Update on Chesapeake Drug Raid

Tuesday, January 22nd, 2008

A local television station has obtained copies of the search warrants leading to the drug raid in which 28-year-old Ryan Frederick shot and killed police officer Jarrod Shivers.

The initial warrant claims a confidential informant told police Frederick was operating a sophisticated marijuana grow operation in a detached garage near his home. The warrant says the informant first informed police about the operation in November, and that the informant was in both the garage and Frederick’s bedroom within 72 hours of the raid. The raid seems to have been conducted solely on the word of the informant. It makes no mention of a controlled buy at the house, nor does it mention any surveillance or other corroborating investigation.

Let’s assume the informant was telling the truth. Why in the world was the forced entry necessary? If this guy was running a sophisticated grow with hydroponics and a watering system, there’s no way in hell he could have disposed of the evidence. Why not wait until he wasn’t home to execute the search warrant? Why force confrontation? Frederick had no prior criminal record. Even if he were growing plants, it’s hard to fathom that a guy would knowingly kill a police officer over some marijuana plants.

Here’s where it gets weird. After the initial raid, the police obtained a second search warrant to go back into the home. The return sheet for that warrant lists a gun, some ammunition, a "shoe," a TV, and few other items. It says nothing about any drugs, hydroponic equipment, or drug paraphernalia. Perhaps the police only searched the house on the second sweep, and didn’t search the detached garage. But it’s been more than four days now, and police have yet to say anything about finding any drugs at all in Frederick’s home, much less a major marijuana operation in his garage. When police legitimately find drugs in one of these raids, that’s generally one of the first things they release to the public. It makes the raid appear justified. And it makes the suspect appear guilty. Perhaps they’ll come forward with all of this in ensuing days. But right now, it’s odd that they haven’t.

The article also mentions that the court had to postpone Frederick’s arraignment because he hasn’t been able to find an attorney.

Note: Please refrain from making disparaging remarks about Officer Shivers in the comments section. The man left behind a family. We also don’t yet know what happened. Criticize the policy and tactics all you like. There will be lots of time to figure out what happened in this particular case. But let Officer Shivers’ family mourn. Going forward, comments calling for the death of cops–or celebrating the death of this one–will not be tolerated.

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40 Responses to “Update on Chesapeake Drug Raid”

  1. #1 |  Concerned Citizen | 

    There will be lots of time to figure out what happened in this particular case. But let Officer Shivers’ family mourn. Going forward, comments calling for the death of cops–or celebrating the death of this one–will not be tolerated.

    That’s all well and good. Too bad Officer Shivers’ “brothers” haven’t taken that approach. They’re already got Frederick’s head on a spit:

    http://www.policelink.com/news/articles/9395-cop-killer-in-custody-after-standoff

  2. #2 |  Radley Balko | 

    Yeah, some of those posts are pretty chilling.

    But no need to wade into the muck. Please keep this thread clean. I wouldn’t advise going over there, either. It’s a memorial site. You aren’t going to win anyone over. There are better forums to discuss tactics, the drug war, etc.

  3. #3 |  Sydney Carton | 

    The comments on that Policelink thread are very instructive. They basically don’t believe that the guy could be innocent. I wonder if in response to situations like this, the police tend to just double-down and think that if only MORE force was applied, if MORE violence was used, if MORE lines were blurred, then that officer would still be alive.

    I don’t think police believe in the law anymore. I think they believe in enforcing their own power. Looking at that thread, they all seem to think that it’s a SHAME that the man was arrested alive, instead of gunned down in retaliation.

    I used to trust a lot of cops but not anymore.

  4. #4 |  LibertyPlease | 

    While I do genuinely sympathize with Officer Shivers’ family, I have to sympathize with my own more. How do I protect myself against these self-righteous animals, especially when they have the whole of the taxpayer-funded bureaucracy on their side?

  5. #5 |  LibertyPlease | 

    Four comments in, from LAPDEdOShea:

    Hello, F-ing cover fire Gents, get the job done! This is really something that pisses me off, we are breeding a bunch of victimsnot warriors! If your fellow Warrior is going to be on point and he/she takes a round or gun fire???? Lay down SUPPRESSIVE FIRE A.S.A.P…

    So if someone invades my home and I (responsibly) defend it, I should expect “SUPPRESSIVE FIRE”? From a warrior!? What the fuck are my tax dollars supporting?!?

