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	<title>Comments on: Just How Dangerous Is Police Work?</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 16:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The opinions/perspectives of some of you are absolutely ridiculous. Why is it that traffic accident deaths get discounted somehow as illegitimate for police officers while probably 100% of fishing or logging deaths are accidents? I bet there is no other job that comes close to the percentage of people being deliberately killed at the hand of another as for cops. If you insist that &quot;accidents&quot; don&#039;t count for some reason, then that is the context you should use across the board and it shouldn&#039;t be included for any profession, and in that case, Law Enforcement tops this stupid list by an astronomical margin. When is the last time you heard about a fisherman getting shot in the head while he was eating his lunch?

Secondly, why is it that everyone assumes that cops are propagating the myth that theirs is the most dangerous job? That can be blamed on the ignorant media, so don&#039;t blame police for the misconception. As a police officer I can say that where we fall on the &quot;most dangerous jobs&quot; list was not even remotely a factor in why we signed up for this job, and does not figure into the decisions we make on the job each day. Trust me, we&#039;re not pining for respect and glory. These days that would be like becoming a stripper in order to gain academic admiration. It is a job that is unquestionably necessary regardless of the attention that it receives, negative or positive.

I think what bothers me most about this article is that the author thinks that the use of superior weapons and tactics needs to be justified. It&#039;s justified because it&#039;s inherently better (i.e; safer, more effective). There is not a single drawback for anyone except the criminal who now has a higher probability of apprehension. Even if there was need for a source of &quot;justification&quot; it would have nothing to do with a statistic on how many police officers are killed each year. Things like weapons and tactics are decided by people much smarter than you with a lot more information than you have. They spend their careers studying and analyzing specific incidents on a case by case basis and then make adjustments in order to address very real and very quantifiable problems. Furthermore, they are very successful, which, whether you like it or not, is directly relatable to the lack of on-the-job deaths.

