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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-2/#comment-226401</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>last night, i fell asleep on the couch watching TV. My girlfriend and 16 year old step daughter we asleep upstairs and my 60 something inlaws were asleep downstairs in their rooms. At 530am this morning 
(saturday) I was damn near shocked to death by what sounded like a bomb, but found it was a battering ram that forced open the door quickly followed followed by an M-16 assault rifle pointed at my head.
After an hour of being handcuffed and humiliated, the cops left with $10 dollar street value worth of marijuana that my father inlaw once in a blue moon smokes to lessen the pain of gout an other health problems. Also found was trace amount of cocaine left behind in baggies that my girl keeps to remind her how much money she has lost on the drup. shes been clean for over a year. Not very smart but it worked for her so who&#039;s to say.
Three people led out of the house in handcuffs, charged with possession and paraphanelia(sp). two love ones face years of imprisonment for so - so little. 
I believe drugs are bad as well as liqour and tobacco. Cops need tools to stop the illegal flow of drugs into our neighborhoods but the tactics of raids should be limited to distributors and not occassional users who have enough problems with their demons.

Warning - drugs without a tax stamp can lead the Gestapo to your door. I&#039;m proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last night, i fell asleep on the couch watching TV. My girlfriend and 16 year old step daughter we asleep upstairs and my 60 something inlaws were asleep downstairs in their rooms. At 530am this morning<br />
(saturday) I was damn near shocked to death by what sounded like a bomb, but found it was a battering ram that forced open the door quickly followed followed by an M-16 assault rifle pointed at my head.<br />
After an hour of being handcuffed and humiliated, the cops left with $10 dollar street value worth of marijuana that my father inlaw once in a blue moon smokes to lessen the pain of gout an other health problems. Also found was trace amount of cocaine left behind in baggies that my girl keeps to remind her how much money she has lost on the drup. shes been clean for over a year. Not very smart but it worked for her so who&#8217;s to say.<br />
Three people led out of the house in handcuffs, charged with possession and paraphanelia(sp). two love ones face years of imprisonment for so &#8211; so little.<br />
I believe drugs are bad as well as liqour and tobacco. Cops need tools to stop the illegal flow of drugs into our neighborhoods but the tactics of raids should be limited to distributors and not occassional users who have enough problems with their demons.</p>
<p>Warning &#8211; drugs without a tax stamp can lead the Gestapo to your door. I&#8217;m proof.</p>
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		<title>By: appletree &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yet Another Killing as SWAT Team Kicks Down Door of Suspected Dealer</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-2/#comment-74115</link>
		<dc:creator>appletree &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yet Another Killing as SWAT Team Kicks Down Door of Suspected Dealer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and sometimes he&#8217;s charged with murder because a policeman is killed. Here&#8217;s the latest manifestation of this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lowell</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-2/#comment-72580</link>
		<dc:creator>Lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Law enforcement needs to justify having swat teams and drug task force units,after all we&#039;re paying a lot of money for them. So swat teams do not get enough action in their orginal role, why not add them to drug raids they need the practice. The task force units are always glad to have them along when they arrest the Big time drug dealers. By the way, when was the last really big raid, where they had large quantity&#039;s of drugs to show ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Law enforcement needs to justify having swat teams and drug task force units,after all we&#8217;re paying a lot of money for them. So swat teams do not get enough action in their orginal role, why not add them to drug raids they need the practice. The task force units are always glad to have them along when they arrest the Big time drug dealers. By the way, when was the last really big raid, where they had large quantity&#8217;s of drugs to show ?</p>
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		<title>By: The Straight Toke - THE Marijuana Blog &#187; Julius&#8217; link picks for February 1st</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-2/#comment-72365</link>
		<dc:creator>The Straight Toke - THE Marijuana Blog &#187; Julius&#8217; link picks for February 1st</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A &#8220;Drug Bust&#8221; Gone Wrong: One Dead, One In Jail, No Criminal Possession - One of the saddest stories I&#8217;ve read in a while. Police received an anonymous tip that a man was growing marijuana. Police performed a no-knock raid. As anyone might do when armed men burst through your door, the man attempted to defend himself. Firing in self defense, he shot and killed an officer. As it turns out, the plants in the back yard that sparked the tip were not marijuana plants &#8212; the only cannabis the man had was in his personal stash; barely enough for a misdemeanor. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A &#8220;Drug Bust&#8221; Gone Wrong: One Dead, One In Jail, No Criminal Possession &#8211; One of the saddest stories I&#8217;ve read in a while. Police received an anonymous tip that a man was growing marijuana. Police performed a no-knock raid. As anyone might do when armed men burst through your door, the man attempted to defend himself. Firing in self defense, he shot and killed an officer. As it turns out, the plants in the back yard that sparked the tip were not marijuana plants &#8212; the only cannabis the man had was in his personal stash; barely enough for a misdemeanor. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benito Hidalgo</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-2/#comment-72068</link>
		<dc:creator>Benito Hidalgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You wonder how large the pile of bodies will need to grow before the cops stop breaking down doors and invading homes to enforce consensual crimes.&quot;

