Comments on: You’re Not Paying Attention http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/ It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:43:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: TGGP http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66453 TGGP Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:11:22 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66453 Eric S. Raymond claims to be an anarchist, as does Randy Barnett, but since both supported the Iraq war I'll not grant them the label libertarian, leaving aside questions of minarchism vs anarchism (I discovered there might be a third position <a href="http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/a-point-in-the-anarchism-vs-minarchism-debate-i-never-considered/" rel="nofollow">here</a>). Eric S. Raymond claims to be an anarchist, as does Randy Barnett, but since both supported the Iraq war I’ll not grant them the label libertarian, leaving aside questions of minarchism vs anarchism (I discovered there might be a third position here).

]]> By: Les http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66440 Les Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:30:35 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66440 Matt - Oh, sure I know there are anarchist libertarians, but when I think of "prominent libertarians" (which Kit above mentioned), I think of people like Ron Paul, Milton Friedman. If you know of some well-known or "prominent" libertarians who are anarchists, I'd appreciate learning about them. Matt – Oh, sure I know there are anarchist libertarians, but when I think of “prominent libertarians” (which Kit above mentioned), I think of people like Ron Paul, Milton Friedman. If you know of some well-known or “prominent” libertarians who are anarchists, I’d appreciate learning about them.

]]> By: André Kenji http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66412 André Kenji Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:00:50 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66412 In fact, originally libertarian was used as a synonym to anarchist. And mostly outside of the US it´s still used in that way. In fact, originally libertarian was used as a synonym to anarchist. And mostly outside of the US it´s still used in that way.

]]> By: Matt Moore http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66410 Matt Moore Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:01:44 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66410 Les - There are lots of anarchist libertarians. Not many run for office, well, because that just wouldn't make much sense. Les – There are lots of anarchist libertarians. Not many run for office, well, because that just wouldn’t make much sense.

]]> By: Les http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66401 Les Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:48:52 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66401 <i>This typically stems from the fact that the most prominent libertarians are the ones who don’t understand that if the government simply wasn’t there anymore we’d have a free-market utopia and nothing would ever be wrong again (Capital “L” Libertarians, if you will).</i> Which prominent libertarians are for the abolition of the government? This typically stems from the fact that the most prominent libertarians are the ones who don’t understand that if the government simply wasn’t there anymore we’d have a free-market utopia and nothing would ever be wrong again (Capital “L” Libertarians, if you will).

Which prominent libertarians are for the abolition of the government?

]]> By: Walter http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66376 Walter Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:18:19 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66376 Radley, haven't you been more frequently called liberal or left-wing by conservatives? Radley, haven’t you been more frequently called liberal or left-wing by conservatives?

]]> By: Kristen http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66362 Kristen Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:05:30 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66362 Maybe it's the definition of right- and left-wing that gets muddled. To me, right-wing means Fascist (lots of government control, nationalism, etc.). I've always thought of Libertarian as not being on the righ-left "line", but all around, above and below it. That makes it hard for me to define myself, as a Libertarian, as either righ or left. Maybe it’s the definition of right- and left-wing that gets muddled. To me, right-wing means Fascist (lots of government control, nationalism, etc.). I’ve always thought of Libertarian as not being on the righ-left “line”, but all around, above and below it. That makes it hard for me to define myself, as a Libertarian, as either righ or left.

]]> By: CK http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66359 CK Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:17:53 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66359 If only, Mike Vick had been breeding, training and selling those dogs to the government for use against humans by other "humans." He would have been a HERO, almost as much stature as the fireman, the friendly cop on the beat, the DMV clerk or any other government employee/sub-contractor. BUT NO he had to go and use those poor sad poochies for personal gain via athletic endeavours. I suppose the next targets will be Siamese fighting fish, Chinese fighting crickets, Mexican fighting scorpions, Phillipine and Japanese fighting spiders and those fighting kites so popular in India and Pakistan. If only, Mike Vick had been breeding, training and selling those dogs to the government for use against humans by other “humans.”
He would have been a HERO, almost as much stature as the fireman, the friendly cop on the beat, the DMV clerk or any other government employee/sub-contractor. BUT NO he had to go and use those poor sad poochies for personal gain via athletic endeavours. I suppose the next targets will be Siamese fighting fish, Chinese fighting crickets, Mexican fighting scorpions, Phillipine and Japanese fighting spiders and those fighting kites so popular in India and Pakistan.

]]> By: TC http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66350 TC Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:41:31 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66350 I'm constantly amazed at how many people actually learn they are libertarian and will all but slit their own wrists at the discovery. The same would NEVER vote such either. Any wonder why we don't see any real change in our countries politicos? Currently we are a two party govt, but yet the sound bites blend together all too well. Seems we are in reality a single party govt, divided only in a few subjects, which are made out to be the grand canyon to all. The goal of course is to divide and conquer, which they do well. As near as I can tell basically it means, "Dont tread on ME"! EVER! We have and are governed by a constitution, it was well written and had reason for all of it. Follow it! Social issues liberal, yet we know that all things cost REAL money for all! First thing the voters need to do is insure that ALL new blood gets into the power house. As well hoping or insuring that no lawyers are ever put into a position of making law! Conflict of interest seems to come to mind here. Monopoly as well could be entertained, though with some additional effort. I’m constantly amazed at how many people actually learn they are libertarian and will all but slit their own wrists at the discovery. The same would NEVER vote such either. Any wonder why we don’t see any real change in our countries politicos? Currently we are a two party govt, but yet the sound bites blend together all too well. Seems we are in reality a single party govt, divided only in a few subjects, which are made out to be the grand canyon to all. The goal of course is to divide and conquer, which they do well.

