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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Snyder</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66474</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plenty of videos online showing how to replace a disk in a MacBook. Here's the obvious google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#38;q=replacing+a+disk+in+a+MacBook&#38;btnG=Google+Search

I dunno about Torx, I replaced the disk in my dotter's ibook with a standard Philips. Ditto when I bought a Dell D830 in August, I immediately swapped out the 80g drive for a 250g drive using a Philips, a rusty spoon, chewing gum, and duct tape. (well, just kidding about the chewing gum.)

Here's a 250g Samsung 2.5" SATA drive at Newegg for $150:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152094

Smaller disks are cheaper roughly in proportion to capacity.

Or you can go to a vendor who specializes in Mac hardware like macsales.com, I've had good experience with them over the years. You're likely to get better hand-holding for a Mac from them, should you need handholding.

Buying a disk from Apple (or Dell, or IBM/Lenovo) is a sucker's game.. you not only pay for the disk, you pay thru the nose for Apple's "certification", which is meaningless.

The two points to check are 1) whether the laptop uses ATA (aka PATA) or SATA, you can find that by looking at the details in "About this computer" IIRC (if the machine is less than two years old, it's almost certainly SATA); 2) laptop drives are 2.5" so you'll be way disappointed if you buy a 3.5" drive, despite the lower price.

Also Apple uses the same components everyone else does these days, and has for years. When you consider that you get a lot more software packaged with the Mac, it's not obvious that a Mac isn't cheaper than a comparably performing Wintel box. (And these days you can run Mac OS X on a standard Wintel box if you're not too finicky about legalities.)

Incidentally, there are tools which predict imminent disk failure. Not very well, but better than nothing. Dunno what the tools are called on Apple, but it's the SMART disk interface standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of videos online showing how to replace a disk in a MacBook. Here&#8217;s the obvious google search:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=replacing+a+disk+in+a+MacBook&amp;btnG=Google+Search" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=replacing+a+disk+in+a+MacBook&amp;btnG=Google+Search</a></p>
<p>I dunno about Torx, I replaced the disk in my dotter&#8217;s ibook with a standard Philips. Ditto when I bought a Dell D830 in August, I immediately swapped out the 80g drive for a 250g drive using a Philips, a rusty spoon, chewing gum, and duct tape. (well, just kidding about the chewing gum.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a 250g Samsung 2.5&#8243; SATA drive at Newegg for $150:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152094" rel="nofollow">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152094</a></p>
<p>Smaller disks are cheaper roughly in proportion to capacity.</p>
<p>Or you can go to a vendor who specializes in Mac hardware like macsales.com, I&#8217;ve had good experience with them over the years. You&#8217;re likely to get better hand-holding for a Mac from them, should you need handholding.</p>
<p>Buying a disk from Apple (or Dell, or IBM/Lenovo) is a sucker&#8217;s game.. you not only pay for the disk, you pay thru the nose for Apple&#8217;s &#8220;certification&#8221;, which is meaningless.</p>
<p>The two points to check are 1) whether the laptop uses ATA (aka PATA) or SATA, you can find that by looking at the details in &#8220;About this computer&#8221; IIRC (if the machine is less than two years old, it&#8217;s almost certainly SATA); 2) laptop drives are 2.5&#8243; so you&#8217;ll be way disappointed if you buy a 3.5&#8243; drive, despite the lower price.</p>
<p>Also Apple uses the same components everyone else does these days, and has for years. When you consider that you get a lot more software packaged with the Mac, it&#8217;s not obvious that a Mac isn&#8217;t cheaper than a comparably performing Wintel box. (And these days you can run Mac OS X on a standard Wintel box if you&#8217;re not too finicky about legalities.)</p>
<p>Incidentally, there are tools which predict imminent disk failure. Not very well, but better than nothing. Dunno what the tools are called on Apple, but it&#8217;s the SMART disk interface standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66442</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least he didn't buy a Dell (pioneers of the planned-obsolescence riveted-shut tower: Dust bunny in the power-supply fan? Too bad; buy a new computer!)

The dirty little secret of laptops is that a $1.50 torx screwdriver from Sears and a tape-apart PDF scavenged off eMule will guide you through replacing or upgrading most plug-in components of a laptop. E.g., the difference between an expensive model and a cheap model is often just the amount of installed ram and the size of the drive, and the difference can be wildly greater the difference in the costs of those purchased separately.

