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		<title>By: I&#8217;ve been too easy on Cato &#171; Entitled to an Opinion</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-78862</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;ve been too easy on Cato &#171; Entitled to an Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] feds do is. UPDATE: Julian Sanchez tears Pilon up here and points some other sins from Cato. Balko tries to defend Cato, but finds this unforgivable. I agree with him on what kind of dissent is proper for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] feds do is. UPDATE: Julian Sanchez tears Pilon up here and points some other sins from Cato. Balko tries to defend Cato, but finds this unforgivable. I agree with him on what kind of dissent is proper for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71655</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I shouldn't say those are necessarily the primary reasons, but they are apparently in your mind a major reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I shouldn&#8217;t say those are necessarily the primary reasons, but they are apparently in your mind a major reason.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71654</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason I come here is because you're the only beltway libertarian whose work I still have largely unqualified respect for. You've made your share of mistakes like jumping in too soon in the Jena 6 case, but your work as a reporter actually is the sort of investigative journalism that is commendable. I didn't say that I agree with Raimondo about his characterization of you or your work for Fox News. However, if you are honest you will admit that there is a disturbing tendency in Northern Virginia for "libertarians" to be wishy washy about their views on how far the state should get involved. The ones that come to mine as the most immediate transgressors of this are the ones that work for the Progress and Freedom Foundation's intellectual property wing, who have no shortage of support for IP mandates on manufacturers and private citizens.

I would like to remind you that sweeping labels like "wackos" can catch up a lot of intelligent people or people who while normally nuts, are actually very right about something deemed a "conspiracy theory."  The idea that a new constitution was being drafted instead of changes to the Articles of Confederation would have indeed sounded like a kooky conspiracy theory during that convention, but it happened in secret nonetheless. The European Union, despite having an official existence of less than 20 years, celebrated its 50th anniversary not that long ago. This is why a number of people don't think Ron Paul is a nut when he talks about the North American Union (there is precedent for this sort of behavior).

As to those attitudes being the primary reason why the War on Drugs is maintained, that is bunch of pure bullshit. There are many reasons why it is maintained, not the least of which is that most white and asian families don't want their own kids using drugs, and there are plenty of people who damn the consequences and go gung ho out of principle. Racism is by now an afterthought to most supporters of the War on Drugs. It'd rank right up there with marijuana makes you smell like shit after you've smoked up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I come here is because you&#8217;re the only beltway libertarian whose work I still have largely unqualified respect for. You&#8217;ve made your share of mistakes like jumping in too soon in the Jena 6 case, but your work as a reporter actually is the sort of investigative journalism that is commendable. I didn&#8217;t say that I agree with Raimondo about his characterization of you or your work for Fox News. However, if you are honest you will admit that there is a disturbing tendency in Northern Virginia for &#8220;libertarians&#8221; to be wishy washy about their views on how far the state should get involved. The ones that come to mine as the most immediate transgressors of this are the ones that work for the Progress and Freedom Foundation&#8217;s intellectual property wing, who have no shortage of support for IP mandates on manufacturers and private citizens.</p>
<p>I would like to remind you that sweeping labels like &#8220;wackos&#8221; can catch up a lot of intelligent people or people who while normally nuts, are actually very right about something deemed a &#8220;conspiracy theory.&#8221;  The idea that a new constitution was being drafted instead of changes to the Articles of Confederation would have indeed sounded like a kooky conspiracy theory during that convention, but it happened in secret nonetheless. The European Union, despite having an official existence of less than 20 years, celebrated its 50th anniversary not that long ago. This is why a number of people don&#8217;t think Ron Paul is a nut when he talks about the North American Union (there is precedent for this sort of behavior).</p>
<p>As to those attitudes being the primary reason why the War on Drugs is maintained, that is bunch of pure bullshit. There are many reasons why it is maintained, not the least of which is that most white and asian families don&#8217;t want their own kids using drugs, and there are plenty of people who damn the consequences and go gung ho out of principle. Racism is by now an afterthought to most supporters of the War on Drugs. It&#8217;d rank right up there with marijuana makes you smell like shit after you&#8217;ve smoked up.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71646</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't have time to respond to a 5,000-word article on internal libertarian squabbling.  Julian does here:

http://juliansanchez.com/notes/archives/2008/01/one_last_word.php

But if you're really willing to bite on the wild-eyed Orange-Line Mafia conspiracy crap Raimondo's selling, be my guest.  No one is forcing you to read this site.

I stopped advocating for Paul because I learned that he and Rockwell made a cynical, calculated decision to profit politically and financially by appealing to racists and wackos.  Paul helped perpetuate the attitudes that still plague the drug war and the criminal justice system -- the stuff I write about every day.