All that to say: I have no problem with disputing the validity of common beliefs about police work. What is annoying, however, is that you come to your conclusions based mostly on faulty reasoning, and ignorant and swayed perspective, and inaccurate  assumptions based on your bias.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opinions/perspectives of some of you are absolutely ridiculous. Why is it that traffic accident deaths get discounted somehow as illegitimate for police officers while probably 100% of fishing or logging deaths are accidents? I bet there is no other job that comes close to the percentage of people being deliberately killed at the hand of another as for cops. If you insist that &#8220;accidents&#8221; don&#8217;t count for some reason, then that is the context you should use across the board and it shouldn&#8217;t be included for any profession, and in that case, Law Enforcement tops this stupid list by an astronomical margin. When is the last time you heard about a fisherman getting shot in the head while he was eating his lunch?</p>
<p>Secondly, why is it that everyone assumes that cops are propagating the myth that theirs is the most dangerous job? That can be blamed on the ignorant media, so don&#8217;t blame police for the misconception. As a police officer I can say that where we fall on the &#8220;most dangerous jobs&#8221; list was not even remotely a factor in why we signed up for this job, and does not figure into the decisions we make on the job each day. Trust me, we&#8217;re not pining for respect and glory. These days that would be like becoming a stripper in order to gain academic admiration. It is a job that is unquestionably necessary regardless of the attention that it receives, negative or positive.</p>
<p>I think what bothers me most about this article is that the author thinks that the use of superior weapons and tactics needs to be justified. It&#8217;s justified because it&#8217;s inherently better (i.e; safer, more effective). There is not a single drawback for anyone except the criminal who now has a higher probability of apprehension. Even if there was need for a source of &#8220;justification&#8221; it would have nothing to do with a statistic on how many police officers are killed each year. Things like weapons and tactics are decided by people much smarter than you with a lot more information than you have. They spend their careers studying and analyzing specific incidents on a case by case basis and then make adjustments in order to address very real and very quantifiable problems. Furthermore, they are very successful, which, whether you like it or not, is directly relatable to the lack of on-the-job deaths.</p>
<p>All that to say: I have no problem with disputing the validity of common beliefs about police work. What is annoying, however, is that you come to your conclusions based mostly on faulty reasoning, and ignorant and swayed perspective, and inaccurate  assumptions based on your bias.</p>
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		<title>By: How can we get our public servants to take more life-threatening risks on the job? &#171; Entitled to an Opinion</title>
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		<dc:creator>How can we get our public servants to take more life-threatening risks on the job? &#171; Entitled to an Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 03:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] at night which can result in the deaths of both residents and officers, though you recall also that policing isn&#8217;t that dangerous a profession (with most of the risk coming from operating a vehicle). If you were similar to but [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: USA Today: &#8220;When citizens film police, it shouldn&#8217;t be a crime&#8221;&#160;&#124;&#160;Cop Block</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-406021</link>
		<dc:creator>USA Today: &#8220;When citizens film police, it shouldn&#8217;t be a crime&#8221;&#160;&#124;&#160;Cop Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 23:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] just have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Anything else would be unfair. He did have a &#8220;risk[y]&#8220; job that required him to &#8220;make decisions based upon split-second determinations&#8221; after [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] just have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Anything else would be unfair. He did have a &#8220;risk[y]&#8220; job that required him to &#8220;make decisions based upon split-second determinations&#8221; after [...]</p>
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		<title>By: charley</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-386145</link>
		<dc:creator>charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t really see how police officers having access to military equipment and using SWAT Tactics more often infringes on the rights of citizens. In cop training, we are told that we have to be prepared for the &quot;Worst case scenario&quot; although we will probably never see that scenario in our careers, but it does happen. 
 Using a &quot;SWAT Tactic&quot; doesnt mean that you are using any amount of excessive force, it just means that you are taking every possible precaution before going into a dangerous situation. And let&#039;s talk about those lovable tasers. They are completely non-lethal (unless you are trying to injest a bag of marijuana and it gets stuck in your throat, fall off a building, or are already on a crack binge), and have no long term effects at all. Why not use those more often? As a police officer, I would much rather tazer a suspect from 10 feet away than not use the tazer and attempt to apprehend him with my own two hands, what sense does that make? Also, over 95% of officers carrying a tazer have been hit with it themselves, the same goes for pepper spray. 
  I would venture to guess that, before SWAT teams, tasers, pepper spray, kevlar, and everything else that makes a well equipped police officer, that the job was far more dangerous than it is now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really see how police officers having access to military equipment and using SWAT Tactics more often infringes on the rights of citizens. In cop training, we are told that we have to be prepared for the &#8220;Worst case scenario&#8221; although we will probably never see that scenario in our careers, but it does happen.<br />
 Using a &#8220;SWAT Tactic&#8221; doesnt mean that you are using any amount of excessive force, it just means that you are taking every possible precaution before going into a dangerous situation. And let&#8217;s talk about those lovable tasers. They are completely non-lethal (unless you are trying to injest a bag of marijuana and it gets stuck in your throat, fall off a building, or are already on a crack binge), and have no long term effects at all. Why not use those more often? As a police officer, I would much rather tazer a suspect from 10 feet away than not use the tazer and attempt to apprehend him with my own two hands, what sense does that make? Also, over 95% of officers carrying a tazer have been hit with it themselves, the same goes for pepper spray.<br />
  I would venture to guess that, before SWAT teams, tasers, pepper spray, kevlar, and everything else that makes a well equipped police officer, that the job was far more dangerous than it is now.</p>
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		<title>By: Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2010-01-23 &#8211; Siege mentality</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-382274</link>
		<dc:creator>Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2010-01-23 &#8211; Siege mentality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: T Wezz</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-184317</link>
		<dc:creator>T Wezz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris #39 simply hit it right on the nail. I&#039;m still thinking about joining the force. I live in a big city and I just can&#039;t see myself fearing the unknown everyday I&#039;m at work. It&#039;s just not in my body chemistry I guess. They make good money here too...like 60k starting and Lord knows I can use that salary. I make half of that now but happy in my job. Props to those who do and to all the crooked cops who give good cops a bad name...I hope you burn for eternity. 69 died, but like Chris said...how many criminals tried to take their lives and failed? How many cops are assaulted and attacked on the regular? How many dodged fate? You can&#039;t count that. If they weren&#039;t trained and were just the average citizen like you and I, how many would have died then? Thats the true ratio we should be counting. Any cops on here recommend becoming a cop in a big city being young with a daughter/family to take care of?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris #39 simply hit it right on the nail. I&#8217;m still thinking about joining the force. I live in a big city and I just can&#8217;t see myself fearing the unknown everyday I&#8217;m at work. It&#8217;s just not in my body chemistry I guess. They make good money here too&#8230;like 60k starting and Lord knows I can use that salary. I make half of that now but happy in my job. Props to those who do and to all the crooked cops who give good cops a bad name&#8230;I hope you burn for eternity. 69 died, but like Chris said&#8230;how many criminals tried to take their lives and failed? How many cops are assaulted and attacked on the regular? How many dodged fate? You can&#8217;t count that. If they weren&#8217;t trained and were just the average citizen like you and I, how many would have died then? Thats the true ratio we should be counting. Any cops on here recommend becoming a cop in a big city being young with a daughter/family to take care of?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a big difference between someone dying in an accident at sea or an accident on the road and another person taking an officers life.  Just because there were 69 out of 100,000 killed by a criminal doesn&#039;t make the job less dangerous.  How about looking at all the situations that the officer won the confrontation because he used his militaristic equipment to save their life or someone elses. Officers face potentially dangerous situations almost daily depending on where they work. Think about all the armed robberies that occur. Anyone of those could term into a deadly situation. An officer never knows what kind of situation they are stepping into. A trash man knows the dangers of his job every second, the fisherman has ways of not going overboard, and the loggers can not take that risk.  Officers have to do their job, they can&#039;t say &quot;I&#039;m not going in there he&#039;s got a gun&quot;.  They have to, it&#039;s their job. 

