Comments on: The New Professionalism http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:37:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: the friendly grizzly http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80315 the friendly grizzly Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:48:34 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80315 In Portland Oregon about 20 years ago there was a cop in the St Johns district using color of authority to, well, cop feels from high school girls. The whitewash bureau refused to do anything about it. The first string of St Johns High's football team did. Three weeks in hospital, some replacement teeth, and some administrative leave. In Portland Oregon about 20 years ago there was a cop in the St Johns district using color of authority to, well, cop feels from high school girls. The whitewash bureau refused to do anything about it. The first string of St Johns High’s football team did.

Three weeks in hospital, some replacement teeth, and some administrative leave.

]]> By: Celeste http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80202 Celeste Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:02:42 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80202 I found the 6k+ bill from the hospital to Clements for the body cavity search even more disturbing. They sedated and searched him without his consent and without a warrant and then turned around and tried to charge him for the pleasure. I hope Clements sues the hospital as well, and that the settlement comes out of Shirley in Risk Management and the rest of the involved staff's salaries. I found the 6k+ bill from the hospital to Clements for the body cavity search even more disturbing. They sedated and searched him without his consent and without a warrant and then turned around and tried to charge him for the pleasure.

I hope Clements sues the hospital as well, and that the settlement comes out of Shirley in Risk Management and the rest of the involved staff’s salaries.

]]> By: Mike Schneider http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80123 Mike Schneider Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:28:40 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80123 Please don't insult our troops by comparing them to police officers. Please don’t insult our troops by comparing them to police officers.

]]> By: old http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80068 old Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:08:50 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80068 Holy Christ! Do these things happen at checkpoints in Iraq? All those soldiers who got ahead in Iraq will return to the states, and will take jobs in law enforcement. Holy Christ!

Do these things happen at checkpoints in Iraq? All those soldiers who got ahead in Iraq will return to the states, and will take jobs in law enforcement.

]]> By: Lloyd Flack http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80062 Lloyd Flack Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:23:38 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80062 An intrusive body search made at a medical centre? If this is the case then if any medical personnel are involved then they are guilty too. These look like plain straight out cases of assault. If there are no warrants and possibly even if there are, then everbody involved in carrying them out should be suspended and up on assault charges and quite possibly on rape charges. An intrusive body search made at a medical centre? If this is the case then if any medical personnel are involved then they are guilty too. These look like plain straight out cases of assault. If there are no warrants and possibly even if there are, then everbody involved in carrying them out should be suspended and up on assault charges and quite possibly on rape charges.

]]> By: Justthisguy http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80008 Justthisguy Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:11:48 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80008 Get a rope. Or, if not up to that, tar, and feathers, and a rail with a nice sharp upper edge on it. Get a rope.

Or, if not up to that, tar, and feathers, and a rail with a nice sharp upper edge on it.

]]> By: annemg http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80004 annemg Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:34:45 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-80004 This is total craziness. As far as I know, in my state, a woman cannot even be searched by a male police officer. Isn't that the rule everywhere? This is total craziness. As far as I know, in my state, a woman cannot even be searched by a male police officer. Isn’t that the rule everywhere?

]]> By: Ochressandro http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79978 Ochressandro Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:36:36 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79978 If I thought I was going to be forcibly sedated and have a camera shoved up my ass, "resisting arrest" would be the least of what I'd be charged with. If the police departments won't deal with officers who grossly violate citizens like this, someday the citizens will take care of the problem themselves. And the departments will have no one but themselves to blame. If I thought I was going to be forcibly sedated and have a camera shoved up my ass, “resisting arrest” would be the least of what I’d be charged with.

If the police departments won’t deal with officers who grossly violate citizens like this, someday the citizens will take care of the problem themselves. And the departments will have no one but themselves to blame.

]]> By: Chris http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79959 Chris Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:01:59 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79959 Of all the horrible police actions you've documented, this may be the most despicable one not resulting in a death. Of all the horrible police actions you’ve documented, this may be the most despicable one not resulting in a death.

]]> By: Zeb http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79952 Zeb Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:06:00 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79952 Honestly, how can anyone think that a body cavity search is ever justified in a traffic stop? Or in any search without a warrant specifying what cavities are to be searched and for what? Also, every child in school should learn to say "no, I do not consent to a search" day one in their civics lesson. Damn it, if I am innocent I do indeed have nothing to hide, but a search is also an insult to me a violation of my rights and a waste of time for both of us. Honestly, how can anyone think that a body cavity search is ever justified in a traffic stop? Or in any search without a warrant specifying what cavities are to be searched and for what?

Also, every child in school should learn to say “no, I do not consent to a search” day one in their civics lesson. Damn it, if I am innocent I do indeed have nothing to hide, but a search is also an insult to me a violation of my rights and a waste of time for both of us.

