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	<title>Comments on: Killer or Hero?  How &#8216;Bout &#8220;Victim?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ryan Frederick Update: Virginian-Pilot Columnist Gets Her Facts Wrong</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-184806</link>
		<dc:creator>The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ryan Frederick Update: Virginian-Pilot Columnist Gets Her Facts Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you might remember, wrote a column last February in which she excoriated bloggers, activists, and other journalists [...]</description>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-79480</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FACTS?!?  You mean like all the other FACTS we hear about from the police and govt?  I heard about some kids at duke that factually raped a woman, at least that's what the cops and DA said.  Govt told me there were WMD in iraq.

Hmm, I want the press out there getting their facts.  Seems like they get it right a bit more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FACTS?!?  You mean like all the other FACTS we hear about from the police and govt?  I heard about some kids at duke that factually raped a woman, at least that&#8217;s what the cops and DA said.  Govt told me there were WMD in iraq.</p>
<p>Hmm, I want the press out there getting their facts.  Seems like they get it right a bit more often.</p>
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		<title>By: Killer or Hero? How &#8216;Bout &#8220;Victim?&#8221; &#8212; Law and DWI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Killer or Hero? How &#8216;Bout &#8220;Victim?&#8221; &#8212; Law and DWI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] still find the idea of using home invasions to enforce it discomforting. And even i    source: Killer or Hero? How Bout Victim?, The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jared</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-77143</link>
		<dc:creator>jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made a mistake Radley, she's not a journalist and she doesnt deserve the credit of being called one. She's a pundit who gets payed to spew diarrhea out of her mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made a mistake Radley, she&#8217;s not a journalist and she doesnt deserve the credit of being called one. She&#8217;s a pundit who gets payed to spew diarrhea out of her mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-76906</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After living in Norfolk for 4 years and following the Pilot columnists consistently, I can vouch that Dougherty "misses the point" far more often than she finds it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After living in Norfolk for 4 years and following the Pilot columnists consistently, I can vouch that Dougherty &#8220;misses the point&#8221; far more often than she finds it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-76788</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Submitted by falconski on Tue, 02/26/2008 at 8:35 am.

"What do you say we all hold our fire until the defendant goes on trial?" This quote comes after you saying he's in jail right where he belongs. This is typical Kerry, ***** a judge's wife by the way, ***** reacting way after the fact in taking an easy topic to write about and then getting paid to write an essentially meaningless column. Yes Kerry, there are those who thinks he's innocent, there's always blogs about every side of everything, yes Kerry, he should be in jail awaiting trial, yes Kerry, there will be a trial and a vedict. No Kerry, you do not come across as a journalist. Do some actual work to earn your paycheck and please go back to New Jersey to do that work.

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I wonder why she did not disclose she is married to a judge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Submitted by falconski on Tue, 02/26/2008 at 8:35 am.</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you say we all hold our fire until the defendant goes on trial?&#8221; This quote comes after you saying he&#8217;s in jail right where he belongs. This is typical Kerry, ***** a judge&#8217;s wife by the way, ***** reacting way after the fact in taking an easy topic to write about and then getting paid to write an essentially meaningless column. Yes Kerry, there are those who thinks he&#8217;s innocent, there&#8217;s always blogs about every side of everything, yes Kerry, he should be in jail awaiting trial, yes Kerry, there will be a trial and a vedict. No Kerry, you do not come across as a journalist. Do some actual work to earn your paycheck and please go back to New Jersey to do that work.</p>
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<p>I wonder why she did not disclose she is married to a judge?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty,

That's all well and good, but the paper has unleashed two terribly one-sided reports/editorials on it. I have a breakdown &lt;a href="http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com/2008/01/a-veritable-case-study-of-how.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; of one (or the?) first report on the case. It's pretty wild how far out of their way they went in the first case, then you have this.