And I don&#039;t understand your thought of ending the war on drugs.  That would cause so many more problems than you could possibly imagine. The people who don&#039;t deal with it on a daily basis just don&#039;t understand the fear an officer has on something as simple as a traffic stop.  ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN AT ANYTIME and an officer has to ready for it. 69 died at the hand of criminals last year, but how many criminals tried and failed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a big difference between someone dying in an accident at sea or an accident on the road and another person taking an officers life.  Just because there were 69 out of 100,000 killed by a criminal doesn&#8217;t make the job less dangerous.  How about looking at all the situations that the officer won the confrontation because he used his militaristic equipment to save their life or someone elses. Officers face potentially dangerous situations almost daily depending on where they work. Think about all the armed robberies that occur. Anyone of those could term into a deadly situation. An officer never knows what kind of situation they are stepping into. A trash man knows the dangers of his job every second, the fisherman has ways of not going overboard, and the loggers can not take that risk.  Officers have to do their job, they can&#8217;t say &#8220;I&#8217;m not going in there he&#8217;s got a gun&#8221;.  They have to, it&#8217;s their job. </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t understand your thought of ending the war on drugs.  That would cause so many more problems than you could possibly imagine. The people who don&#8217;t deal with it on a daily basis just don&#8217;t understand the fear an officer has on something as simple as a traffic stop.  ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN AT ANYTIME and an officer has to ready for it. 69 died at the hand of criminals last year, but how many criminals tried and failed?</p>
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		<title>By: Butthead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butthead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article.

http://www.killercop.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.killercop.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.killercop.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Beavis</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-68137</link>
		<dc:creator>Beavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is funny, I have been railing about this for the last few years (since 9.11.2001 in particular).  My dad was a truck driver.  He delivered the food that feeds us all.  Why isn&#039;t he a hero?   I knew more truck drivers died than cops.  You never see any civil servant jobs in the most dangerous jobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is funny, I have been railing about this for the last few years (since 9.11.2001 in particular).  My dad was a truck driver.  He delivered the food that feeds us all.  Why isn&#8217;t he a hero?   I knew more truck drivers died than cops.  You never see any civil servant jobs in the most dangerous jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: etaoin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-67937</link>
		<dc:creator>etaoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;putting two cops in every squad car would greatly reduce the risk in such situations, especially traffic stops. A bad guy with a cop outside both car windows is much less likely to try to shoot his way out than if there’s just one.&lt;/i&gt;