]]> By: colson http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79951 colson Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:03:16 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79951 Heh, Radley - check out the following from the DUI Blog: http://www.duiblog.com/2008/03/05/catheter-forced-into-penis-after-dui-arrest/ Heh, Radley - check out the following from the DUI Blog:

http://www.duiblog.com/2008/03/05/catheter-forced-into-penis-after-dui-arrest/

]]> By: Bronwyn http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79947 Bronwyn Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:48:29 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79947 I'd like to see the minutes from the meeting where roadside body cavity search protocols were discussed. Don't police have protocols? Procedures? RULES?!? Surely this sort of thing is properly documented and authorized. Oh, it isn't? Then let's see some assault charges, please. I’d like to see the minutes from the meeting where roadside body cavity search protocols were discussed. Don’t police have protocols? Procedures? RULES?!? Surely this sort of thing is properly documented and authorized.

Oh, it isn’t? Then let’s see some assault charges, please.

]]> By: Tokin42 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79941 Tokin42 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:06:34 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79941 Bronwyn, exactly what I was thinking. That article was horrific. WTF is up with the albany police dept feeling the need to search every orifice during a stop? Bronwyn, exactly what I was thinking. That article was horrific. WTF is up with the albany police dept feeling the need to search every orifice during a stop?

]]> By: Nick T http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79940 Nick T Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:58:51 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79940 Well, not to stick up for cops, Robert, but in general suspended with pay sort of makes sense for lesser (non-criminal things) because you may not have enough info to make a conclusion so you don't want to deprive the officer of his pay, but you also don't want someone who may be a problem on the street doing this important job. Also, don't forget the officer has a due process right to his pay check and his job because he works for the government, plus union CBAs, so it's not always easy to strip someone of their pay early in the game. Of course this alleged-criminal hasn't even gotten that treatment, so this is really academic. Well, not to stick up for cops, Robert, but in general suspended with pay sort of makes sense for lesser (non-criminal things) because you may not have enough info to make a conclusion so you don’t want to deprive the officer of his pay, but you also don’t want someone who may be a problem on the street doing this important job.

Also, don’t forget the officer has a due process right to his pay check and his job because he works for the government, plus union CBAs, so it’s not always easy to strip someone of their pay early in the game.

Of course this alleged-criminal hasn’t even gotten that treatment, so this is really academic.

]]> By: mike http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79938 mike Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:54:30 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79938 I agree with Jerry. In cases like this, the "Blue Wall of Silence" is an indictment of the integrity of every cop in the nation. This is absolutely gut-wrenching. These cops may benefit from a program like this: http://www.bakelblog.com/nobodys_business/2008/03/i-despise-the-m.html I agree with Jerry. In cases like this, the “Blue Wall of Silence” is an indictment of the integrity of every cop in the nation. This is absolutely gut-wrenching.

These cops may benefit from a program like this:
http://www.bakelblog.com/nobodys_business/2008/03/i-despise-the-m.html

]]> By: Robert http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79918 Robert Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:23:58 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79918 I love how the police get away with the "suspended with pay" line. Last time I checked everyone else calls that "vacation". I love how the police get away with the “suspended with pay” line. Last time I checked everyone else calls that “vacation”.

]]> By: Thomas Paine's Goiter http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79915 Thomas Paine's Goiter Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:12:55 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79915 Dugg: http://digg.com/people/The_New_Professionalism Dugg:

http://digg.com/people/The_New_Professionalism

]]> By: Bronwyn http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79902 Bronwyn Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:52:49 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79902 *anoscopy* *forcibly sedated* Holy fucking shit, people. Who needs alien abductions when you've got your local boys in blue? I'm not trying to be funny, this is sickening. *anoscopy*

*forcibly sedated*

Holy fucking shit, people. Who needs alien abductions when you’ve got your local boys in blue?

I’m not trying to be funny, this is sickening.

]]> By: Jerry http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79897 Jerry Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:39:59 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79897 I agree, I avoid policemen at all costs, I don't trust any cop, and my father was one for 20 years. I pretty much figure they are all like these two are until proven otherwise. And I really don't care if it's one or two bad apples, it's guilt by association unless they prosecute their own as they would anyone in the general public. I agree, I avoid policemen at all costs, I don’t trust any cop, and my father was one for 20 years. I pretty much figure they are all like these two are until proven otherwise. And I really don’t care if it’s one or two bad apples, it’s guilt by association unless they prosecute their own as they would anyone in the general public.

]]> By: Blue http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79896 Blue Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:28:17 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/03/14/the-new-professionalism-9/#comment-79896 Police wouldn't have any excuse for this if not for the "War on Drugs" which has really become a war on the American people. The casualties are mounting faster than ones in Iraq. Police wouldn’t have any excuse for this if not for the “War on Drugs” which has really become a war on the American people. The casualties are mounting faster than ones in Iraq.

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