Comments on: New Professionalism Roundup http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:17:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Dave Woycechowsky http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66852 Dave Woycechowsky Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:52:51 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66852 The Charlottesville case also had an interesting freedom of the press angle: http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2007/12/06/NEWS-SIDE-BrutalityAccuserscourteney-A.rtf.aspx The Charlottesville case also had an interesting freedom of the press angle:

http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2007/12/06/NEWS-SIDE-BrutalityAccuserscourteney-A.rtf.aspx

]]> By: Dave Woycechowsky http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66851 Dave Woycechowsky Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:49:23 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66851 911 call in the Charlottesville case: http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2007/12/18/austin-silva-911-tape-released/ 911 call in the Charlottesville case:

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2007/12/18/austin-silva-911-tape-released/

]]> By: Michael McAuliffe http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66846 Michael McAuliffe Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:14:03 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66846 While searching for the results of the Charlottesville trial, I came upon yet another tale of misconduct from Beaver Village, OH: http://www.nationalexpositor.com/News/518.html Sadly, Radley, the light at the end of the tunnel seems to be an oncoming train. While searching for the results of the Charlottesville trial, I came upon yet another tale of misconduct from Beaver Village, OH:

http://www.nationalexpositor.com/News/518.html

Sadly, Radley, the light at the end of the tunnel seems to be an oncoming train.

]]> By: Ben http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66834 Ben Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:07:15 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66834 Here's some professionalism: A former Hamden, Ct detective is charged with counterfeiting. Interesting. http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=7517225 Here’s some professionalism: A former Hamden, Ct detective is charged with counterfeiting. Interesting.

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=7517225

]]> By: Persona non grata http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66816 Persona non grata Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:01:48 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66816 <i> Something tells me that if a regular person instigated a road rage confrontation that ended with him shooting and killing someone, he likely wouldn’t have gotten off so easy." </i> That really depends on how much justice you can afford.
Something tells me that if a regular person instigated a road rage confrontation that ended with him shooting and killing someone, he likely wouldn’t have gotten off so easy.”

That really depends on how much justice you can afford.

]]> By: Russ 2000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66814 Russ 2000 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:47:11 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66814 <i>I like the idea of private prosecutors as well,</i> Imagine what the lobbying business would look like then! You think we have a fucked up system now.... I like the idea of private prosecutors as well,

Imagine what the lobbying business would look like then! You think we have a fucked up system now….

]]> By: Nick T http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66812 Nick T Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:10:52 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66812 I like the idea of private prosecutors as well, but don't forget, the Bill of Rights only applies with respect to the government (or individuals acting as agents or at the behest of the government). Private prosecutions would necessitate these agencies being deputized in some form and/or required to follow all the same procedural rules as the state and that could likely become very onerous. Afterall, if the potential punishment is prison all the BoR rights apply, privae prosecutor or not. I would love to see some way to make it easier to take the decision to prosecute corrupt officials out of the hands of OTHER officials, but just wanted to point out that handing it over to private groups raises a host of dilemnas. This is why the Feds are a good solution if only they would make this a bigger priority. I like the idea of private prosecutors as well, but don’t forget, the Bill of Rights only applies with respect to the government (or individuals acting as agents or at the behest of the government). Private prosecutions would necessitate these agencies being deputized in some form and/or required to follow all the same procedural rules as the state and that could likely become very onerous. Afterall, if the potential punishment is prison all the BoR rights apply, privae prosecutor or not.

I would love to see some way to make it easier to take the decision to prosecute corrupt officials out of the hands of OTHER officials, but just wanted to point out that handing it over to private groups raises a host of dilemnas. This is why the Feds are a good solution if only they would make this a bigger priority.

]]> By: Leshrac http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66804 Leshrac Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:47:16 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66804 I suspect that even if the cop if found to have alcohol and/or drugs in his system he won't even be charged with that. The incredible double standard is proof that our system is broken. I like the idea of the prosocuters for hire but that would obviously encourage even more manufacturing of evidence to increase conviction rates. Go figure, justice for the innocent is fleeting unless you have proof of being in another state at the time. Then you might just be charged with conspiracy. I suspect that even if the cop if found to have alcohol and/or drugs in his system he won’t even be charged with that. The incredible double standard is proof that our system is broken. I like the idea of the prosocuters for hire but that would obviously encourage even more manufacturing of evidence to increase conviction rates. Go figure, justice for the innocent is fleeting unless you have proof of being in another state at the time. Then you might just be charged with conspiracy.

