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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Persona non grata</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/08/more-from-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-68524</link>
		<dc:creator>Persona non grata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>


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they could then work with the landlord to get into the unit to conduct the search while no one is home, instead of kicking down doors in the middle of the night while six children are inside.

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That won&#039;t ever happen because  SWAT wouldn&#039;t get the chance to play dress-up and terrorize the very people they are supposed to be protecting.  Nothing like a little pre-conditioning of the US population, Pavlov would be proud.  Sit, heel, roll-over, play-dead, never question authority and my favorite give us your money so as we, the state, may continue to oppress your neighbors. 


SWAT  = Terrorists

End prohibition now!</description>
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they could then work with the landlord to get into the unit to conduct the search while no one is home, instead of kicking down doors in the middle of the night while six children are inside.</p>
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<p>That won&#8217;t ever happen because  SWAT wouldn&#8217;t get the chance to play dress-up and terrorize the very people they are supposed to be protecting.  Nothing like a little pre-conditioning of the US population, Pavlov would be proud.  Sit, heel, roll-over, play-dead, never question authority and my favorite give us your money so as we, the state, may continue to oppress your neighbors. </p>
<p>SWAT  = Terrorists</p>
<p>End prohibition now!</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyPlease</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/08/more-from-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-68511</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyPlease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Often the police have the same personality types as the criminals - they are excitement junkies who work mostly because it’s so much FUN.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is a freighteningly criminal element to most who seek police work.  A family member of mine was into a lot of criminal mischief in their teens and subsequently went into law enforcement.  Many of their peers in the Criminal Justice major were also petty (and a few not so petty) criminals.  Me, never did much to harm anyone growing up.  Also, never inclined to enter law enforcement....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Often the police have the same personality types as the criminals &#8211; they are excitement junkies who work mostly because it’s so much FUN.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is a freighteningly criminal element to most who seek police work.  A family member of mine was into a lot of criminal mischief in their teens and subsequently went into law enforcement.  Many of their peers in the Criminal Justice major were also petty (and a few not so petty) criminals.  Me, never did much to harm anyone growing up.  Also, never inclined to enter law enforcement&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: EdinTally</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/08/more-from-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-68506</link>
		<dc:creator>EdinTally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had two similar experiences with this when I was a landlord.

The first one involved a tenant of mine who routinely called the police to complain that someone had broken into his apartment and stolen his underwear.  Needless to say, but his apartment was never burglarized and his underwear was secure.  On one such call, he informed the police that I was running a meth lab in my boiler room!  That&#039;s right, toxic/explosive chemicals in my boiler room.  The police battered down one of the blast doors and of course found nothing.  No response, no letter, and no apology from the police.

At a different location, a tenant informed me that they suspected another tenant was dealing drugs.  I never had a problem with the tenant but as luck would have it there were two officers around the corner sitting in their car.  The driver was a young kid who looked like he just graduated.  The passenger was obviously an old timer, probably there for training.  I told them what the tenant told me and the older officer said, and I quote, &quot;Money is money.&quot;

The biggest problem (imo) is that most stories are so outrageous, most people either dont believe them or thing they are very isolated incidents.........until of course it happens to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had two similar experiences with this when I was a landlord.</p>
<p>The first one involved a tenant of mine who routinely called the police to complain that someone had broken into his apartment and stolen his underwear.  Needless to say, but his apartment was never burglarized and his underwear was secure.  On one such call, he informed the police that I was running a meth lab in my boiler room!  That&#8217;s right, toxic/explosive chemicals in my boiler room.  The police battered down one of the blast doors and of course found nothing.  No response, no letter, and no apology from the police.</p>
<p>At a different location, a tenant informed me that they suspected another tenant was dealing drugs.  I never had a problem with the tenant but as luck would have it there were two officers around the corner sitting in their car.  The driver was a young kid who looked like he just graduated.  The passenger was obviously an old timer, probably there for training.  I told them what the tenant told me and the older officer said, and I quote, &#8220;Money is money.&#8221;</p>
<p>The biggest problem (imo) is that most stories are so outrageous, most people either dont believe them or thing they are very isolated incidents&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;until of course it happens to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/08/more-from-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-68505</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t understand.  Police work is low-pay and somewhat dangerous.  The FUN of &quot;kicking down doors in the middle of the night&quot; and terrifying the occupants is an essential NON-CASH BENEFIT of the job.  

Many officers are chemically-dependent on adrenalin.  If they can&#039;t kick a door a day, they go red lights and siren after a half dozen traffic offenders.  