It's that simple.  I liked him.  The stuff in the newsletters offended me, took me off guard, and made me embarrassed for having supported him.  Also taught me a lesson about ever getting too excited about a politician.  In the end, it's still a politician.

If you can read those newsletters and not find them offensive, well, that's your problem, not mine.  And if you don't find them offensive, then maybe this site isn't for you.  Try VDARE.com.

Yes, you can isolate a few of the passages, and they seem fairly innocuous. But many are openly bigoted.  And taken together, I don't think anyone with a lick of common sense can dispute the ugliness and the blatant appeal to the basest of prejudices they represent.  And by appealing to those prejudices, the newsletters also reinforced them.  I want no part of that.

I'm also done commenting on all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have time to respond to a 5,000-word article on internal libertarian squabbling.  Julian does here:</p>
<p><a href="http://juliansanchez.com/notes/archives/2008/01/one_last_word.php" rel="nofollow">http://juliansanchez.com/notes/archives/2008/01/one_last_word.php</a></p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re really willing to bite on the wild-eyed Orange-Line Mafia conspiracy crap Raimondo&#8217;s selling, be my guest.  No one is forcing you to read this site.</p>
<p>I stopped advocating for Paul because I learned that he and Rockwell made a cynical, calculated decision to profit politically and financially by appealing to racists and wackos.  Paul helped perpetuate the attitudes that still plague the drug war and the criminal justice system &#8212; the stuff I write about every day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that simple.  I liked him.  The stuff in the newsletters offended me, took me off guard, and made me embarrassed for having supported him.  Also taught me a lesson about ever getting too excited about a politician.  In the end, it&#8217;s still a politician.</p>
<p>If you can read those newsletters and not find them offensive, well, that&#8217;s your problem, not mine.  And if you don&#8217;t find them offensive, then maybe this site isn&#8217;t for you.  Try VDARE.com.</p>
<p>Yes, you can isolate a few of the passages, and they seem fairly innocuous. But many are openly bigoted.  And taken together, I don&#8217;t think anyone with a lick of common sense can dispute the ugliness and the blatant appeal to the basest of prejudices they represent.  And by appealing to those prejudices, the newsletters also reinforced them.  I want no part of that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also done commenting on all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ochressandro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ochressandro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunh.  I don't think that Raimondo piece is bullshit at all.  In fact, it seemed downright reasonable to me.

Perhaps you're drawing your conclusion about his disdain for you being due to your Fox column from somewhere else, as he certainly never says any such thing in that piece.  But I gathered that his disdain centered more around your willingness to jump on the anti-Paul bandwagon, apparently without first reading the entire context of the quotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunh.  I don&#8217;t think that Raimondo piece is bullshit at all.  In fact, it seemed downright reasonable to me.</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;re drawing your conclusion about his disdain for you being due to your Fox column from somewhere else, as he certainly never says any such thing in that piece.  But I gathered that his disdain centered more around your willingness to jump on the anti-Paul bandwagon, apparently without first reading the entire context of the quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71635</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As post #1 said, Cato has been infiltrated by neocons, just like the Republican party and NRA have slowly been infiltrated.  This is subterfuge, and is what I'd do if I were insidious.  It might take a few generations, but incrementalism is used so 20+ years go by and then once the harm is obvious, everyone wonders "how did we get here"?  Look up the Fabian Society.  Gradualism/incrementalism, it's all the same.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.  DO NOT BLINK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As post #1 said, Cato has been infiltrated by neocons, just like the Republican party and NRA have slowly been infiltrated.  This is subterfuge, and is what I&#8217;d do if I were insidious.  It might take a few generations, but incrementalism is used so 20+ years go by and then once the harm is obvious, everyone wonders &#8220;how did we get here&#8221;?  Look up the Fabian Society.  Gradualism/incrementalism, it&#8217;s all the same.</p>
<p>The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.  DO NOT BLINK.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick T</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71608</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god that article is awful.  He cites exceptions to the Warrant requirement in domestic police work and then, argues that this means the President should be able to do whatever he wants. Huh? What a fucking moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god that article is awful.  He cites exceptions to the Warrant requirement in domestic police work and then, argues that this means the President should be able to do whatever he wants. Huh? What a fucking moron.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71603</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is increasingly clear is that there is no real libertarian movement anymore than there is a conservative one anymore. The Ron Paul debacle seems to be libertarians what the Bush presidency has been for conservatives. Officially both may still exist, but in practice, the divisions are extreme enough that we are separate factions with a good deal of overlap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is increasingly clear is that there is no real libertarian movement anymore than there is a conservative one anymore. The Ron Paul debacle seems to be libertarians what the Bush presidency has been for conservatives. Officially both may still exist, but in practice, the divisions are extreme enough that we are separate factions with a good deal of overlap.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71601</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Precisely what is bullshit about it? Why don't you publicly offer him a chance to debate with you, uncensored here or at Reason's website? Your response was pretty bloody emotional, and lacking in details as to why it was any of the things you said it was, and that makes it hard to convince anyone of your claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely what is bullshit about it? Why don&#8217;t you publicly offer him a chance to debate with you, uncensored here or at Reason&#8217;s website? Your response was pretty bloody emotional, and lacking in details as to why it was any of the things you said it was, and that makes it hard to convince anyone of your claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71595</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the second time WSJ has targeted a libertarian with a distinctly non-libertarian message to "teach the controversy" (as the intelligent designers say).  It is a way of weakening the overall position of the movement.