Any decent-sized computer parts store will sell a doohicky that enables connecting a laptop drive to the IDE chain of a tower system (such as a used G3 blue-and-white or G4 gray-and-white, which you can snap up for less than a hundred), permitting you to diagnose and recover the drive that way. There's also a utility (the name escapes me) which enables you to fully back-up a MacOS volume *from that drive to another while it is running* (a la Acronis True Image for PCs).

As always in these cases, Google is your friend to saving big-time cash and aggravation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least he didn&#8217;t buy a Dell (pioneers of the planned-obsolescence riveted-shut tower: Dust bunny in the power-supply fan? Too bad; buy a new computer!)</p>
<p>The dirty little secret of laptops is that a $1.50 torx screwdriver from Sears and a tape-apart PDF scavenged off eMule will guide you through replacing or upgrading most plug-in components of a laptop. E.g., the difference between an expensive model and a cheap model is often just the amount of installed ram and the size of the drive, and the difference can be wildly greater the difference in the costs of those purchased separately.</p>
<p>Any decent-sized computer parts store will sell a doohicky that enables connecting a laptop drive to the IDE chain of a tower system (such as a used G3 blue-and-white or G4 gray-and-white, which you can snap up for less than a hundred), permitting you to diagnose and recover the drive that way. There&#8217;s also a utility (the name escapes me) which enables you to fully back-up a MacOS volume *from that drive to another while it is running* (a la Acronis True Image for PCs).</p>
<p>As always in these cases, Google is your friend to saving big-time cash and aggravation.</p>
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		<title>By: fishbane</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66431</link>
		<dc:creator>fishbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Partly echoing those who say look in to a DYI drive replacement - it'll save a lot, and isn't hard. Alternately, there should be local consultants around you that can do it cheaply. Also echoing the Time Machine advice, but with two caveats: If you use File Vault, be careful on the OS upgrade - you need to turn it off for the upgrade, and then back on. This requires as much space as the size of your home directory free. Also, if you use Aperture, disable FV for its storage area - you _will_ quickly fill up your backup drive this way, due to the way it handles storage.

Also, if you have a reasonably modern MBP (you didn't say what model you have), that Apple rep is even more of an idiot - there are built in "rapid motion detectors" that are designed to park the drive heads if the machine undergoes rapid acceleration (e.g., falls). Plus, the feature has enabled folks to write lots of fun, useless software like marble games and software seismographs.

Daveadams: That's odd. My MBP (17") DVD drive is really quiet. The fans are rather loud when decoding/playing a DVD, but that's to be expected, given the processor involved and density of the machine. (which is my only real complaint with the machine - DVDs, Photoshop, Mathematica, Aperture, etc. can all quickly bring the machine to ~80C, making it too hot for my lap. Otherwise, it is the best laptop I've ever had, and well worth the Apple price premium.) I wonder if they switched drive manufacturers at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Partly echoing those who say look in to a DYI drive replacement - it&#8217;ll save a lot, and isn&#8217;t hard. Alternately, there should be local consultants around you that can do it cheaply. Also echoing the Time Machine advice, but with two caveats: If you use File Vault, be careful on the OS upgrade - you need to turn it off for the upgrade, and then back on. This requires as much space as the size of your home directory free. Also, if you use Aperture, disable FV for its storage area - you _will_ quickly fill up your backup drive this way, due to the way it handles storage.</p>
<p>Also, if you have a reasonably modern MBP (you didn&#8217;t say what model you have), that Apple rep is even more of an idiot - there are built in &#8220;rapid motion detectors&#8221; that are designed to park the drive heads if the machine undergoes rapid acceleration (e.g., falls). Plus, the feature has enabled folks to write lots of fun, useless software like marble games and software seismographs.</p>
<p>Daveadams: That&#8217;s odd. My MBP (17&#8243;) DVD drive is really quiet. The fans are rather loud when decoding/playing a DVD, but that&#8217;s to be expected, given the processor involved and density of the machine. (which is my only real complaint with the machine - DVDs, Photoshop, Mathematica, Aperture, etc. can all quickly bring the machine to ~80C, making it too hot for my lap. Otherwise, it is the best laptop I&#8217;ve ever had, and well worth the Apple price premium.) I wonder if they switched drive manufacturers at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66427</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always listen to the advice of academic economists, for it is extremely wise.  But never take their advice as a guide to your own choice of incentives: even they would say that this is a bad idea.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always listen to the advice of academic economists, for it is extremely wise.  But never take their advice as a guide to your own choice of incentives: even they would say that this is a bad idea.  <img src='http://www.theagitator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: daveadams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66419</link>
		<dc:creator>daveadams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes hard drives die sooner than they should. I wouldn't blame Apple. The support guy's talk was BS, of course, but they probably aren't comfortable saying "eh, that happens sometimes, sorry". You can probably replace the drive yourself, if you're not totally unhandy. Getting the drive from Newegg or something would be a lot cheaper than getting it from Apple.