  6. #6 |  LibertyPlease | 

    Sorry Radley, I shouldn’t have gone over there….. It’s not a memorial site though.

  7. #7 |  Lou W | 

    Radley, I agree about there being no value in posting on that site, but DAMN, chilling is too weak to describe some of those comments.

  8. #8 |  Mikestermike | 

    Even in bloggos like this one, our comments are being copied and posted in both pro-cop-kill-all-the-baddies and pro-death-of-cops sites. Wild.
    Problem is, again, is the fixation that killing someone, no matter who it is, is a righteous solution…
    ala Iraq

  9. #9 |  Mike | 

    I’ve got to say, reading the comments over there make me sad for the state of law enforcement in this country. I’m going to be in the military, looking possibly for a career in military law enforcement (MPs, that sort of thing). I’ve got family friends who are cops. Most of them aren’t bad people. However, I guarantee that most of them (as well as most of my family, who are Reagan Republicans) would be on the side of the comments in that thread. Something along the lines of “they were wearing gear labeled police, they ‘knocked and announced,’ and if he wasn’t breaking the law he wouldn’t be in trouble.”

    If armed individuals are breaking into my home at night, you can bet they are going to be shot at. I say that knowing full well that they could very well be my family friends who are cops.

    That’s just really messed up. As far as I’m concerned, Det. Shivers is just another victim of the War on (some) Drugs.

  10. #10 |  GreginOz | 

    Radley, here is an interesting thing to contemplate: what are the chances of an Amerikan citizen being a) killed by a terrorist OR b) being killed by a law enFORCEment officer? Could an actuary work that out? What a funny plase the USSA would be if you are more likely to be killed by pigs than jihadists!

  11. #11 |  annemg | 

    I happen to be taking a few administration of justice courses right now, even though I have no desire to be in law enforcement. The statements of some of these people in class disturb me. Not only do some respond to the “Why do you want to be in law enforcement” question with “Because I want to carry a gun and shoot people,” several have written papers about how much better off the justice system would be without all of these pesky things like warrants and legal searches. It’s all I can do to not try and find the heaviest copy of the Constitution I can find, (really large print maybe? ha!) and throw it at them. Now that I see where they get their pool of applicants, I am not surprised that many police officers behave the way that they do, and treat our rights with such disrespect.

  12. #12 |  Lloyd Flack | 

    Since they are are pursuing capital murder charges they will be getting a death qualified jury. That is they will get a jury with an increased chance of convicting on the same evidence and I would suggest a jury predisposed towards wishful thinking about the reliability of the police. Not necessarily wishful thinking about their honesty so much as wishful thinking about the chance of the police stuffing up.

    True, there is a lot that hasn’t been revealed but on the evidence that is available so far it looks like a police stuff up. I would suggest that rather than charging the homeowner with murder it might be appropriate to charge the police officer who ordered the raid on flimsy evidence with manslaughter.

  13. #13 |  Tom | 

    Regarding some of the comments on the police board, I’d chalk most of it up to tempers and righteous anger. That’s an early reaction. Let’s see what happens as the case develops. After the Cory Maye and Kathryn Johnston cases, the attention that this one is getting (here, and elsewhere), can probably help to bring everything to light.

    I’ll just say, as far as some of those comments go, particularly if any of them are from individuals involved with the case itself, they might just be handing the suspect’s defense attorney at least grounds for a change of venue motion, if not insight into the mindset and tactics of the officers involved.

  14. #14 |  Jerry | 

    Sad all around and totally unavoidable. Why do police continue the shock and awe campaigns when arresting someone outside their house would seem the best way to diffuse the situation. If there is little to no chance that the person is a danger to someone else, how hard would it be to arrest them on the way out the door and then search the house.

    My father was a cop for 20+ years and the reason he got out was of the gung ho mentality that was coming in with the younger cops who wanted guns and badges and the power that went with it.