As near as I can tell basically it means, “Dont tread on ME”! EVER! We have and are governed by a constitution, it was well written and had reason for all of it. Follow it! Social issues liberal, yet we know that all things cost REAL money for all!

First thing the voters need to do is insure that ALL new blood gets into the power house. As well hoping or insuring that no lawyers are ever put into a position of making law! Conflict of interest seems to come to mind here. Monopoly as well could be entertained, though with some additional effort.

]]> By: Swimmy http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66342 Swimmy Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:08:56 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66342 This is common. In fact, I've seen it argued that it's a trait of evolved human psychology--a reverse of the halo effect, a common cognitive bias. You can argue for civil liberties all day long, but as long as you keep a "government hands off!" point of view, many people are going to see you the enemy, and the enemy is the right wing. This is common. In fact, I’ve seen it argued that it’s a trait of evolved human psychology–a reverse of the halo effect, a common cognitive bias. You can argue for civil liberties all day long, but as long as you keep a “government hands off!” point of view, many people are going to see you the enemy, and the enemy is the right wing.

]]> By: Sky http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66337 Sky Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:11:18 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66337 http://www.roadblock.org/federal/casefed.htm http://www.roadblock.org/federal/casefed.htm

]]> By: Mike Schneider http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66332 Mike Schneider Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:48:09 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66332 Apparently "thirdparty" (who wrote the Kos piece) subscribes to a third party which isn't the libertarians or any pro-liberty party. I shall guess that they insufficiently pleased with the alacrity with which the contemporary Democrats and Republicans are imposing Marxism, and prefer the unrefined ores of the Socialists or Communists. Apparently “thirdparty” (who wrote the Kos piece) subscribes to a third party which isn’t the libertarians or any pro-liberty party. I shall guess that they insufficiently pleased with the alacrity with which the contemporary Democrats and Republicans are imposing Marxism, and prefer the unrefined ores of the Socialists or Communists.

]]> By: Persona non grata http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66325 Persona non grata Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:59:13 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66325 I love labels. I've always found when pundits resort to using labels they've usually run short of facts. I love labels. I’ve always found when pundits resort to using labels they’ve usually run short of facts.

]]> By: wet blanket http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66323 wet blanket Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:14:11 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66323 not only are you right wing, but according to the denialism blog, your work "rivals creationist drivel for sheer stupidity." http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/12/reason_the_ultimate_misnomer.php#more not only are you right wing, but according to the denialism blog, your work “rivals creationist drivel for sheer stupidity.”

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/12/reason_the_ultimate_misnomer.php#more

]]> By: crack http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66320 crack Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:55:09 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66320 Mike, That wasn't Kos. However, there is no reason to let facts get in the way of a good ad hominem attack. Crack Mike,

That wasn’t Kos.

However, there is no reason to let facts get in the way of a good ad hominem attack.

Crack

]]> By: mike http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66319 mike Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:50:52 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66319 Radley should have warned you all, in case you don't normally go to Kos. When you read that site, you should have an umbrella handy to protect yourself from the spittle he creates during his hateful, foaming-at-the-mouth rants. I find reading Kos to be a lot like sitting in the front row at a Gallagher show, except I laugh for different reasons. Radley should have warned you all, in case you don’t normally go to Kos. When you read that site, you should have an umbrella handy to protect yourself from the spittle he creates during his hateful, foaming-at-the-mouth rants. I find reading Kos to be a lot like sitting in the front row at a Gallagher show, except I laugh for different reasons.

]]> By: crack http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66316 crack Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:21:07 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66316 Thanks for proving my point Matt. Thanks for proving my point Matt.

]]> By: Matt Moore http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66315 Matt Moore Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:16:28 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66315 I'd say you're a Socialist, crack, but six of one, a half-dozen of the other... I’d say you’re a Socialist, crack, but six of one, a half-dozen of the other…

]]> By: crack http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66313 crack Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:07:19 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66313 I think you guys are reading too much into this. I think my new ploy to up hits to my blog is to link here and question Radley's libertarian street cred. I've always been a civil libertarian, but the folks at Lew Rockwell would probably think of my as a commie because I think Social Security is a good thing. I think you guys are reading too much into this. I think my new ploy to up hits to my blog is to link here and question Radley’s libertarian street cred.

I’ve always been a civil libertarian, but the folks at Lew Rockwell would probably think of my as a commie because I think Social Security is a good thing.

]]> By: DangerMan http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/comment-page-1/#comment-66312 DangerMan Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:04:52 +0000 http://www.theagitator.com/2007/12/13/youre-not-paying-attention/#comment-66312 That was the first time I'd ever been to DailyKos. *Yawn* That was the first time I’d ever been to DailyKos.

*Yawn*

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