Radley, you poor deluded soul. Don&#039;t you realize that without consensual crimes, there would be a lot of unemployed cops? Besides, it&#039;s a lot more fun to raid houses and throw your authority around than it is to deal with vandals. 

&quot;War is the health of the state.&quot; -Randolph Bourne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You wonder how large the pile of bodies will need to grow before the cops stop breaking down doors and invading homes to enforce consensual crimes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Radley, you poor deluded soul. Don&#8217;t you realize that without consensual crimes, there would be a lot of unemployed cops? Besides, it&#8217;s a lot more fun to raid houses and throw your authority around than it is to deal with vandals. </p>
<p>&#8220;War is the health of the state.&#8221; -Randolph Bourne</p>
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		<title>By: Center for the Common Interest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One Month Down, 11 to Go</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-2/#comment-71966</link>
		<dc:creator>Center for the Common Interest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One Month Down, 11 to Go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] addition to our growing Police State (which, sadly, is affecting my home area with this arrest of a homeowner invaded by a Drug Warrior), the government is threatening us in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-2/#comment-71937</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To follow up Joshua&#039;s idea, here&#039;s another question to ask during Jury selection.  &quot;Do you believe that it would be possible for you persoanlly to continue living as a law-abiding citizen in your community after specifically identifying in a court of law, a member of the local police force as having acted in an illegal or unethical manner?&quot;

Again, I suspect the answer would be somewhat less than a unanimous &quot;Of course.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To follow up Joshua&#8217;s idea, here&#8217;s another question to ask during Jury selection.  &#8220;Do you believe that it would be possible for you persoanlly to continue living as a law-abiding citizen in your community after specifically identifying in a court of law, a member of the local police force as having acted in an illegal or unethical manner?&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, I suspect the answer would be somewhat less than a unanimous &#8220;Of course.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-2/#comment-71919</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steveaz - Please reread my comment. I didn&#039;t say, much less believe, any of the things you attribute to me.

The evidence against Frederick being a pot-smoker is hardly hearsay. He admitted to having a small amount of pot. In no way does this justify the raid. Nor did I ever claim that just because someone had been seen &quot;smoking a doob&quot; in the past does that mean they are guilty of whatever the cops say they are.

I think cops planting evidence is wrong, even if they&#039;re framing a guilty man (which could be what happened in this case), and cops that do so should be fired and prosecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steveaz &#8211; Please reread my comment. I didn&#8217;t say, much less believe, any of the things you attribute to me.</p>
<p>The evidence against Frederick being a pot-smoker is hardly hearsay. He admitted to having a small amount of pot. In no way does this justify the raid. Nor did I ever claim that just because someone had been seen &#8220;smoking a doob&#8221; in the past does that mean they are guilty of whatever the cops say they are.</p>
<p>I think cops planting evidence is wrong, even if they&#8217;re framing a guilty man (which could be what happened in this case), and cops that do so should be fired and prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-1/#comment-71903</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He hasn’t identified any lethal force being pointed at him before he’s used it himself.&quot;

Yeah, the guy should wait until his brains are actually flying out the back of his head before concluding that his life might be in danger.