 I wish I could find the citation but a few years ago, when the NYPD union was demanding more officers per car, there were several studies cited that said cops were prone to get into MORE physical confrontations, not fewer, because they felt they were in a stronger position and that more cops were hurt as a result. I don&#039;t recall what it said about how legitimate those confrontations were, just that there were more of them.
 I see some people have absorbed the Sept.11 firefighters&#039; &quot;we were running in while everyone was running out.&quot; I have come to hate that expression because it has been so misused, allowed to excuse all kinds of misbehavior. Honest to God, I hope someone Tasers some cops some day, in self defense. Of course, they&#039;ll probably get killed in the process but enough is enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>putting two cops in every squad car would greatly reduce the risk in such situations, especially traffic stops. A bad guy with a cop outside both car windows is much less likely to try to shoot his way out than if there’s just one.</i></p>
<p> I wish I could find the citation but a few years ago, when the NYPD union was demanding more officers per car, there were several studies cited that said cops were prone to get into MORE physical confrontations, not fewer, because they felt they were in a stronger position and that more cops were hurt as a result. I don&#8217;t recall what it said about how legitimate those confrontations were, just that there were more of them.<br />
 I see some people have absorbed the Sept.11 firefighters&#8217; &#8220;we were running in while everyone was running out.&#8221; I have come to hate that expression because it has been so misused, allowed to excuse all kinds of misbehavior. Honest to God, I hope someone Tasers some cops some day, in self defense. Of course, they&#8217;ll probably get killed in the process but enough is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I noticed too that firemen were not on the top ten according to that list. I wonder why it does not bother anybody, how people go on and on, about those brave firmen and how dangerous their job is. Some even work for evil local governments.

&quot;Statistics are good but when I point out that based on the number of car stops, search warrants etc. that the number of actual “bad cop” or “bad action” is a small percentage. I have people here, call me names and say that even one is too much.&quot;

Because one IS too many when the perpetrator in question can get away with, sometimes literally, murder thanks to the thin blue line crap.  Firefighters don&#039;t have the power to ruin or end an innocent person&#039;s life just because he didn&#039;t get fellated by his wife/girlfriend/local ho last night.

Too many highschool bullies are getting past the psychological screening.  That large cities actually budget out-of-court settlement funds should be a huge red flag.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I noticed too that firemen were not on the top ten according to that list. I wonder why it does not bother anybody, how people go on and on, about those brave firmen and how dangerous their job is. Some even work for evil local governments.</p>
<p>&#8220;Statistics are good but when I point out that based on the number of car stops, search warrants etc. that the number of actual “bad cop” or “bad action” is a small percentage. I have people here, call me names and say that even one is too much.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because one IS too many when the perpetrator in question can get away with, sometimes literally, murder thanks to the thin blue line crap.  Firefighters don&#8217;t have the power to ruin or end an innocent person&#8217;s life just because he didn&#8217;t get fellated by his wife/girlfriend/local ho last night.</p>
<p>Too many highschool bullies are getting past the psychological screening.  That large cities actually budget out-of-court settlement funds should be a huge red flag.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’d be nice to have the bandwidth and battery power to constantly transmit data from a Personal Monitoring device to a networked storage device to prevent recordings from being destroyed by ne’er-do-wells, but we’ll get there someday.&quot;

I believe Verizon and Sprint both have sufficient bandwidth for this purpose already.  A PMD in a vehicle, would have enough battery, and a backup battery of 4Ah or so for the truly paranoid might be in order, just in case the bad cop cuts the battery cable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’d be nice to have the bandwidth and battery power to constantly transmit data from a Personal Monitoring device to a networked storage device to prevent recordings from being destroyed by ne’er-do-wells, but we’ll get there someday.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe Verizon and Sprint both have sufficient bandwidth for this purpose already.  A PMD in a vehicle, would have enough battery, and a backup battery of 4Ah or so for the truly paranoid might be in order, just in case the bad cop cuts the battery cable.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A prediction: A movement will arise wherein people willingly monitor their own behavior while in public places and use the audiovisual recordings to make sure their civil liberties are not trampled upon by persons in positions of power. I call this Personal Monitoring.&quot;

Already happening, and the two cases I know of that resulted in cops getting bent over as they deserved were mentioned on this site.  The ape-shit cop in St George, MO, and the NYPD detective under arrest for six counts of perjury, both the result of personal recording devices.