In a couple years' time most laptop "hard drives" will be solid state memory (Apple's likely releasing a machine with such a drive next year, and other vendors already sell them) and we can put this era of unreliable storage behind us.

Oh, and @Jaisn, I just got a Macbook Pro from work (it runs Windows Vista really well!) and my DVD drive also sounds like a paper shredder. I assume it's standard. I was really disappointed with the DVD drive after all the slot-loading love. I expect the disc to get grabbed much sooner than it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes hard drives die sooner than they should. I wouldn&#8217;t blame Apple. The support guy&#8217;s talk was BS, of course, but they probably aren&#8217;t comfortable saying &#8220;eh, that happens sometimes, sorry&#8221;. You can probably replace the drive yourself, if you&#8217;re not totally unhandy. Getting the drive from Newegg or something would be a lot cheaper than getting it from Apple.</p>
<p>In a couple years&#8217; time most laptop &#8220;hard drives&#8221; will be solid state memory (Apple&#8217;s likely releasing a machine with such a drive next year, and other vendors already sell them) and we can put this era of unreliable storage behind us.</p>
<p>Oh, and @Jaisn, I just got a Macbook Pro from work (it runs Windows Vista really well!) and my DVD drive also sounds like a paper shredder. I assume it&#8217;s standard. I was really disappointed with the DVD drive after all the slot-loading love. I expect the disc to get grabbed much sooner than it does.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66418</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The apple tech you spoke to is an idiot.

Spinrite has long been a fine product for windows, but the single best hard drive recovery app for MacOS is DiskWarrior from AlSoft.  Al Whipple knows more about drives than anyone I've ever met.  His app recovers more from corrupted drives than any other app I've seen.  It's usually available on the shelf at the apple store.

For replacing the drive itself, see iFixit.com for a step-by-step walkthrough and see if you feel up to doing what it says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The apple tech you spoke to is an idiot.</p>
<p>Spinrite has long been a fine product for windows, but the single best hard drive recovery app for MacOS is DiskWarrior from AlSoft.  Al Whipple knows more about drives than anyone I&#8217;ve ever met.  His app recovers more from corrupted drives than any other app I&#8217;ve seen.  It&#8217;s usually available on the shelf at the apple store.</p>
<p>For replacing the drive itself, see iFixit.com for a step-by-step walkthrough and see if you feel up to doing what it says.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Way</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66409</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condolences.

Doubly so, since your flaw drew the standard anti-Apple trolls with their supremely clever "ZOMG, An Apple Broke? NO WAI!" remarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condolences.</p>
<p>Doubly so, since your flaw drew the standard anti-Apple trolls with their supremely clever &#8220;ZOMG, An Apple Broke? NO WAI!&#8221; remarks.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66408</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're going to get burned now and then, but extended warranties are mostly a waste of money.  Salesmen get a high commission on them so they push them like mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re going to get burned now and then, but extended warranties are mostly a waste of money.  Salesmen get a high commission on them so they push them like mad.</p>
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		<title>By: tde</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66405</link>
		<dc:creator>tde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I bet that in a few weeks you will praise Apple products versus windows clones.

There is something about the Apple cult.  I had one IPod the simply stopped working and its replacement had to be replaced because of the cracked screen problems.  That is a crappy product.  