    I pretty much distrust most cops and don’t really care that there are only a few bad ones. If they are part of the code of slience, then they all are bad and not worthy of my respect.

  15. #15 |  OrpheusRed | 

    “I pretty much distrust most cops and don’t really care that there are only a few bad ones.”

    Hmmm… Well doing some back of the envelope bits on the recent bit about prostitution in the Windy-city. Given that 1 in 450 tricks leads to arrest. Given that 3% of sex is police privelege for protection. Given that there were 3500 annual arrests. That gives us a total estimate of 47,250 rapes by police in Chicago per annum.

    Given that Chitown has a sworn staffing (according to Wikipedia) of 13,619 officers we can take a best guess of 3.47 officer rapes/year. As a rough average this indicates that, on average, each sworn officer rapes a prositute once every 15 weeks.

    I freely grant this is not even close to evenly distributed; but it will do for now. I also would like to state that I have met the mythical Good Cop on a number of occasions; especially noteworthy as they were always a second car called when dealing with the apocryphal Bad Cop. They do exist in, apparently, horrific numbers. If you are to claim that this is a small number skewing the results this hard — which may be true — then the Good ones are protecting Bad ones that make Ted Bundy look like a saint.

    But the above needs to drive home the level of crime being perpetrated by those sworn to protect it. And this is just one particular crime of one particular class of victim.

    In no way does this justify cheering the death of anyone; nor does it excuse those police prevaricating for the death of Mr. Frederick. But we need to be watching the watchmen very critically.

  16. #16 |  ZappaCrappa | 

    Police motto change effective immediately! “Protect and Serve” will now read “Lock and Load”…please conduct yourselves accordingly.

    I shed no tears over these cops. Reap what you sow boys…reap what you sow.

  17. #17 |  kaptinemo | 

    In an aside from the obvious tragedy of this happening at all, why is it that whenever a pot grow is mentioned by police, it’s almost always ‘sophisticated’? That sounds like Dr. Frankenstein’s laboratory, with Jacob’s Ladders and Tesla coils sparking and snapping, and vats of horrid God-knows-what bubbling, and not some guy with a bunch of fluorescent lights and buckets trying to grow a rank weed. Do they believe that to be ‘sophisticated’? Then it’s a wonder they can clean their weapons without somebody standing over them.

  18. #18 |  Primus | 

    Television has as much to do with this situation as any other factor. Studies have shown that people who watch TV believe the world is a much more violent place than it really is. The public, as well as the cops, are being taught that all the bad guys are carrying guns and will shoot them as soon as look at them. It also teaches that the criminals are all black or brown. TV compresses events, making events from far away or long ago seem much more immediate. It also creates fictional violence. The human mind does not differentiate between fictional and real violence, it just records ‘impressions’ of violence. This elevated level of impressions of violence leads to an elevated sense of fear. When confronted with a sketchy situation like the one in the article, people who are fearful are likely to shoot first. TV is making the cops more fearful, but also confusing them as to their role in . Recently, a cop did something totally illegal, and justified it by saying he had seen it on TV so he assumed it was OK. It also teaches the centurions that they should act like a swaggering big-bellied southern sheriff, and trample all over our rights. This whole situation is the result. Out of control cops and fearful citizens is a very bad combination.

  19. #19 |  MikeT | 

    I think that this case is also a good example of how useless the mainstream media is, and how often the media will give an almost unquestioning account of the government’s side of things. Sure, they’ll say that they are just trying to be “ethical” or do their “civic duty,” but it’s all about not rocking the boat. In my opinion this is a perfect example of why the mainstream media should be considered nothing short of generally useless as a “watchdog.” The tone of that article written in for the Pilot was basically a pro-cop hit piece on the defendant here, and it wasn’t even remotely just an editorial. With reporting like this, no wonder the darkness thrives in law enforcement, since the light is being shone almost exclusively on everyone but the system.

  20. #20 |  Loren | 

    Let’s assume the informant was telling the truth. Why in the world was the forced entry necessary? If this guy was running a sophisticated grow with hydroponics and a watering system, there’s no way in hell he could have disposed of the evidence. Why not wait until he wasn’t home to execute the search warrant? Why force confrontation?