Of course, now that the police are properly warned, Terry searches will ensure that such equipment is &quot;accidentally&quot; damaged into a non-functioning state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A prediction: A movement will arise wherein people willingly monitor their own behavior while in public places and use the audiovisual recordings to make sure their civil liberties are not trampled upon by persons in positions of power. I call this Personal Monitoring.&#8221;</p>
<p>Already happening, and the two cases I know of that resulted in cops getting bent over as they deserved were mentioned on this site.  The ape-shit cop in St George, MO, and the NYPD detective under arrest for six counts of perjury, both the result of personal recording devices.</p>
<p>Of course, now that the police are properly warned, Terry searches will ensure that such equipment is &#8220;accidentally&#8221; damaged into a non-functioning state.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There is a difference between on-the-job dangers like falling off a shrimping boat–a risk for which one is well compensated–and people who take on the risk of being deliberately murdered by enemies of civilization, people we call criminals, in order to protect the rest of us.&quot;

The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. 

-Sir Robert Peel, Founder of the Metropolitan Police (London)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is a difference between on-the-job dangers like falling off a shrimping boat–a risk for which one is well compensated–and people who take on the risk of being deliberately murdered by enemies of civilization, people we call criminals, in order to protect the rest of us.&#8221;</p>
<p>The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. </p>
<p>-Sir Robert Peel, Founder of the Metropolitan Police (London)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-67786</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I hate to break it to you, when s&amp;*t hits the fan…no one else is coming to save you…&quot;

No one is coming.  Full stop.  We as citizens are responsible for our own defense, because no one else will ever get there in time.  And police are not legally required to defend us in any event -- that is a matter of law and precedent.  Don&#039;t believe me?  Look at the case where a man killed his three kids, then himself, while the mother pleaded with the cops and got the finger from them.  The lawsuit was dismissed about a month ago.

Police are properly named, in the military definition of the word.  All they do is &quot;police the area&quot; after you&#039;re dead, and are arrogant about it while doing so.  &quot;Protect and Serve&quot; is an empty phrase created by a PR firm, with no legal standing whatsoever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hate to break it to you, when s&amp;*t hits the fan…no one else is coming to save you…&#8221;</p>
<p>No one is coming.  Full stop.  We as citizens are responsible for our own defense, because no one else will ever get there in time.  And police are not legally required to defend us in any event &#8212; that is a matter of law and precedent.  Don&#8217;t believe me?  Look at the case where a man killed his three kids, then himself, while the mother pleaded with the cops and got the finger from them.  The lawsuit was dismissed about a month ago.</p>
<p>Police are properly named, in the military definition of the word.  All they do is &#8220;police the area&#8221; after you&#8217;re dead, and are arrogant about it while doing so.  &#8220;Protect and Serve&#8221; is an empty phrase created by a PR firm, with no legal standing whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-67785</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Also, how many police deaths in mistaken address raids where the home owner shot back?&quot;

Not as many as there should be, unfortunately.  If there were, they&#039;d be more careful about such things.

