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Abolish the Drinking Age, Ct’d…
Thursday, September 16th, 2004When Eileen Barbour and husband Mark planned a send-off celebration for their high-school son’s departure to serve in the military, somehow alcohol made the list of things to buy.No harm, no foul right? What’s a little innocent drinking by underage youth celebrating the patriotic endeavors of the Barbours’ son?
Oh yeah. It’s illegal.
Mark, who like Eileen pleaded guilty to a Class A misdemeanor for contributing to the delinquency of a minor, must serve at least five days in the Hamilton County Jail as part of a sentence imposed last week. He also must serve 180 days of probation and perform 10 hours of community service work…
…Poor Eileen, who will be forced to spend at least two days in jail, serve 60 days of home detention, spend 180 days on probation, pay $184 in fines and perform 50 hours of community service, also got an even tougher punishment: a court-ordered assignment to write a research paper about why supplying alcohol to teenagers is a bad idea.
The author of this column, by the way, is a twit. He thinks this is a swell idea, and that we should also give homework assignments to people convicted of growing marijuana and “office theft.”
Christ. They were sending their kid off to the military. He’s volunteering to serve his country. In wartime. That means that, you know, he could fucking die.
And we, citizens, we throw his parents in the slammer, and we allow a prudish judge to give them a condescending homework assignment as if they were in the goodammned third grade.
Then this smarmy Poindexter gloats about it in the local rag.
Er, pardon my language. But what the hell is wrong with people?
Preach on brother Balko. I’ve long believed in the “If I can take a bullet for my country, I should be allowed to drink a beer,” attitude. And contributing to the delinquency is a crap charge if its under the supervision of parents. If we, as a people, can’t agree to lower the drinking age on a legal level, then maybe loosen the ties on responsible parents that supervise and protect the children from things like binge drinking, drunk driving, etc. It would at least be a step in the right direction.
Note the plural “teenagers” and in the original article: kegger. This wasn’t just two parents drinking with their child under supervision (hell, my parents were allowing me tastes of alcohol when I was 14). It looks like they were serving it up to buddies - and you can’t tell from this how young or old they were.
As a parent, though, if I found that my underage daughter had been offered a drink as “okay” by another adult without my permission, I’d be wanting more than a term paper assignment.
More info is needed here, but Google News doesn’t have any other data on it.
This is asinine, and in the short term the only fair thing would be to raise the minimum age of enlistment to 21, or lower the drinking age. In any event, the future soldier in question won’t have any problem getting alcohol once he is actually in the service. His buddies will see to that.
This actually points to the larger question of using strict chronological age as a measure of competency. You have as many doddering 80-year-olds plowing into farmer’s markets as you do teens, at least on a per-capita basis. My 30ish cousin has made many better life decisions than my 54-year-old brother.
The point is, who is to judge who is capable of what? I don’t advocate testing everyone for everything they are otherwise allowed to do, be it drinking, owning a gun, driving a car, or even voting. In the strictest libertarian sense, you only do wrong when you violate the freedoms of others to do the same.
Old enough to die for your country, but too young to drink
Radley Balko has a post that points out some of the absurdity the prohibitionists have wrought.
I’m in 100% agreement with Patrick’s comments.
I work with college students every day, and it’s criminal that our laws prevent the teaching of responsible drinking and encourage binge drinking.
If the draft ever comes back, I’d like to see 18 year-olds politely decline service saying “I’m sorry, I’m obviously not responsible enough to go to war, since I can’t yet legally have a beer. I’ll report for duty when I’m 21.”
Would it be too much to hope that she actually does serious research for her court-ordered research paper, and that based on all the available studies and statistics she’s forced to the unavoidable conclusion that supplying alcohol to teenagers isn’t really all that bad after all?
right on man, right on and write on (oh! I got mad pun skills).
Would we prefer a world without rules/laws? A life or a game without rules/laws?
In the movie “Play Misty For Me” there was a scene in which Clint Eastwood and a bartender was playing a board game with no rules, it was a ploy to confuse spectators.
Some laws are nonsensical. In California, it was cheaper to tell a Game Warden that you did not have a fishing license, rather than admitting to having one that was not properly displayed.
Some laws become unfair, unjust, or antiquated. Biblical laws requiring stoning to death for adultery are a prime example.
In the 50’s, I moved from town to town working seasonal resorts. I supplemented my income by playing poker. First question I asked when I sat down to play was a review of the rules.
I’ve traveled all over the world. When I arrive, I look for an American. “What are the rules, what are the laws I must know about to win this game?”
In the Philippines, where I live now, traffic laws are merely suggestions. If you want to be the cause of an accident, come to a stop at an eight sided red stop sign, or hit someone who is driving the wrong way on a one-way street. If I hadn’t learned that when I first arrived, I’d be in jail now.
The first ones who choose to fight the law, or the rules of the game, will lose. Occasionally, they will have the satisfaction of knowing that the law, or the rules have been changed.