    OK, normally I’m on the same page with Radley on these matters, especially with regard to no-knocks, but I have to dissent here.

    First off, I haven’t seen anything in the news reports describing the type of entry or confrontation. Presumably it wasn’t a no-knock warrant, which should eliminate our standard concerns about their unique problems. But there’s yet to be any mention of anybody’s door being busted down, or people running in, or whatnot. Mr. Frederick himself mentioned shooting the officer through the door, so presumably they were still outside. There’s also the possibility that the officers were in plainclothes, which I’d say is a bad idea, but which doesn’t seem to play into your concerns above.

    Without knowing more about how the warrant was being carried out, it’s impossible to make much of the alleged growing operation. That would certainly make a no-knock absurd, but we don’t have a no-knock.

    And even assuming that the officers had the time or utility for determining when Mr. Frederick was away from home, if a search warrant is expected to go peacefully, there’s every reason to do it when the suspect IS home. From the police POV, it means that if something is found, they can make an arrest without having to track the suspect down later (after he’s been alerted that his place was searched). From the suspect’s POV, it means that you’re present to see the warrant yourself, oversee the search, witness any potential police misconduct, and make sure that the house is secured after the police leave.

    Would it really be preferable for police officers to regularly wait until they believed homes were unoccupied, and THEN bust down the doors? After all, when there’s no one to open the door, forced entry is a must. Then the suspect gets to return home to find his door busted down, his belongings scattered and potentially broken (or stolen, depending on how the neighbors responds to the open entry after the cops leave), and a warrant stapled to the door. Would that really be a BETTER way of executing search warrants?

  21. #21 |  Laughingdog | 

    “Would that really be a BETTER way of executing search warrants?”

    Well, if they are planning to force their way in either way, then I’d have to say yes to that one. At least if they bash it down while I’m gone, there is far less chance of someone being shot. Better still would to just swarm up as I come back home from work, or as I’m leaving for work.

  22. #22 |  Garrett J | 

    Radley-

    He still doesn’t have an attorney? Is there anything we can do to see about getting him one? I’m not from Virginia, so I have no idea how things work down there in terms of the criminal justice system. Any Virginia attorneys out there?

    I suppose I’m more of a sit-back-and-watch libertarian who’s never been particularly politically active, but this just seems to me to be the sort of situation where the time for action is now and not later. We don’t want Ryan Frederick to become the next Cory Maye. Maybe we don’t know all the facts yet, but the story just sounds all-to-familiar. At the very least, there’s got to be something we can do to get Mr. Frederick adequate representation.

    It’s all well and good for all of us readers to sit on our asses and shoot off our various comments, but is there something we can actually do?

  23. #23 |  Lee | 

    Here’s some things to think about:

    1) When a search warrant is executed, regardless of “knock and announce” or the evil “no knock”, if the suspect is sleeping or in a “not fully awake and alert” mode, then it’s not logical by any means to expect someone to process whatever they see and hear. It takes time to process sensory data, especially if you’re asleep. As humans, none of us are very alert even after waking up.

    2) Given the common sense in 1), it’s fair to say that the first reaction/instinct is to protect yourself – fight or flight. Adrenalin can do weird things to you, especially if you’re not used to having it pumping through your veins.

    3) Cops wearing things that say POLICE doesn’t mean they’re visible by the suspect. It could only be visible if the suspect is looking out their windows and observing what is going on outside, which common sense dictates probably RARELY happens.

    4) Hearing someone yell COPS doesn’t mean one should be submissive. Criminals can yell COPS just as easily. It has happened, look it up.

    Bottom line is that from a suspect’s perspective, none of the measures that cops take remotely guarantees that suspects should reasonably known it really was police, and therefore should be submissive and passive. It’s ludicrous to expect anything but a fight and possible death. Given that the police probably aren’t retarded and realize all of the above, it would tell me that they want to kill and/or create a hostile situation so they can throw a litany of bogus charges. This destroys a person’s life even if you’re found innocent because you have to provide bail for the pending charges, which scales with the seriousness of the charges.