The previous time was when they published whats-his-face talking about pro-war libertarians and Ron Paul.  What was that guy's name?  I totally forget and I am too lazy to look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the second time WSJ has targeted a libertarian with a distinctly non-libertarian message to &#8220;teach the controversy&#8221; (as the intelligent designers say).  It is a way of weakening the overall position of the movement.</p>
<p>The previous time was when they published whats-his-face talking about pro-war libertarians and Ron Paul.  What was that guy&#8217;s name?  I totally forget and I am too lazy to look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71586</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Raimondo piece is bullshit.  I thought about responding to it, but it's so chock full of inaccuracies, outright lies, and wacko conspiracy theories, it would have taken me a full day to do it justice.

But I'll give you one example:  He accuses me of being part of his Koch-Cato-Neocon conspiracy.  Why?  Because I write a column for Fox News.  Never mind that I have used that column to sing Ron Paul's praises three times (that I can remember), and have used it to bash Bush, the war, and neocons dozens of times.  No, in Raimondo's world, merely writing for Fox is proof enough that I'm pro-war, pro-Bush, pro-neocon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Raimondo piece is bullshit.  I thought about responding to it, but it&#8217;s so chock full of inaccuracies, outright lies, and wacko conspiracy theories, it would have taken me a full day to do it justice.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll give you one example:  He accuses me of being part of his Koch-Cato-Neocon conspiracy.  Why?  Because I write a column for Fox News.  Never mind that I have used that column to sing Ron Paul&#8217;s praises three times (that I can remember), and have used it to bash Bush, the war, and neocons dozens of times.  No, in Raimondo&#8217;s world, merely writing for Fox is proof enough that I&#8217;m pro-war, pro-Bush, pro-neocon.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71584</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

Check out &lt;a href="http://www.takimag.com/site/article/why_the_beltway_libertarians_are_trying_to_smear_ron_paul/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Justin Raimondo's take on the attacks on Ron Paul&lt;/a&gt; by beltway libertarians. Then compare that to David Boaz's outrage over Ron Paul &lt;a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/01/11/ron-pauls-ugly-newsletters/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://www.takimag.com/site/article/why_the_beltway_libertarians_are_trying_to_smear_ron_paul/" rel="nofollow">Justin Raimondo&#8217;s take on the attacks on Ron Paul</a> by beltway libertarians. Then compare that to David Boaz&#8217;s outrage over Ron Paul <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/01/11/ron-pauls-ugly-newsletters/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: divadab</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71582</link>
		<dc:creator>divadab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHoa there, Radley! A little sensitive, are we?

Just consider that Faux News uses tame commenters who diverge from the party line to give themselves "free and balanced" cover, much as the Republicans use Lieberman to give themselves "bipartisan" cover. Consider Hannity's sidekick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHoa there, Radley! A little sensitive, are we?</p>
<p>Just consider that Faux News uses tame commenters who diverge from the party line to give themselves &#8220;free and balanced&#8221; cover, much as the Republicans use Lieberman to give themselves &#8220;bipartisan&#8221; cover. Consider Hannity&#8217;s sidekick.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank N Stein</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71579</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank N Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm hoping someone out there can come up with a comparison of the reactions of the beltway libertarians over the Ron Paul newsletters vs. Pilon's editorial. For instance, the measure of embarrassment and need to publically and vocally distance themselves from the offending party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping someone out there can come up with a comparison of the reactions of the beltway libertarians over the Ron Paul newsletters vs. Pilon&#8217;s editorial. For instance, the measure of embarrassment and need to publically and vocally distance themselves from the offending party.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71578</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;The problem is that people think you’re the pig’s friend.&lt;&lt;

If that's the case, they've never read what I write for Fox.