]]> By: Skip Oliva http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66800 Skip Oliva Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:51:20 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66800 "I am in favor of the death penalty, but only if it is applied to crooked cops. It might actually work as a deterrent there." Or it could lead more killings as cops decide to eliminate any witnesses (since they'd already be facing death for the initial murder.) “I am in favor of the death penalty, but only if it is applied to crooked cops. It might actually work as a deterrent there.”

Or it could lead more killings as cops decide to eliminate any witnesses (since they’d already be facing death for the initial murder.)

]]> By: Rick http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66795 Rick Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:07:28 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66795 When a person is brought before a grand jury for indictment for a homicide, why is their occupation relevant to the grand jury's decision. Why did they even know he was a cop? When a person is brought before a grand jury for indictment for a homicide, why is their occupation relevant to the grand jury’s decision. Why did they even know he was a cop?

]]> By: neil http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66793 neil Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:01:53 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66793 The two folks in C'ville were at least found not guilty of all charges according to Virginia's judicial website. The two folks in C’ville were at least found not guilty of all charges according to Virginia’s judicial website.

]]> By: Zeb http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66791 Zeb Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:50:59 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66791 I am in favor of the death penalty, but only if it is applied to crooked cops. It might actually work as a deterrent there. I am in favor of the death penalty, but only if it is applied to crooked cops. It might actually work as a deterrent there.

]]> By: Jay Kominek http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66787 Jay Kominek Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:29:46 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66787 The "Montana" police officer is actually a Colorado cop, with a last name of Montana, who shot someone from Montana. (Strange and confusing.) "Montana was treated for facial injuries at a hospital. His blood was also taken to determine whether he was intoxicated, Davis said." I really, really, realllllly hope the family's lawyer can get their hands on the blood test, or the blood itself, to have it retested. The “Montana” police officer is actually a Colorado cop, with a last name of Montana, who shot someone from Montana. (Strange and confusing.)

“Montana was treated for facial injuries at a hospital. His blood was also taken to determine whether he was intoxicated, Davis said.”

I really, really, realllllly hope the family’s lawyer can get their hands on the blood test, or the blood itself, to have it retested.

]]> By: MikeT http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66786 MikeT Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:39:11 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66786 We need a system that allows groups like the Institute for Justice and ACLU to bring criminal charges against government officials. Groups like the IJ and ACLU should be able to supply their own prosecution in corruption cases, so that we are not utterly dependent on the system working. In fact, I would go a step farther, and suggest that we abolish the position of state prosecutor altogether and go to a system where prosecutors are simply contractors who are on at-will employment, and the only permanent positions are public defenders. We need a system that allows groups like the Institute for Justice and ACLU to bring criminal charges against government officials. Groups like the IJ and ACLU should be able to supply their own prosecution in corruption cases, so that we are not utterly dependent on the system working.

In fact, I would go a step farther, and suggest that we abolish the position of state prosecutor altogether and go to a system where prosecutors are simply contractors who are on at-will employment, and the only permanent positions are public defenders.

]]> By: Bryant http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66785 Bryant Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:38:12 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66785 You know the score, pal. If you're not cop, you're little people. You know the score, pal. If you’re not cop, you’re little people.

]]> By: Philip Parker http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66783 Philip Parker Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:18:36 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66783 Here in North Alabama an officer was recently shot and killed while responding to a routine traffic stop. This is a sad thing. However the way it has been covered by the local media disgusts me in that the whole affair is being treated as if Superman had been killed. It just shows that to most of the people of this country the Police are special and apart from the rest of us. Here in North Alabama an officer was recently shot and killed while responding to a routine traffic stop. This is a sad thing. However the way it has been covered by the local media disgusts me in that the whole affair is being treated as if Superman had been killed. It just shows that to most of the people of this country the Police are special and apart from the rest of us.

]]> By: Phelps http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66781 Phelps Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:02:30 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/19/new-professionalism-roundup-2/#comment-66781 C'mon, Radley, they're just like you and me, only <i>better</i>. C’mon, Radley, they’re just like you and me, only better.

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