&quot;He was drunk, had just got home from a nightclub, had lost his keys, and tried to get in to what he thought was his house. He had nil prior criminal record and was utterly harmless. Good thing he didn’t do it in Chesapeake or he’d be dead.&quot;

Good thing he didn&#039;t do it in Clearwater or he&#039;d be dead, too.  And there would be no charges against the guy who shot him.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/03/TampaBay/Man_killed_as_he_ente.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He hasn’t identified any lethal force being pointed at him before he’s used it himself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, the guy should wait until his brains are actually flying out the back of his head before concluding that his life might be in danger.</p>
<p>&#8220;He was drunk, had just got home from a nightclub, had lost his keys, and tried to get in to what he thought was his house. He had nil prior criminal record and was utterly harmless. Good thing he didn’t do it in Chesapeake or he’d be dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good thing he didn&#8217;t do it in Clearwater or he&#8217;d be dead, too.  And there would be no charges against the guy who shot him.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/03/TampaBay/Man_killed_as_he_ente.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/03/TampaBay/Man_killed_as_he_ente.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Flack</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-1/#comment-71900</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Flack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way that many &quot;knock-and announce&quot; warrants are served is a deliberate violation of the spirit and intent of the law. If they only wait 30 to 40 seconds after knocking, if they do not allow someone a reasonable chance of answering the knock then the are trying to technically obey the law while violating its intent. Knock-and annnounce is not about surprise, so attempts to keep the advantage of surprise are attempts to keep something they were  never supposed to have sought. So what, if sometimes some evidence might not be preserved. These are cases where winning the case anfd getting convictions is not orth the price paid in danger to lives and the risk of the violation of people&#039;s homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way that many &#8220;knock-and announce&#8221; warrants are served is a deliberate violation of the spirit and intent of the law. If they only wait 30 to 40 seconds after knocking, if they do not allow someone a reasonable chance of answering the knock then the are trying to technically obey the law while violating its intent. Knock-and annnounce is not about surprise, so attempts to keep the advantage of surprise are attempts to keep something they were  never supposed to have sought. So what, if sometimes some evidence might not be preserved. These are cases where winning the case anfd getting convictions is not orth the price paid in danger to lives and the risk of the violation of people&#8217;s homes.</p>
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		<title>By: Blagnet.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It IS happening here</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-1/#comment-71873</link>
		<dc:creator>Blagnet.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It IS happening here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the cops broke into his home for a drug raid. Here is his first post about it and here&#8217;s a recent update about this sad story. Balko sums it up nicely: Ryan Frederick was arraigned today. He was charged [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the cops broke into his home for a drug raid. Here is his first post about it and here&#8217;s a recent update about this sad story. Balko sums it up nicely: Ryan Frederick was arraigned today. He was charged [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-1/#comment-71860</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StevenA: &lt;i&gt;This is EXACTLY why we have a trial by a jury of your peers. These charges can be overturned by a jury using jury nullification. If a jury finds this unacceptable they merely have to acquit. Google jury nullification and the next time you serve on a jury, make sure you are informed about your ulitmate power in the courtroom.&lt;/i&gt;

If I were Fredrick&#039;s defense attorney, I&#039;d also be more than a little worried about the prospect of what might be called &lt;b&gt;reverse&lt;/b&gt; jury nullification. That is, that regardless of Fredrick&#039;s intent or the other circumstances, the jurors will simply be unable to bring themselves to acquit, because doing so would be tantamount to saying the slain officer somehow deserved his fate.

