Comments on: “Privacy and Security Are a Zero-Sum Game” http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:36:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: I’ve been too easy on Cato « Entitled to an Opinion http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-77506 I’ve been too easy on Cato « Entitled to an Opinion Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:45:48 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-77506 [...] (and Cato more generally) here, as would be expected. The Man has not yet mentioned it, but he did highlight this on the false dichotomy between our liberties and security, pointing out how useless most of [...] [...] (and Cato more generally) here, as would be expected. The Man has not yet mentioned it, but he did highlight this on the false dichotomy between our liberties and security, pointing out how useless most of [...]

]]> By: Nick T http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-71609 Nick T Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:46:43 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-71609 CK, Actually HIPAA releases only release information that existed as of the date the release is signed, so future information is not even authorized to be shared with the specific individual. Also it's important to remember that saying privilege does not exist, is very different from saying anyone can go an get your info. Doctors are still ethically and sometimes legally bound by confidentiality which is different from privilege. CK,

Actually HIPAA releases only release information that existed as of the date the release is signed, so future information is not even authorized to be shared with the specific individual.

Also it’s important to remember that saying privilege does not exist, is very different from saying anyone can go an get your info. Doctors are still ethically and sometimes legally bound by confidentiality which is different from privilege.

]]> By: CK http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-71499 CK Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:36:54 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-71499 There is however a neat continuum running from privacy to convenience. We see it every day on the web, in our grocery mega stores, in our banking etc. etc. You want the convenience of institutionalized memory about your book preferences, your food purchases, your monthly bills, you give up privacy. The problem of course is that once you give away your privacy to kroegers, you have also given it to anyone with a warrant. Sign a HIPAA form with your doctor, doctor/patient priviledge no longer exists for your interactions with that doctor. If you have deposited information re your reading preferences with Amazon, you have given same to any political unit capable of issuing a warrant. There is however a neat continuum running from privacy to convenience. We see it every day on the web, in our grocery mega stores, in our banking etc. etc. You want the convenience of institutionalized memory about your book preferences, your food purchases, your monthly bills, you give up privacy.
The problem of course is that once you give away your privacy to kroegers, you have also given it to anyone with a warrant. Sign a HIPAA form with your doctor, doctor/patient priviledge no longer exists for your interactions with that doctor.
If you have deposited information re your reading preferences with Amazon, you have given same to any political unit capable of issuing a warrant.

]]> By: Zeb http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-71466 Zeb Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:00:02 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-71466 Interesting comment about China being more of a police state than the US. Interesting comment about China being more of a police state than the US.

]]> By: Zeb http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-71467 Zeb Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:00:02 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-71467 Interesting comment about China being less of a police state than the US. Interesting comment about China being less of a police state than the US.

]]> By: Nick T http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-71456 Nick T Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:34:17 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-71456 I think Mr. Schneier makes the great point of looking to active security measures as opposed to invasive ones. In the wake of 911 we should have seen a political movement to invest tons of money into more intelligence agents or quick-strike military forces or new programs working with other countries to find and destroy terrorists, instead, we got the god-awful and useless Patriot Act. I know to libertarians, new expensive government programs aren't great either, but if we were gonna get whipped up into a frenzy about something, it should not have involved compromising our civil liberties. It's rather telling that these Security/Intelligence experts were so quick to attack our fundamental freedoms using 911, rather obviously, as a pretext. I think Mr. Schneier makes the great point of looking to active security measures as opposed to invasive ones. In the wake of 911 we should have seen a political movement to invest tons of money into more intelligence agents or quick-strike military forces or new programs working with other countries to find and destroy terrorists, instead, we got the god-awful and useless Patriot Act.

I know to libertarians, new expensive government programs aren’t great either, but if we were gonna get whipped up into a frenzy about something, it should not have involved compromising our civil liberties. It’s rather telling that these Security/Intelligence experts were so quick to attack our fundamental freedoms using 911, rather obviously, as a pretext.

]]> By: Brian http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-71444 Brian Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:42:40 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-71444 Part of me wishes we were back in a crime wave, just so police had real shit to do again. Part of me wishes we were back in a crime wave, just so police had real shit to do again.

]]> By: Bernard http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-71442 Bernard Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:21:26 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-71442 'the Britain'? I'm not sure where that is. Somewhere near the UK perhaps. ‘the Britain’? I’m not sure where that is. Somewhere near the UK perhaps.

]]> By: Bernard http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-71441 Bernard Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:20:51 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-71441 The truth of his commentary has been proven conclusively in the Britain where even before the ID card rollout security loopholes and data protection issues have been uncovered on a weekly basis. Even the morons who at one point favoured ID cards because 'if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear' are starting to see sense. The truth of his commentary has been proven conclusively in the Britain where even before the ID card rollout security loopholes and data protection issues have been uncovered on a weekly basis. Even the morons who at one point favoured ID cards because ‘if you’ve nothing to hide you’ve nothing to fear’ are starting to see sense.

]]> By: Matt http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/comment-page-1/#comment-71435 Matt Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:30:17 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/29/privacy-and-security-are-a-zero-sum-game/#comment-71435 "It’s liberty versus control. " This is an important statement, a truism not merely of the topic at hand but of practically ALL political topics -- universal healthcare, immigration, war, terrorism are not primarily issues in their own right, but means by which politicians attempt to expand their control of the population. “It’s liberty versus control. ” This is an important statement, a truism not merely of the topic at hand but of practically ALL political topics — universal healthcare, immigration, war, terrorism are not primarily issues in their own right, but means by which politicians attempt to expand their control of the population.

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