I agree that this one has a much more conciliatory tone to it, but so far that's about 2/3, not a good ratio. I think that is more of an indication of one person having common sense to ask questions, than a culture of doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all well and good, but the paper has unleashed two terribly one-sided reports/editorials on it. I have a breakdown <a href="http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com/2008/01/a-veritable-case-study-of-how.php" rel="nofollow">here</a> of one (or the?) first report on the case. It&#8217;s pretty wild how far out of their way they went in the first case, then you have this.</p>
<p>I agree that this one has a much more conciliatory tone to it, but so far that&#8217;s about 2/3, not a good ratio. I think that is more of an indication of one person having common sense to ask questions, than a culture of doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-76776</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerry Dougherty IS very opinionated and it is her op-ed piece- I don't think she's the editorial mouthpiece for the paper. I think if she dropped the 'hero' sarcasm, she would've at least had a respectable opinion. She did point out that the policies of the police department are 'troubling'. I read another article at the paper that I felt was pretty balanced, though. I don't think I found it on this site.  http://hamptonroads.com/2008/02/too-many-questions-surround-police-shooting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry Dougherty IS very opinionated and it is her op-ed piece- I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;s the editorial mouthpiece for the paper. I think if she dropped the &#8216;hero&#8217; sarcasm, she would&#8217;ve at least had a respectable opinion. She did point out that the policies of the police department are &#8216;troubling&#8217;. I read another article at the paper that I felt was pretty balanced, though. I don&#8217;t think I found it on this site.  <a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2008/02/too-many-questions-surround-police-shooting" rel="nofollow">http://hamptonroads.com/2008/02/too-many-questions-surround-police-shooting</a></p>
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		<title>By: FP</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-76768</link>
		<dc:creator>FP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, such another great member of the vaunted fourth estate blabbing her mouth off, whining and crying like a little school girl. Journalist, more like PR mouthpiece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, such another great member of the vaunted fourth estate blabbing her mouth off, whining and crying like a little school girl. Journalist, more like PR mouthpiece.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-76753</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's pretty clear that the Virginia Pilot is rooting for the government on this one to fry Frederick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that the Virginia Pilot is rooting for the government on this one to fry Frederick.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

It's a matter of &lt;strong&gt;how&lt;/strong&gt; the law was enforced that lead to this situation. If they had been smart, they would have waited till he went to work, and executed the search warrant while he wasn't at home. There was a day and age where the police were expected to not disturb the peace by being so aggressive unless absolutely necessary.

The fact is that this case is a big black mark on that department's professionalism. You don't have to be a cop to know that a smart cop would have done a search of the garage while Frederick was away, before doing a full-on assault of his house in the middle of the night. Whatever happened to the idea of waiting down the street for him to show up, then walking down to him as he's going inside and calmly saying "Mr. Frederick, you are under arrest for the crime of growing marijuana?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a matter of <strong>how</strong> the law was enforced that lead to this situation. If they had been smart, they would have waited till he went to work, and executed the search warrant while he wasn&#8217;t at home. There was a day and age where the police were expected to not disturb the peace by being so aggressive unless absolutely necessary.</p>
<p>The fact is that this case is a big black mark on that department&#8217;s professionalism. You don&#8217;t have to be a cop to know that a smart cop would have done a search of the garage while Frederick was away, before doing a full-on assault of his house in the middle of the night. Whatever happened to the idea of waiting down the street for him to show up, then walking down to him as he&#8217;s going inside and calmly saying &#8220;Mr. Frederick, you are under arrest for the crime of growing marijuana?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick T</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-76747</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That editorial is completely aimless.  What point is she trying make about the defense attorney not wanting to change venues? It seem that, if anything, that undermines her point.  She just says these vague things like "it's weird a man accused of fisrt degree murder fo killing a cop has a fan-base." But then she never discusses why some people might think that really or what their points are.  It's like saying "wow it sure is weird that some people seem to like a guy who's a sex offender!" And then leaving out how he's a sex offender for being 16 and having consensual sex with his 15yo girlfriend at the time and people like him now because he just saved a bus-load of school children.  