Often the police have the same personality types as the criminals - they are excitement junkies who work mostly because it&#039;s so much FUN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t understand.  Police work is low-pay and somewhat dangerous.  The FUN of &#8220;kicking down doors in the middle of the night&#8221; and terrifying the occupants is an essential NON-CASH BENEFIT of the job.  </p>
<p>Many officers are chemically-dependent on adrenalin.  If they can&#8217;t kick a door a day, they go red lights and siren after a half dozen traffic offenders.  </p>
<p>Often the police have the same personality types as the criminals &#8211; they are excitement junkies who work mostly because it&#8217;s so much FUN.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What fun would it be to have the landlord let them in?  They wouldn&#039;t get to dress up in their army clothes and go shoot some shit up.  I mean, come on, what&#039;s a few dead poor people in comparison to looking cool and carrying a big gun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What fun would it be to have the landlord let them in?  They wouldn&#8217;t get to dress up in their army clothes and go shoot some shit up.  I mean, come on, what&#8217;s a few dead poor people in comparison to looking cool and carrying a big gun?</p>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been my experience that landlords commonly keep &lt;b&gt;keys&lt;/b&gt; to the property available.  But then, unlocking the door is never as much fun as beating it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been my experience that landlords commonly keep <b>keys</b> to the property available.  But then, unlocking the door is never as much fun as beating it down.</p>
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		<title>By: Leshrac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leshrac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professional police are now replaced by professional soldiers in a different uniform without the training to use different tactics. We are only viewed as the enemy at best, a target at worst, and collateral damage in their &quot;wars&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professional police are now replaced by professional soldiers in a different uniform without the training to use different tactics. We are only viewed as the enemy at best, a target at worst, and collateral damage in their &#8220;wars&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hayek</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/08/more-from-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-68473</link>
		<dc:creator>Hayek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley,

From a local perspective I can tell you that dealing with THIS particular Councilman would be just make make matters worse. 
The local libertarian paper has for several years now referenced Mr. Glenn as one of &quot;the three stooges&quot; on city council for his off the wall, nonsensical rants and penchant for getting TV face time.  Democracy being what it is, there sometimes is no rational explanation for what a constituency continues to elect. Glenn is a nutcase . I side w/ his indignation over this issue as it stinks to high heaven....but...the guy is STILL a moron.

You caught that the city decided to pay funeral expenses?  We&#039;re all waiting with baited breath to hear what the BCI and outside investigation turns up.  I for one, however, fully expect the normal &quot;cops were just shooting babies by the book&quot; response.

Thanks for keeping up on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley,</p>
<p>From a local perspective I can tell you that dealing with THIS particular Councilman would be just make make matters worse.<br />
The local libertarian paper has for several years now referenced Mr. Glenn as one of &#8220;the three stooges&#8221; on city council for his off the wall, nonsensical rants and penchant for getting TV face time.  Democracy being what it is, there sometimes is no rational explanation for what a constituency continues to elect. Glenn is a nutcase . I side w/ his indignation over this issue as it stinks to high heaven&#8230;.but&#8230;the guy is STILL a moron.</p>
<p>You caught that the city decided to pay funeral expenses?  We&#8217;re all waiting with baited breath to hear what the BCI and outside investigation turns up.  I for one, however, fully expect the normal &#8220;cops were just shooting babies by the book&#8221; response.</p>
<p>Thanks for keeping up on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This passage&quot; of what, Radley?  I don&#039;t see a link anywhere in that item.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This passage&#8221; of what, Radley?  I don&#8217;t see a link anywhere in that item.</p>
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		<title>By: BladeDoc</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/08/more-from-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-68460</link>
		<dc:creator>BladeDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the reason not to tell the landlord related to the government&#039;s ability to confiscate the property used for drug trafficking? I&#039;m not a big fan of drug use but if I owned rental property that the cops told me they were going to search for drugs I&#039;d have to think long and hard about not trying to get all such evidence out before the raid so as to not lose the property.

Wow, that sentence sucked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the reason not to tell the landlord related to the government&#8217;s ability to confiscate the property used for drug trafficking? I&#8217;m not a big fan of drug use but if I owned rental property that the cops told me they were going to search for drugs I&#8217;d have to think long and hard about not trying to get all such evidence out before the raid so as to not lose the property.</p>
<p>Wow, that sentence sucked.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the SWAT team as often as possible is about one thing:  Justifying the existence of the SWAT team.</description>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a matter of professionalism. If they had no reason to suspect the landlord, they could have gotten him to go with them, open the door, and surprise the family in the middle of the day without using a SWAT team. A &lt;em&gt;professional&lt;/em&gt; police force would have contacted the landlord, and used him to gain access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a matter of professionalism. If they had no reason to suspect the landlord, they could have gotten him to go with them, open the door, and surprise the family in the middle of the day without using a SWAT team. A <em>professional</em> police force would have contacted the landlord, and used him to gain access.</p>
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