But until they are changed, unless you are willing to pay the price, learn the laws, learn the rules, and don’t complain when they are enforced.
Rules and laws define civilization. Chaos results if we all pick and choose those we accept.
And i guess this poor lad was off to fight for, what was it? Freedom?
funny how the french can trust their children with watered down wine with meals, yet don’t want to fight spurious wars, may be there is a connection…
He volunteered, not like he was drafted or anything. I think service men can drink while on base.
If I thought you needed to hear it, I would tell you how correct you are.
Seriously, though, of all the things the military should spend more on, shouldn’t federally-subsidized keggers for new recruits be bumped up the list?
If terminal patients can smoke weed to deal with their pain and suffering, 18 year-olds about to die for their country ought to be allowed all the alcohol they want while they still have a chance?
What kind of “research paper” has a conclusion before the research? This sounds more like a court-ordered op-ed piece. She should sign it “Winston Smith”.
Man, I’ve been waiting for about a year to say this, and finally the opportunity presents itself.
OLD ENOUGH TO DIE IN ‘RAQ
BUT NOT OLD ENOUGH TO DRINK!
What terminal patients are you referring to ashby? Certainly not any in the United States.
The Drinking Age
Some parents of an under-21 soldier threw a party including alcohol for the soldier and his friends. Now they’ve been arrested and charged (via The Agitator). Intake Weekly - When Eileen Barbour and husband Mark planned a send-off celebration for…
They’re nuckin futs
In total agreement with you Radley…the good news is that most people here in Indy don’t read InTake for it’s “enlightening” articles!
18 is the legal drinking age on some military bases.
so why can your commander give you a beer but not your parents?
Mike
I’d just like to respond to the comment made by Mark L up near the top where he said
“As a parent, though, if I found that my underage daughter had been offered a drink…I’d be wanting more than a term paper assignment.”
Mark, you’ve got every right to raise your daughter the way you’d like, and if you think alcohol is evil, thats your business. But that attitude causes alot more harm than good. When I was in college, it was my experience that students that came from the strictest households had the hardest time adjusting to life on their own. They were usually the biggest binge drinkers, and the most likely to start down the path to drug abuse.
I know, I know, not your daughter, right? The head-in-the-sand, everything bad doesn’t exist approach to raising kids in this country is killing us all, one lost freedom at a time. And you know what? It’s also creating a bunch of mal-adjusted whinny adults who think they deserve everything.
I joined the Marines on a delayed entry program when I was 17, and the recruiters were giving us beer. At least they were smart enough to know what we had just signed up for.
Nobody in their right mind would fault PARENTS having a few drinks with their OWN SON before sending him off to duty.
However, the article indicates many teenagers, and more than a drink or two. I would be furious if my child had participated in this without me knowing. I would call the police.
The article mentions nothing of other children’s parental consent or anything else. More information needed.
Nice post and just shows how idiotic the booze laws are in the US. Guy has volunteered for his country and is fighting for it…he should be allowed a drink.
This paper is a worthless rag that tries to pass itself off as “indie,” but it’s owned by Gannett. When INtake first came about, the editor touted the publications as being “by Gen-X, for Gen-X,” and I’m a firm believer that anyone who still uses that tired buzzword is pathetic. Anyway, this guy’s argument reads like a high school paper op-ed and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
capo,
You are sure reading a lot into one comment. I never once mentioned my opinion of alcohol. My point is that it is MY decision when and under what circumstances to introduce my daugther to it - not someone else’s. I think it’s just fine that these parents were drinking with their own child (and pointed out that my parents did the same when I was underage). However, having said that, someone else’s parent better not be offering it **without my consent**. That’s not “stick-your-head-in-the-sand”, that’s called parenting.
Maybe it would make a difference to point out that my daughter is just now 10, so she’s not drinking or making very many other life-decisions anyway
I don’t know of any military bases stateside that allow underage drinking, actually commanders are becoming a lot more strict about that sort of thing lately. However, overseas the on base drinking laws coincide with the laws of the host nations. Some places do indeed allow 18 year olds to drink on base, which is wise, because otherwise they would just be getting plastered off base in a foreign country and very likely getting in trouble.
Didn’t mean to jump on ya like that Mark, your right.
I guess you won’t have to worry about your daughter drinking at anyones house for a few more years
Cristina; you’re right. On base 21 is the drinking age (at least in the navy). When we travel to foreign countries, the host nation rules apply.
If someone doesn’t want their kids drinking with adults, don’t let them. Tell them not to drink with other adults.
If they disobey you, that’s a problem solely between you and your kid. Other parents shouldn’t have to enforce your rules.
And the irony is that as soon as he has the uniform on he can go to any enlisted club in the US or abroad and drink with perfect impunity.
That judge should just go to hell.
Scorpio
Eccentricity
Other parents shouldn’t have to enforce your rules.
Most parents do, though, because that’s common courtesy.
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