What more facts does this woman think we need anyway? We know they were invading his home, we know the police were worng in what they thought was going on in his home.  We know he has no record and we've heard his account of why he did what he did.  Why can't we merely choose to believe him on his statement and the other facts.  Just cuz a jury reaches a decision doesn't make it the abolsute factual and legal truth of the situation.  

Funny too how she encourages us to wait for the facts but is happy to say that Mr. Frederick *belongs* in jail.

What an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That editorial is completely aimless.  What point is she trying make about the defense attorney not wanting to change venues? It seem that, if anything, that undermines her point.  She just says these vague things like &#8220;it&#8217;s weird a man accused of fisrt degree murder fo killing a cop has a fan-base.&#8221; But then she never discusses why some people might think that really or what their points are.  It&#8217;s like saying &#8220;wow it sure is weird that some people seem to like a guy who&#8217;s a sex offender!&#8221; And then leaving out how he&#8217;s a sex offender for being 16 and having consensual sex with his 15yo girlfriend at the time and people like him now because he just saved a bus-load of school children.  </p>
<p>What more facts does this woman think we need anyway? We know they were invading his home, we know the police were worng in what they thought was going on in his home.  We know he has no record and we&#8217;ve heard his account of why he did what he did.  Why can&#8217;t we merely choose to believe him on his statement and the other facts.  Just cuz a jury reaches a decision doesn&#8217;t make it the abolsute factual and legal truth of the situation.  </p>
<p>Funny too how she encourages us to wait for the facts but is happy to say that Mr. Frederick *belongs* in jail.</p>
<p>What an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If its true that Kerry Dougherty (the writer of the VP opine piece) is married to a local judge, that is very telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If its true that Kerry Dougherty (the writer of the VP opine piece) is married to a local judge, that is very telling.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/02/26/killer-or-hero-how-bout-victim/#comment-76738</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn't actually matter that the cops broke down the door in the enforcement of a bad law. First, the man targeted was basically innocent. Second, the info they had came from an informant they should have known couldn't be trusted. And finally, they used very poor tactics, since the guy they were after wasn't known to be a violent danger.

I don't care if they restrict raids like this to arrest only known child rapists, it's still intensely stupid to break down someone's door to arrest them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t actually matter that the cops broke down the door in the enforcement of a bad law. First, the man targeted was basically innocent. Second, the info they had came from an informant they should have known couldn&#8217;t be trusted. And finally, they used very poor tactics, since the guy they were after wasn&#8217;t known to be a violent danger.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if they restrict raids like this to arrest only known child rapists, it&#8217;s still intensely stupid to break down someone&#8217;s door to arrest them.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmund Dantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edmund Dantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they had enforced the law competently, we wouldn't be having this discussion. She also wouldn't have had to write an article discussing the latest SWAT team raid gone wrong. The problem with her point and yours is that it ignores the incompetency of the Cops in enforcing the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they had enforced the law competently, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this discussion. She also wouldn&#8217;t have had to write an article discussing the latest SWAT team raid gone wrong. The problem with her point and yours is that it ignores the incompetency of the Cops in enforcing the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think she makes an inadvertent good point at the end, don't blame the cops for enforcing the law and I would add doing what they are allowed to do, where are the politicians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think she makes an inadvertent good point at the end, don&#8217;t blame the cops for enforcing the law and I would add doing what they are allowed to do, where are the politicians?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Pack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems guilty till proven other wise is the theme with these folks.With most cases ending in a plea for reduced time they may be right.It's difficult  for the average person to afford to defend themselves.Of course with the expansion of law, many people face the justice system who previously  never would .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems guilty till proven other wise is the theme with these folks.With most cases ending in a plea for reduced time they may be right.It&#8217;s difficult  for the average person to afford to defend themselves.Of course with the expansion of law, many people face the justice system who previously  never would .</p>
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