Far as I&#039;m concerned, no-knock raids should be illegal except in a hostage situation where there is a clear threat to life.  There is no other justification.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, how many police deaths in mistaken address raids where the home owner shot back?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not as many as there should be, unfortunately.  If there were, they&#8217;d be more careful about such things.</p>
<p>Far as I&#8217;m concerned, no-knock raids should be illegal except in a hostage situation where there is a clear threat to life.  There is no other justification.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-67692</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an interesting perspective you have on the dangers of the law enforcement community, but I think the stats are skewed because of other factors.  After just recently becoming a law enforcement officer I realize now how much training, time, energy and commitment police officers are to safety.  Most police officers nitpick on every little safety issue/improvement that can be done.  It&#039;s almost a sick culture of making every little thing safer.  Not many other jobs do I see people worried about what direction to spin the tires on when you’re on a highway, approaching a car, looking at everything, and analyzing every possibility.
While I agree there is abuse out there, (none should be tolerated) it&#039;s often over hyped or replayed so many times that people start believing it&#039;s every cop out there.  I do not have sympathy for these ‘abuses’ if people are challenging the police’s authority.  They have no right to actively resist (note: not passively resist), and deserve anything that happens to them when they do.
Unfortunately there is no &quot;pretty&quot; or &quot;humane&quot; way to stop violent or uncooperative people out there, I think society has this idea that there is.  There are no magical karate moves.  They pretty much give us a few options voice, hands, OC, stick, taser, gun...and you only have a few seconds to deploy them.  Stop believing that the OC/Taser is the magical solution, it only is good if you have the time/space/safety to deploy them.
It’s frustrating the views of society when they want a gentle/nice/civilized police force.  Worrying about that shotgun being in the front seat because it scares the community.  I hate to break it to you, when s&amp;*t hits the fan…no one else is coming to save you…it’s your local police.  9/11, columbine, mall shootings should be showing you that there is no federal police or army is coming to save you, it’s your local police/fire/ems.  When the bad guy has big guns, my little one doesn’t work so good…and my vest is useless.
I should also inform you interestingly the only reason I even came across this blog was looking for stats on police and New Years (trying to see if it is the most dangerous day to work).  It’s my first time working out there alone.  Every new years where I work there seems to be many calls for “shots fired”, and many people shot, and generally many other dangerous calls.
Anyways…
I encourage you to take advantage of a ride along if it&#039;s available in your community.  
may or may not change your perspective, but if it&#039;s a decent sized city...you&#039;ll probably have an experience of a lifetime in just one night.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting perspective you have on the dangers of the law enforcement community, but I think the stats are skewed because of other factors.  After just recently becoming a law enforcement officer I realize now how much training, time, energy and commitment police officers are to safety.  Most police officers nitpick on every little safety issue/improvement that can be done.  It&#8217;s almost a sick culture of making every little thing safer.  Not many other jobs do I see people worried about what direction to spin the tires on when you’re on a highway, approaching a car, looking at everything, and analyzing every possibility.<br />
While I agree there is abuse out there, (none should be tolerated) it&#8217;s often over hyped or replayed so many times that people start believing it&#8217;s every cop out there.  I do not have sympathy for these ‘abuses’ if people are challenging the police’s authority.  They have no right to actively resist (note: not passively resist), and deserve anything that happens to them when they do.<br />
Unfortunately there is no &#8220;pretty&#8221; or &#8220;humane&#8221; way to stop violent or uncooperative people out there, I think society has this idea that there is.  There are no magical karate moves.  They pretty much give us a few options voice, hands, OC, stick, taser, gun&#8230;and you only have a few seconds to deploy them.  Stop believing that the OC/Taser is the magical solution, it only is good if you have the time/space/safety to deploy them.<br />
It’s frustrating the views of society when they want a gentle/nice/civilized police force.  Worrying about that shotgun being in the front seat because it scares the community.  I hate to break it to you, when s&amp;*t hits the fan…no one else is coming to save you…it’s your local police.  9/11, columbine, mall shootings should be showing you that there is no federal police or army is coming to save you, it’s your local police/fire/ems.  When the bad guy has big guns, my little one doesn’t work so good…and my vest is useless.<br />
I should also inform you interestingly the only reason I even came across this blog was looking for stats on police and New Years (trying to see if it is the most dangerous day to work).  It’s my first time working out there alone.  Every new years where I work there seems to be many calls for “shots fired”, and many people shot, and generally many other dangerous calls.<br />
Anyways…<br />
I encourage you to take advantage of a ride along if it&#8217;s available in your community.<br />
may or may not change your perspective, but if it&#8217;s a decent sized city&#8230;you&#8217;ll probably have an experience of a lifetime in just one night.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marty: I, for one, appreciate having your perspective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty: I, for one, appreciate having your perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-67645</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to those numbers, I calculate the average adult white male has about the same chance of being murdered as that of a policeman at work.

If policework is so dangerous that every policeman is allowed to carry a loaded gun, why not the average adult man too?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to those numbers, I calculate the average adult white male has about the same chance of being murdered as that of a policeman at work.</p>
<p>If policework is so dangerous that every policeman is allowed to carry a loaded gun, why not the average adult man too?</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/28/how-dangerous-is-police-work/comment-page-1/#comment-67531</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your ideology is why you don&#039;t see.

See?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your ideology is why you don&#8217;t see.</p>
<p>See?</p>
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