    You have the right to defend ourselves by any means necessary. This is a God given right (and if you don’t believe in a creator, then it’s your natural right). The purpose of government is to PROTECT your God/natural given rights, not grant them to you.

    Policy needs to be reviewed and changed by police with morals and ethics, not ones with bloodlust and “assert my power because I have the corrupt system on my side” mentality. Review by We The People should be mandatory in all police departments. Police, prosecutors, and judges should be able to be sued for their actions. This would go a ways in making a lot of them be more honest about their actions.

  24. #24 |  Pat Lynch | 

    I truly feel bad for this officer, and am fighting the instict to say that once the officer made the choice to break the law/constitution, he signed his ownded death warrant. I don’t really believe that, but that’s the line you would have gotten from the PD had the shooting gone the other way.

  25. #25 |  Laughingdog | 

    TheWBALChannel.com
    Gunmen Pose As Police, Force Way Into Home
    POSTED: 1:52 pm EST November 29, 2006
    UPDATED: 1:58 pm EST November 29, 2006
    BALTIMORE — Baltimore city police are looking for four gunmen who posed as police officers to force their way into a home downtown.
    It happened in the 600 block of Mosher Street at about 2:30 a.m. on Tuesday.
    Police said one of the gunmen shot a 26-year-old man in the back and right arm as he tried to jump from a second-story window in order to escape.
    He is listed in good condition at Shock Trauma, officials said.
    Police said the gunmen also pistol-whipped several occupants before fleeing without any money or property.
    Copyright 2006 by TheWBALChannel.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

  26. #26 |  Loren | 

    Well, if they are planning to force their way in either way, then I’d have to say yes to that one.

    If they’re planning to force their way in regardless, then that’s a problem to address. I think most of us would agree that we’d prefer the knock and announce to provide enough time for a peaceful person to get to the door.

    At least if they bash it down while I’m gone, there is far less chance of someone being shot.

    Police can easily tell if a home is occupied (lights, cars, windows), but it’s hard to confirm that it’s unoccupied before entering. How many of these searches-gone-bad involve people sleeping or in bed? Instances where officers believed the home was unoccupied, and it wasn’t? In some cases there may be the possibility of unattended children in the home. We shouldn’t accept an automatic standard of forced entry because that only raises the risk for any possible unknown occupants.

    You say you stand less of a chance of getting shot if you’re gone. What are your odds of getting shot if you’re lying in bed with a headache, and suddenly hear your front door being busted in?

  27. #27 |  Ochressandro | 

    http://kob.com/article/stories/S321882.shtml?cat=0

    Albuquerque Police Department spokeswoman John Walsh says that Gloria Armijo and Samuel Lujan report six black men armed with pistols and rifles broke through the front door of the home at about 2 a.m. claiming to be police officers.

  28. #28 |  LibertyPlease | 

    From “Overkill” on pg 21:

    In July 2004, several men stormed a
    home near Houston, Texas, screaming
    “HPD, HPD!” referring to the Houston
    Police Department. Once inside, they
    took cash and jewelry and shot both of
    the home’s occupants. One was grazed,
    the other was critically injured.

  29. #29 |  LibertyPlease | 

    From “Overkill” on pg 53:

    On July 27, 2004, police in
    Houston, Texas, broke open the door of
    Blair Davis, a landscape contractor.
    Police screamed “Down on the Floor!
    Down on the Floor!” while pointing an
    assault weapon at Davis’s head. Davis’s
    first thought was that the invaders were
    criminals dressed as police, a continuing
    problem in the Houston area. A team of
    8–10 police officers pushed Davis to the
    ground and handcuffed him while they
    searched his home. They were acting on
    a tip from a confidential informant who
    said Davis was growing marijuana in his
    home. The plants in question turned
    out to be hibiscus plants. Police never
    apologized to Davis. Dan Webb, operations
    commander for the police team
    that conducted the raid, later said it was
    “unfortunate” that Davis “got caught
    up in this situation,” but that “if the situation
    came up today, we would’ve
    probably done the same thing.” Webb
    added, “It’s not a mistaken search warrant
    . . . if we believe it’s marijuana, until
    we go look at it, we’re not really going to
    know for sure,” overlooking the fact
    that an innocent person was needlessly
    terrorized due to his unit “not knowing
    for sure.”352