During jury selection the first question I would ask each and every jury candidate is this: &quot;Can you conceive of any circumstance in which a law enforcement officer is shot to death in the course of performing his duties in good faith, yet that killing would &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; be a crime?&quot; Unfortunately, in Virginia, and indeed across vast swaths of the U.S., I strongly suspect the majority of folks asked that question would answer simply, &quot;No.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StevenA: <i>This is EXACTLY why we have a trial by a jury of your peers. These charges can be overturned by a jury using jury nullification. If a jury finds this unacceptable they merely have to acquit. Google jury nullification and the next time you serve on a jury, make sure you are informed about your ulitmate power in the courtroom.</i></p>
<p>If I were Fredrick&#8217;s defense attorney, I&#8217;d also be more than a little worried about the prospect of what might be called <b>reverse</b> jury nullification. That is, that regardless of Fredrick&#8217;s intent or the other circumstances, the jurors will simply be unable to bring themselves to acquit, because doing so would be tantamount to saying the slain officer somehow deserved his fate.</p>
<p>During jury selection the first question I would ask each and every jury candidate is this: &#8220;Can you conceive of any circumstance in which a law enforcement officer is shot to death in the course of performing his duties in good faith, yet that killing would <b>not</b> be a crime?&#8221; Unfortunately, in Virginia, and indeed across vast swaths of the U.S., I strongly suspect the majority of folks asked that question would answer simply, &#8220;No.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Silent Running &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Trouble on the home front</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-1/#comment-71849</link>
		<dc:creator>Silent Running &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Trouble on the home front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Balko notes yet another para-military style police operation gone wrong - with the result being a dead husband [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-1/#comment-71836</link>
		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a meter reader claimed that he went to a house, and in the middle of his normal duties, slipped and accidentally kicked the door in, I would not find his story credible.  I&#039;ve slipped lots of times.  None of them involved accidentally kicking in a stranger&#039;s door.  

I guess the next story will be about the plumber who slips fixing the drain and accidentally rapes the housewife who lives in the house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a meter reader claimed that he went to a house, and in the middle of his normal duties, slipped and accidentally kicked the door in, I would not find his story credible.  I&#8217;ve slipped lots of times.  None of them involved accidentally kicking in a stranger&#8217;s door.  </p>
<p>I guess the next story will be about the plumber who slips fixing the drain and accidentally rapes the housewife who lives in the house.</p>
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		<title>By: datacine</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-1/#comment-71827</link>
		<dc:creator>datacine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t know about it, check out the story of Donald P. Scott:
Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_P._Scott_(Malibu,_CA)

Ventura County D. A. Report of the case:

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/scott.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t know about it, check out the story of Donald P. Scott:<br />
Wikipedia:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_P._Scott_(Malibu,_CA)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_P._Scott_(Malibu,_CA)</a></p>
<p>Ventura County D. A. Report of the case:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/scott.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/scott.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-1/#comment-71826</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the purpose of &quot;kinetic&quot; police raids to search for reported drugs to prevent the suspect from destroying evidence, for example by flushing the drugs down the toilet?

I wouldn&#039;t think flushing a Japanese maple-sized marijuana plant down the toilet would be a particularly easy operation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the purpose of &#8220;kinetic&#8221; police raids to search for reported drugs to prevent the suspect from destroying evidence, for example by flushing the drugs down the toilet?</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t think flushing a Japanese maple-sized marijuana plant down the toilet would be a particularly easy operation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/back-to-chesapeake-3/comment-page-1/#comment-71822</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZappaCrappa: &quot;Actually Dave…I was quoting someone else (Wilbur at comment #16)…not MY statement…that one belongs to Wilbur.&quot;

My apologies.  I mistakenly thought only the first paragraph was a quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZappaCrappa: &#8220;Actually Dave…I was quoting someone else (Wilbur at comment #16)…not MY statement…that one belongs to Wilbur.&#8221;</p>
<p>My apologies.  I mistakenly thought only the first paragraph was a quote.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a terrible tragedy for both Ryan Frederick and his family, coming from a situation that never should have happened. My deepest sympathies go to both of them. 

It is also unfortunate for the dead police officer and his family. What was Ryan &quot;defending&quot; himself from, I wonder? 

Plz email me if you can answer this question, because I likely wont be coming back to this thread. =\

boooth@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a terrible tragedy for both Ryan Frederick and his family, coming from a situation that never should have happened. My deepest sympathies go to both of them. </p>
<p>It is also unfortunate for the dead police officer and his family. What was Ryan &#8220;defending&#8221; himself from, I wonder? </p>
<p>Plz email me if you can answer this question, because I likely wont be coming back to this thread. =\</p>
<p><a href="mailto:boooth@gmail.com">boooth@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: RandMan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one word for the WOD -- tyranny.