It seems that the main difference between Apples and Windows clones now is that the owner of the latter know that they are overpriced and unreliable whereas the owners of the former don't.

(P.S. This was written on a MacBook pro.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I bet that in a few weeks you will praise Apple products versus windows clones.</p>
<p>There is something about the Apple cult.  I had one IPod the simply stopped working and its replacement had to be replaced because of the cracked screen problems.  That is a crappy product.  </p>
<p>It seems that the main difference between Apples and Windows clones now is that the owner of the latter know that they are overpriced and unreliable whereas the owners of the former don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>(P.S. This was written on a MacBook pro.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66402</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with many of the above concerning the advantage to trying to replace the drive yourself.  I have a very old Toshiba laptop which has withstood a huge amount of abuse, but finally, the hard drive just died (this was beyond simple "corruption", this was physical damage to the HD surface).  After checking at various repair locations, I was disappointed to find that the cost would have been similar to yours (around $300 for the more reputable sources).  After finding out that I could buy a new HD myself for a maximum of $130 (it's an old model, so it's a rare piece), I decided I would give it a go on my own.  The installation was a piece of cake (literally under 5 minutes to replace it).  Then I just got a techie friend of mine to assist me with reinstalling the necessary drivers and the OS.  I'm not an expert by any means, and the installation was simple.  I'm sure anybody can do it if they just poke around online/in their laptop manual first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of the above concerning the advantage to trying to replace the drive yourself.  I have a very old Toshiba laptop which has withstood a huge amount of abuse, but finally, the hard drive just died (this was beyond simple &#8220;corruption&#8221;, this was physical damage to the HD surface).  After checking at various repair locations, I was disappointed to find that the cost would have been similar to yours (around $300 for the more reputable sources).  After finding out that I could buy a new HD myself for a maximum of $130 (it&#8217;s an old model, so it&#8217;s a rare piece), I decided I would give it a go on my own.  The installation was a piece of cake (literally under 5 minutes to replace it).  Then I just got a techie friend of mine to assist me with reinstalling the necessary drivers and the OS.  I&#8217;m not an expert by any means, and the installation was simple.  I&#8217;m sure anybody can do it if they just poke around online/in their laptop manual first.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Doland</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66400</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you've got a Macbook (and not an iBook), swapping the hard drive is actually a pretty simple procedure. The Apple website even has a service manual with instructions. Then you just need to reinstall from the original OS disks.

You should be able to get a SATA notebook Hard Drive for MUCH less than $289.00.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve got a Macbook (and not an iBook), swapping the hard drive is actually a pretty simple procedure. The Apple website even has a service manual with instructions. Then you just need to reinstall from the original OS disks.</p>
<p>You should be able to get a SATA notebook Hard Drive for MUCH less than $289.00.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66394</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent him a longer e-mail, but 2 quick points.

1)  All drives are g-shock rated to something.  All maxtor laptop drives are rated to 250g for 2ms while operating.  That's something like a 4' fall onto a concrete floor.

2)  the original iPod had a mechanical hard drive in it for storage.

So, it's patently absurd to claim that typing on the computer while having it in your lap is the likely reason the drive went bad.  These drives are designed to work while moving around.

And, nearly $300 for a new drive is obscenely high, even if they do install it, and transfer the data, they must be charging somewhere near $150-$200/hr for the service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent him a longer e-mail, but 2 quick points.</p>
<p>1)  All drives are g-shock rated to something.  All maxtor laptop drives are rated to 250g for 2ms while operating.  That&#8217;s something like a 4&#8242; fall onto a concrete floor.</p>
<p>2)  the original iPod had a mechanical hard drive in it for storage.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s patently absurd to claim that typing on the computer while having it in your lap is the likely reason the drive went bad.  These drives are designed to work while moving around.</p>
<p>And, nearly $300 for a new drive is obscenely high, even if they do install it, and transfer the data, they must be charging somewhere near $150-$200/hr for the service.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66393</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Episiarch:  I wasn't gonna ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Episiarch:  I wasn&#8217;t gonna ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66392</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Service plans are still generally a waste of money. You focus on the one item that breaks and ignore the ones you wasted the money on. It might be reasonable with a laptop, however, since they go through so much wear and tear (and my powerbook burns through batteries likes a fiend).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Service plans are still generally a waste of money. You focus on the one item that breaks and ignore the ones you wasted the money on. It might be reasonable with a laptop, however, since they go through so much wear and tear (and my powerbook burns through batteries likes a fiend).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crystall</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66388</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Crystall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y'know, the Asus Eee as a whole is only a little more expensive than that hard disk replacement...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, the Asus Eee as a whole is only a little more expensive than that hard disk replacement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66385</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That exchange in the Apple store sounded straight outta Dilbert.