  30. #30 |  JTR | 

    It’s important to remember that this case is in it’s early stages of the investigation and will not be completed for several months. The Court has probably issued a gag order to limit the information released by the police department. I can assure you that the police department did not execute a no-knock search warrant just because the officers were searching for marijuana. In most States, the Court has to sign off on a no-knock warrant and the police must show a valid reason for the no-knock warrant before the Court will grant them. So I would not jump to conclusions about this case, like most people are already doing, until you get all the facts from the police department. Remember that an officer lost his life in this case and left behind a family. I can assure you this this officer had reason to ask the court for the type of warrant that was used. Lets be fare here and get the facts before you start slaming the police.

  31. #31 |  John David Galt | 

    I will respect your limits, though I do hold most of the views that can not be stated here.

    The war on drugs is really a covert war of race and culture (an attempt to force immigrants to assimilate), and was that way from its beginnings in the Civil War era — indeed, at the start that fact was quite explicit. The safety arguments weren’t even made before Harry Anslinger, and he made most of them up.

    The WoD is another holocaust, a violation of the human rights of people who have harmed nobody but themselves — and violates existing international law, including the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights which forbids cultural warfare.

    So I say, just legalizing dope isn’t nearly enough — there need to be “Nuremberg trials” of everyone who has voluntarily helped enact or enforce drug laws. Hopefully with the same ultimate penalty for the top architects of the War that Eichmann got at Nuremberg.

    If this be treason, make the most of it.

  32. #32 |  Brillianter.com | 

    SWAT officer killed in raid on wrong house…

    Virginia Cop Killed in Drug Raid; Suspect Says He Was Defending His Home

    The suspect had no criminal record (at least in the state of Virginia). And he says in an interview from jail he had no idea the undercover cops breaking into his home were poli…

  33. #33 |  Nick T | 

    JTR,

    “The Court has probably issued a gag order to limit the information released by the police department.”

    Why do you think this is “probable?” You state absolutely no reason other than to state what the funtion of a gag order is. As far as we know the case has just progressed only a little past Mr. Frederick being arraigned. Are you going to honestly submit that the court issued a gag order at the arraignment stage of the proceedings? Why is this kind information revealed so freely in many high profile criminal cases and gag orders typically only issued after a motion by the defendant, but things are different here? Please respond.

    “I can assure you that the police department did not execute a no-knock search warrant just because the officers were searching for marijuana.”

    How can you “assure” anyone of this? We have seen police in some parts of the country do EXACTLY that (see the comment before yours). So unless you know something about the inner-workings of this particular case you should not go assuring anyone of anything. I imagine you agree that it sounds so unreasonable that you’re just going to assure everybody it didn’t happen that way. Please try to be less of a transparent police apoligist, offering assurances and probabilities while telling us, in the same post no less, not to jump to any conclusions.

    And save that garbage about courts needng special reasons and the officer would have only used a good reason to ask for a no-knock warrant. That’s THE PROBLEM that this website is here to highlight: that courts don’t do enough to demand valid reasons for that level of force and police aren’t judicious enough to use it only when necessary.

    You left out how its such a tough job and none of us should speak until we’ve “walked the streets” blah blah blah.

    Try a little skepticism and distrust of your government officials once in a while, otherwise, thanks for adding to the problem.

  34. #34 |  Andrew | 

    I sympathize with Officer Shivers’ family. They’ve lost a husband and father, by all accounts a good man. But that doesn’t mean they get a free pass while Ryan Frederick is defamed and libeled (and worse) by Shivers’ co-workers, which will only serve to increase citizen distrust of police officers. I’d like to see Shivers’ family call for a “cease and desist” on the demonizing of Frederick.
    For the record, I’ve dealt with a number of peace officers in a number of different situations (protests, traffic stops, vehicle breakdowns). Some of them have been decent and done their job. Some have been assholes. Given all the abuses of civil liberties resulting from the War on Some People with Some Drugs, I am going to keep my mouth shut and demand what few rights I have left in future encounters with cops, should there be any,
    And as much as I’m against invasion of privacy, since police operate in the public sphere, I think they should have to wear video equipment (which can be small and unobtrusive) and that all videos taken during cases such as this be made part of the record. And if the cops don’t want to wear video, I would say to them the same thing they say to us citizens: “If you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.”

