his badge.

]]> By: What Radley won't discuss http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80092 What Radley won't discuss Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:00:00 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80092 Let's try and think. Are those who'd say bad things about illegal aliens correctly described as "anti-immigration"? Well, no, Radley isn't "being as correct as he could be". Further putting on our thinking caps, why is this story getting so much press? Haven't there been many other similar cases, just not involving illegal aliens? Could there be something else at work here? Such as this story being pushed in an attempt to support IllegalImmigration? Are there race-based advocacy groups, or foreign governments, or crooked companies involved in pushing it? Regarding AR, they're quite "immigrant"-friendly. Let me know when Radley Balko gets around to looking at the very seemy underbelly of that friendliness; see my name's link for a roundup. Let’s try and think. Are those who’d say bad things about illegal aliens correctly described as “anti-immigration”? Well, no, Radley isn’t “being as correct as he could be”.

Further putting on our thinking caps, why is this story getting so much press? Haven’t there been many other similar cases, just not involving illegal aliens? Could there be something else at work here? Such as this story being pushed in an attempt to support IllegalImmigration? Are there race-based advocacy groups, or foreign governments, or crooked companies involved in pushing it?

Regarding AR, they’re quite “immigrant”-friendly. Let me know when Radley Balko gets around to looking at the very seemy underbelly of that friendliness; see my name’s link for a roundup.

]]> By: claude http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/comment-page-1/#comment-80090 claude Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:17:49 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/15/the-new-professionalism-10/#comment-80090 I live north of Josh and i see the pretty much the same thing. It isnt "PC" for people in my area to attack Mexicans so they make it an illegal immigration thing. When a story is about someone black, it becomes about Chicago instead. I live north of Josh and i see the pretty much the same thing. It isnt “PC” for people in my area to attack Mexicans so they make it an illegal immigration thing. When a story is about someone black, it becomes about Chicago instead.

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