Really.

But as someone else stated, data corruption doesn't necessarily equal dead HDD.  A lot of newer laptops (yes, laptops) like the IBM Lenovo T60 my company assigns me have accelerometers in them so that if it's moving too much it lifts the heads from the drive.  I could have sworn Apples from the past few years had that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That exchange in the Apple store sounded straight outta Dilbert.</p>
<p>Really.</p>
<p>But as someone else stated, data corruption doesn&#8217;t necessarily equal dead HDD.  A lot of newer laptops (yes, laptops) like the IBM Lenovo T60 my company assigns me have accelerometers in them so that if it&#8217;s moving too much it lifts the heads from the drive.  I could have sworn Apples from the past few years had that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Leshrac</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66384</link>
		<dc:creator>Leshrac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some common sense to the warranties is always in order. I may have crunch work sessions but I estimate there's no big loss if my computer dies. It's obsolete long before I could wear them out. Like a car, you should get the 10yr/100k if you plan on driving 100k in 5 years but not if you doubt you'll break 50k in 10. It's insurance, plays the odds. Unless your data is precious like Radley's is. Someone should buy him a warranty for x-mas:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some common sense to the warranties is always in order. I may have crunch work sessions but I estimate there&#8217;s no big loss if my computer dies. It&#8217;s obsolete long before I could wear them out. Like a car, you should get the 10yr/100k if you plan on driving 100k in 5 years but not if you doubt you&#8217;ll break 50k in 10. It&#8217;s insurance, plays the odds. Unless your data is precious like Radley&#8217;s is. Someone should buy him a warranty for x-mas:)</p>
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		<title>By: buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66383</link>
		<dc:creator>buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you get for the $300?  Do they roll the os back on and reapply your data?  Or do they just throw a new drive in and a restore cd?  I agree with above poster.  I have NEVER heard corrupt used to mean bad hard drive.  Weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you get for the $300?  Do they roll the os back on and reapply your data?  Or do they just throw a new drive in and a restore cd?  I agree with above poster.  I have NEVER heard corrupt used to mean bad hard drive.  Weird.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/14/ugh-7/#comment-66382</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That article was about extended warranties sold by retailers, not by the manufacturer... ALWAYS get the manufacturer warranty. It covers every stupid little thing (I've gotten cosmetic repairs for my Macbook) and when I had a Dell (which, granted, breaks way more often than a Mac), I got free repairs the cost of which would have totalled about 1.5 times what I paid for the computer, including a free motherboard after I may or may not have spilled coffee on it. Manufacturers always want to fulfill the terms of the warranty and keep you a happy customer, and it costs them little to provide you with the parts they make themselves, unlike the retailers, who have to pay for the parts and so try to avoid providing you with anything until you're ready to sue them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That article was about extended warranties sold by retailers, not by the manufacturer&#8230; ALWAYS get the manufacturer warranty. It covers every stupid little thing (I&#8217;ve gotten cosmetic repairs for my Macbook) and when I had a Dell (which, granted, breaks way more often than a Mac), I got free repairs the cost of which would have totalled about 1.5 times what I paid for the computer, including a free motherboard after I may or may not have spilled coffee on it. Manufacturers always want to fulfill the terms of the warranty and keep you a happy customer, and it costs them little to provide you with the parts they make themselves, unlike the retailers, who have to pay for the parts and so try to avoid providing you with anything until you&#8217;re ready to sue them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep no important data on my laptop that isn't instantly backed up. Use a thumb drive when traveling, network drive while at home. 

$289 to put in a new HD, geeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep no important data on my laptop that isn&#8217;t instantly backed up. Use a thumb drive when traveling, network drive while at home. </p>
<p>$289 to put in a new HD, geeze.</p>
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