What else do you call laws that send armed gov&#039;t agents into citizens&#039; homes to arrest them for possessing dried flowers from a plant, or some pills, or powders?  

Condolences to friends and family of the dead officer.  

Conversely, I hope Mr. Frederick is acquitted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one word for the WOD &#8212; tyranny.</p>
<p>What else do you call laws that send armed gov&#8217;t agents into citizens&#8217; homes to arrest them for possessing dried flowers from a plant, or some pills, or powders?  </p>
<p>Condolences to friends and family of the dead officer.  </p>
<p>Conversely, I hope Mr. Frederick is acquitted.</p>
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		<title>By: steveaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of all the comments in this controversial thread, it is Matt&#039;s comment that worried me most.

Any time contraband is planted by a state agent to rationalize a &quot;dry&quot; raid (one where no unlawful substance or behavior was observed by authorities), according to Matt&#039;s thinking, the &quot;smack-plant&quot; should not be considered a crime...

...if the State&#039;ll only present (plant?) some hear-say testimony of prior (not immediate) drug-usage by the raided home-owner.  This, in Matt&#039;s view, is enough to spring the &quot;smack-planters,&quot; and convict the home-owner.

Worrisome.   Very worrisome.  My skin&#039;s crawling in fact.

Matt&#039;s approach would, in light of the &quot;Asset-Seizure&quot; laws that run through local &quot;Anti-Drug&quot; statutes, enable the State in its own worst addiction, that to the plunder of private property. 

In Matt&#039;s world, anyone who has ever been seen &quot;blowing a doob&quot; in High School, or &quot;doin&#039; a line&quot; years before on a company ski trip, could, with a single deft &quot;plant&quot; by authorities, find himself serving time in a State penitentiary...and his private property sold at auction - even if the home-owner was &lt;i&gt;purposefully&lt;/i&gt; incriminated to cover for state incompetence, and the state&#039;s rationale for its warrant 
was gossip, as in, &quot;I [someone] saw him/her do [fill in naughty item] once!&quot;

What has happened to my America?

I bookmarked your site today, and I&#039;ll be checking to see how the &quot;Chesapeake Mess&quot; turns out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of all the comments in this controversial thread, it is Matt&#8217;s comment that worried me most.</p>
<p>Any time contraband is planted by a state agent to rationalize a &#8220;dry&#8221; raid (one where no unlawful substance or behavior was observed by authorities), according to Matt&#8217;s thinking, the &#8220;smack-plant&#8221; should not be considered a crime&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;if the State&#8217;ll only present (plant?) some hear-say testimony of prior (not immediate) drug-usage by the raided home-owner.  This, in Matt&#8217;s view, is enough to spring the &#8220;smack-planters,&#8221; and convict the home-owner.</p>
<p>Worrisome.   Very worrisome.  My skin&#8217;s crawling in fact.</p>
<p>Matt&#8217;s approach would, in light of the &#8220;Asset-Seizure&#8221; laws that run through local &#8220;Anti-Drug&#8221; statutes, enable the State in its own worst addiction, that to the plunder of private property. </p>
<p>In Matt&#8217;s world, anyone who has ever been seen &#8220;blowing a doob&#8221; in High School, or &#8220;doin&#8217; a line&#8221; years before on a company ski trip, could, with a single deft &#8220;plant&#8221; by authorities, find himself serving time in a State penitentiary&#8230;and his private property sold at auction &#8211; even if the home-owner was <i>purposefully</i> incriminated to cover for state incompetence, and the state&#8217;s rationale for its warrant<br />
was gossip, as in, &#8220;I [someone] saw him/her do [fill in naughty item] once!&#8221;</p>
<p>What has happened to my America?</p>
<p>I bookmarked your site today, and I&#8217;ll be checking to see how the &#8220;Chesapeake Mess&#8221; turns out.</p>
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