And if they can't trouble themselves to actually read what I've written before denouncing me, then I'm not going to bother taking them seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>The problem is that people think you’re the pig’s friend.<<</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, they&#8217;ve never read what I write for Fox.</p>
<p>And if they can&#8217;t trouble themselves to actually read what I&#8217;ve written before denouncing me, then I&#8217;m not going to bother taking them seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71577</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley makes a great point about principled libertarians working for corporations.  If you're an uncompromising libertarian, I don't know how you'd find work in Corporate America.  

I currently work for a company that gets a big chunk of its business from the ethanol industry.  Previous to that, I worked at an ad agency that received tax money for job training and hiring.  Yeah, I don't like those practices.  But my opposition isn't nearly as important as providing my family with a stable income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley makes a great point about principled libertarians working for corporations.  If you&#8217;re an uncompromising libertarian, I don&#8217;t know how you&#8217;d find work in Corporate America.  </p>
<p>I currently work for a company that gets a big chunk of its business from the ethanol industry.  Previous to that, I worked at an ad agency that received tax money for job training and hiring.  Yeah, I don&#8217;t like those practices.  But my opposition isn&#8217;t nearly as important as providing my family with a stable income.</p>
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		<title>By: divadab</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71576</link>
		<dc:creator>divadab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley - I think it may come to that (living off the grid). I think it's going to get much much worse before it gets better, if it ever does. And chaotic times create a huge opportunity for fascists (let's call a spade a spade) to "restore order". Look at how much mileage the fuckers got (and continue to get) from 9-11.

That said, I recognize the merit of your "inside the belly of the pig" argument. The problem is that people think you're the pig's friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley - I think it may come to that (living off the grid). I think it&#8217;s going to get much much worse before it gets better, if it ever does. And chaotic times create a huge opportunity for fascists (let&#8217;s call a spade a spade) to &#8220;restore order&#8221;. Look at how much mileage the fuckers got (and continue to get) from 9-11.</p>
<p>That said, I recognize the merit of your &#8220;inside the belly of the pig&#8221; argument. The problem is that people think you&#8217;re the pig&#8217;s friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Persona non grata</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71575</link>
		<dc:creator>Persona non grata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Roger Pilon crib his article from the neo-radicals talking-points(conservative they are not)?  What Roger Pilon espouses is for us, US citizens, to give up our liberties or we  all may die in some diabolical islamo-facist-terrorist plot.

What tripe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Roger Pilon crib his article from the neo-radicals talking-points(conservative they are not)?  What Roger Pilon espouses is for us, US citizens, to give up our liberties or we  all may die in some diabolical islamo-facist-terrorist plot.</p>
<p>What tripe!</p>
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		<title>By: divadab</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71574</link>
		<dc:creator>divadab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bronwyn - thanks for the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bronwyn - thanks for the correction.</p>
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		<title>By: Radley Balko</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/30/a-vigorous-rogering/#comment-71573</link>
		<dc:creator>Radley Balko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) I don't work at Cato anymore.  Haven't in more than a year.

2) Fox publishes whatever I send them.  They rarely if ever censor me (the only time I can recall is when I wrote a column directly attacking Bill O'Reilly).  If I can reach the Fox audience with a libertarian message, why wouldn't I?  How is it any different than, say, a libertarian writing a column for the New York Times or Washington Post?  Or should principled people turn down that opportunity, too?  Should we only write for publications read by other libertarians?  How exactly does that advance the cause of liberty?

Also, it's awfully easy to demand other people show the courage of their convictions by resigning.  Even Beltway wonks have to make a living.  You're never going to work for an organization that you agree with 100 percent of the time.  Should all principled libertarians also resign from corporations that engage in rent seeking?  To imply that you're implicitly endorsing everything said organization does because you haven't resigned is pretty silly.  If that were the case, we'd all be living off the grid, stocking bottled water and living off subsistence farming somewhere in Idaho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) I don&#8217;t work at Cato anymore.  Haven&#8217;t in more than a year.</p>
<p>2) Fox publishes whatever I send them.  They rarely if ever censor me (the only time I can recall is when I wrote a column directly attacking Bill O&#8217;Reilly).  If I can reach the Fox audience with a libertarian message, why wouldn&#8217;t I?  How is it any different than, say, a libertarian writing a column for the New York Times or Washington Post?  Or should principled people turn down that opportunity, too?  Should we only write for publications read by other libertarians?  How exactly does that advance the cause of liberty?</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s awfully easy to demand other people show the courage of their convictions by resigning.  Even Beltway wonks have to make a living.  You&#8217;re never going to work for an organization that you agree with 100 percent of the time.  Should all principled libertarians also resign from corporations that engage in rent seeking?  To imply that you&#8217;re implicitly endorsing everything said organization does because you haven&#8217;t resigned is pretty silly.  If that were the case, we&#8217;d all be living off the grid, stocking bottled water and living off subsistence farming somewhere in Idaho.</p>
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