  35. #35 |  Loren | 

    How can you “assure” anyone of this? We have seen police in some parts of the country do EXACTLY that (see the comment before yours). So unless you know something about the inner-workings of this particular case you should not go assuring anyone of anything.

    Well, for one thing, the warrants have been released to the press, and they aren’t no-knock warrants.

    So although it doesn’t guarantee it, this at least raises the presumption that officers did, in fact, knock first.

  36. #36 |  ravenshrike | 

    Considering a knock and announce warrant is satisfied by knocking, and then saying the words “Police, Open Up.” in a conversational tone, that really doesn’t mean anything.

  37. #37 |  G | 

    I actually know Ryan and alot about the story, as well as one of the many reasons he thought he was being broken into. 3 weeks prior one of our friends mothers that lived nearby (2 streets over) to ryan had a home invasion happen, Our friends mother was in the house with others when two armed gunnmen kicked in her door and robbed her at gunpoint right at christmas. Then later Ryans shed had been broken into. So when the cop did not knock on the door and announce himself and ryan heard them kicking at the door panels he immediatly thought about the other incidents and thought he was being robbed.(now reports from the neighbors and one was outside at the time said they did not hear the police announce themselves and ryan has two dogs that were barking like crazy and thats what woke ryan up, so he may not have heard it unless they were loud anyway and the cops also could hear the dogs in the house barking) i’m not making excuses for him but i understand where is mindset was. Ryan was not into drugs really or anything major. He did smoke pot but only personally and did not deal it or use other hard drugs. So he would not have thought about it being the police at his door. This is very unfotunate and my heart goes out to the officers family but this incident could have been avoided and handeled differently, the police should have announced themselves, the officer that was shot had a vest on but it hapened so fast Ryan did not see any police signs on anything . I don’t believe he should be charged with first degree murder, involuntary manslauter would be more correct of a charge. The origional warrent was on the word a snitch trying to get him some leaneancy and thought he knew something but was wrong on his assumption.
    Police seized marijuana, lights, five tub containers, a smoking device, a fan, books and magazines and a pay stub during the search of Ryans home.
    As for the lights and containers the police found, Ryan was growing a banana tree as a hobby and was learning how to grow Japanese maple trees to plant in his yard and thats a fact.
    They could have easily served him a warrent by knocking on his door, waited for him to answer and handed it to him. Ryan is a small guy and i know at the time he did fear for his life.

  38. #38 |  Loren | 

    Considering a knock and announce warrant is satisfied by knocking, and then saying the words “Police, Open Up.” in a conversational tone, that really doesn’t mean anything.

    Sure it does. Nick asked how could we be assured that the police didn’t behave exactly like they have when executing other no-knock warrants. And the answer is because they didn’t have a no-knock warrant.

    Doesn’t mean there’s not plenty of other room where this could have executed better, though. In addition to the volume of the voices, there’s also the recurring issue of officers waiting only a few seconds between announcing and busting down the door, and not allowing enough time for a normal person to even reach the door.

    And after reading the newest articles, it raises the distinct possibility that the officers believed Mr. Frederick’s home to be unoccupied before they began their entry. If he was sleeping in a back room, it’s likely the only sign of occupation would be a vehicle in the driveway. The apparent lack of return fire would tend to suggest that the officers might not have been anticipating a violent confrontation.

  39. #39 |  nora davisson | 

    listen to whats being said. from everyone keystone cops are here your jail deputies, are dumping people out of thier wheelchairs when thier quadrupligit. in tampa we have undercover cops hiring informents with criminal records possesion of guns and drugs violation probation.and give them guns and hang out with guys .calls aka poppy he shows up chris sells aka poppy a gun from his wasteband of his pants and tells the undercover that they belong to mitch than he gets a warrant out on him.how does a parole violator sell hot guns and than blame someone else ,the cops here are terriost. i cant stand none of them………………….

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